"Chazster" in Christianity they are only two options...spend an eternity under the rule of a God or spend an eternity buring in hell...so what's the point of threatening people that they will spend an eternity burning in hell if this is not an indication that there is existence after death...so the point is that you didn't comprehend the post Abracadabra wrote when you tried to do your "spin doctoring" on the word "eternal"

