Topic: If you support the war, you don't support a soldier.
kfab's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:12 PM
Well as a mom of a son who fought for your freedom to speak you mind I support our men and boys 100% there is no other choice! I can't believe that you attack the same people who fight to give some of you the rights to sound like idiots sorry just my thoughts. But to have to leave your family and all you love so people can downgrade you sorry can't let that pass.:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Chazster's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:13 PM



let me ask all you pro war people why we're in Iraq??? Terrorists didn't come from there!!! You all could get your facts straight


Saddam was in Iraq, he supported terrorist attacks by paying the families of suicide bombers. We got rid of Saddam, now we have to help them establish a stable government so that terrorists or other rogue groups don't and try to take over.


And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you cheap...lol The people of this country are so dam brainwashed it is not even funny. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, he may have been a crummy leader in his country but if we went around removing crummy leaders we would never rest. And we would have to attack ourselves cause our leader sucks.

I never said he had anything to do with 9/11. I said terrorism. You can be a terrorist and have nothing to do with 9/11. I would make sure i comprehended things before I speak on them, especially if I planned on insulting the writer.

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Wed 02/20/08 04:13 PM
"i'm fighting for your freedom of speech, now shut your face!!!"


your saying that to a man who put his life on the line so you can have the freedom of speech and this is how you thank him?...disgusting....

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:13 PM
i forgot to say this...

it's a completely false statement to say that iraq had much to do with terrorist. saddam would have had them killed, he didn't put up with that crap

Chazster's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:16 PM


I dont really like it but i still support it for the simple reason they came over here to our country and blew up our buildings killing lots of innocent people who did not deserve to die. Oh and Obama said if he makes president he is pulling our troops out and bringing them home. If he does that it will leave the US open for anyone to come over here do the same thing this time it could be our schools or whatever else they decide to blow up here.


iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, not a thing

This country dosnt have the stomache for war anymore...Have we been attacked on our soil since 9-11?..Do you think its a coincidence or do you think its because our troops have crippled al Quada s efforts to inflict terror? Typical liberal BS..All show , no go.. Easy to be critical from outside the fencedrinker ..I respect your opinion thoughflowerforyou


we never would have been attacked had scores of people actually done their jobs. from gov employees to airport personel

Laughable...Sell that to Mccain ..our next President...You liberals seem to forget that we are a warring nation...Everything this country has gotten or will get has been gained on the backs of our fighting men... So grab a double latte at your nearest Starbucks and hug a tree, but before you do , hug a vet and thank him...drinker


so...

"i'm fighting for your freedom of speech, now shut your face!!!"

great message

We have not got attacked again because of the increase in our homeland security, not up to par yet but it is better than pre 9/11. How do you think that us being over there stops attacks here??? It don't. Iraq was not the homeland for terrorists, although the snow job you got from shrub would make you think that, it is not true. The terrorist who did 9/11 were not from Iraq, bin laden was not and will not be in Iraq, Saddam has not attacked us on our soil, etc.... SO THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING IN IRAQ??? WMD??? YOU KNOW THAT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE JOKE WE NEVER LIVE DOWN.

WHERE THE HELL IS THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11??????!!!!!!!!


and as i said, had people been doing their jobs... had even our president not dismissed threats...


I question why we originally invaded Iraq. What do you guys think would happen if we just pulled out right now? Honestly though. And once again, i know pretty much everyone here supports the troops... I guess im just trying to get people to think ahead a little more. Thinking ahead may have prevented this whole war.



Invasion was needed...if not at the time it happened it would have happened at a later date..it was inevitable..

to pull out now they terrorists would be available for targets around the world. The terrorists would be viewing the pull out as a victory as they would have if Bush chose not to invade and brought the troops back from Kuwait. The terrorists would use the occasion to inspire more terrorists since they defeated the Us.


yes, we do need to be there. but we only need to be there because we've destabalized the country and could bring the whole region down.


IF OUR SOLDIES AND OUR PRESIDENT BELEIVE IT'S RIGHT, THEN I'M BEHIND TTHEM 100%.


yay for blindly following a leader who's lied to you more times than a bear ****s in the woods

This is not true, us being in Iraq is not "eliminating the world of terrorists" You have been fooled by the illustrious shrub. The terrorist who struck us on our home soil were not from Iraq, they were not headed by Saddam, they don't care about Iraq, only the shrub cared about Iraq, why, his personal agenda, that is why, shrub could care less about you.

Where is the perpetrator of 9/11????? This is the question of the century for us Americans who have suffered due to bin laden. Where is he, why have we not been vindicated for 9/11!!!????


well... it is true in a way. we are killing terrorist by being over in iraq. our presence has acted like a magnet to them. not only that, we've turned citizens into enemies.

but to say we're fighting them there so they don't come here, that's a half truth at best.




As for the people who think the leaders are crazy radicals if that were true the Congress controlled by the Democrats could and would have done something to stop Bush..those who claim that Bush is crazy are looking at from their point of view...and who knows if they took their meds that day...



our congress should show some backbone and not put up with this crap. but they won't. they're better than they were then. after 9/11 you too were a terrorist if you said anything negative about the administration. either you're with us, or you're with them!


Actually, they can do their so called jobs now because of the Patriot Act that everyone cries about. It allows them to investigate things they would normally need a warrant for but don't have enough evidence to get one. Helped keep the Brooklyn bridge from being blown up.

kfab's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:17 PM
Northrn I thank you and all the others who fight for our freedom. I thank you all from the bottom of my being for my freedom THANK YOU ALL:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Chazster's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:18 PM

i forgot to say this...

it's a completely false statement to say that iraq had much to do with terrorist. saddam would have had them killed, he didn't put up with that crap


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml

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Wed 02/20/08 04:24 PM
Actually, they can do their so called jobs now because of the Patriot Act that everyone cries about. It allows them to investigate things they would normally need a warrant for but don't have enough evidence to get one. Helped keep the Brooklyn bridge from being blown up.


the patriot act is a gross over reach. there are 24hr judges, there's no need for warrantless searches or taps.

and by taking this stance, i'm guessing you're not educated on the 9/11 commision report

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:26 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml


and tell me, what did he do to help them prior?

Chazster's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:27 PM
prior to what?

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Wed 02/20/08 04:29 PM
Anyone who harbors terrorists, funds them, and aids them in any way was involved in 9/11 as far as I'm concerned. Just like buying illegal drugs is supporting the drug lords and their ability to control Mexico and other South American countries and kill many innocents.

Saddam gave asylum to Abu Abbas, who killed an American on the Achille Lauro in 1985. His organization was also given an office in Iraq, thanks to the Saddam government. Of course the man had renounced terrorism long ago though...riiight. In 2004 he died of natural causes in Iraq (lol sure, we probably offed him). Saddam had also given assylum to numerous other terrorists, including Ramzi Yousef, one of the men behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. - http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040310/news_1n10abbas.html

Oh yes, look up AHMED HIKMAT SHAKIR

Terrorist camps were found all over Iraq after the invasion, the UN seemed to have no concern about them before even though they knew they were in FULL operation. These campes were mostly PKK camps, but there were others not linked to the PKK as well.

Saddam also often paid the amount of $20,000 to the families of sucide bombers that blew themselves up in Israel and the Palestinian territories.

The result of 9/11 was not just to get those directly linked to the attacks, but also those who fund, support, and are planning terrorism. We sat back for far too long to only respond after being hit, it was stupid to do such a thing and thus we went on the offensive. Many haven't heard of all the successes, not even close to them, but we have greatly disrupted money funneling and major terrorist operations throughout the world with the cooperation of the world taking a very proactive stance.

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:29 PM

prior to what?


...to..them flying into our buildings and such?

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:30 PM

Anyone who harbors terrorists, funds them, and aids them in any way was involved in 9/11 as far as I'm concerned. Just like buying illegal drugs is supporting the drug lords and their ability to control Mexico and other South American countries and kill many innocents.

Saddam gave asylum to Abu Abbas, who killed an American on the Achille Lauro in 1985. His organization was also given an office in Iraq, thanks to the Saddam government. Of course the man had renounced terrorism long ago though...riiight. In 2004 he died of natural causes in Iraq (lol sure, we probably offed him). Saddam had also given assylum to numerous other terrorists, including Ramzi Yousef, one of the men behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. - http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040310/news_1n10abbas.html

Oh yes, look up AHMED HIKMAT SHAKIR

Terrorist camps were found all over Iraq after the invasion, the UN seemed to have no concern about them before even though they knew they were in FULL operation. These campes were mostly PKK camps, but there were others not linked to the PKK as well.

Saddam also often paid the amount of $20,000 to the families of sucide bombers that blew themselves up in Israel and the Palestinian territories.

The result of 9/11 was not just to get those directly linked to the attacks, but also those who fund, support, and are planning terrorism. We sat back for far too long to only respond after being hit, it was stupid to do such a thing and thus we went on the offensive. Many haven't heard of all the successes, not even close to them, but we have greatly disrupted money funneling and major terrorist operations throughout the world with the cooperation of the world taking a very proactive stance.


you know... on more than one occasion, our own government funded them and others

Chazster's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:32 PM
Edited by Chazster on Wed 02/20/08 04:37 PM
Whats that have to do with 9/11. Its a war on terror, not just on those responsible for 9/11. We didn't invade iraq until 2003 and that article was in 2002.

"During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities. "

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/


http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:37 PM

Whats that have to do with 9/11. Its a war on terror, not just on those responsible for 9/11. We didn't invade iraq until 2003 and that article was in 2002.


the war on terror..yeah ok. there will almost always be terrorists. especially if we continue with this same foreign policy.

and btw, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. it's all perspective based, something that it seems our leaders neglect to even try to understand

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Wed 02/20/08 04:38 PM


Anyone who harbors terrorists, funds them, and aids them in any way was involved in 9/11 as far as I'm concerned. Just like buying illegal drugs is supporting the drug lords and their ability to control Mexico and other South American countries and kill many innocents.

Saddam gave asylum to Abu Abbas, who killed an American on the Achille Lauro in 1985. His organization was also given an office in Iraq, thanks to the Saddam government. Of course the man had renounced terrorism long ago though...riiight. In 2004 he died of natural causes in Iraq (lol sure, we probably offed him). Saddam had also given assylum to numerous other terrorists, including Ramzi Yousef, one of the men behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. - http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040310/news_1n10abbas.html

Oh yes, look up AHMED HIKMAT SHAKIR

Terrorist camps were found all over Iraq after the invasion, the UN seemed to have no concern about them before even though they knew they were in FULL operation. These campes were mostly PKK camps, but there were others not linked to the PKK as well.

Saddam also often paid the amount of $20,000 to the families of sucide bombers that blew themselves up in Israel and the Palestinian territories.

The result of 9/11 was not just to get those directly linked to the attacks, but also those who fund, support, and are planning terrorism. We sat back for far too long to only respond after being hit, it was stupid to do such a thing and thus we went on the offensive. Many haven't heard of all the successes, not even close to them, but we have greatly disrupted money funneling and major terrorist operations throughout the world with the cooperation of the world taking a very proactive stance.


you know... on more than one occasion, our own government funded them and others


That is your weak response to facts? Back your statement up.

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Wed 02/20/08 04:39 PM
Toasted is really starting to reach and flop around for something to get on stable ground. Normal rhetoric for one who has nothing worthwhile to add but rhetoric.

spqr's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:40 PM
you are SO NAIVE.
Stop the freedom crap..no one fights for freedom, wars are fought for political interests and economic expansion. Period.

You choose to be a soldier and you obey your political leaders, who obey their very wealthy lobbies. Non one cares avout your freedom ever.

Saddam was the least of out problem, Iraq was probably the easiest target on the list for a long term position of economic control in the middle east, to control Iran, the flow of oil and protect Israel. Freedom and justice have NOTHING to do with it.

And it's not about being left or righ is about using that mass that's sitting bethween your ears.

wake up!



toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:41 PM
That is your weak response to facts? Back your statement up.


i thought it was commonly known that we trained and armed them

and whatever about you bud, i'm not wasting time on this. if you don't know that we often fund terrorist groups to fulfill our own needs, then i wouldn't even start to think i could change your opinion

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 02/20/08 04:43 PM

Toasted is really starting to reach and flop around for something to get on stable ground. Normal rhetoric for one who has nothing worthwhile to add but rhetoric.


if you're so right, why feel the need to take that stance and make that point?

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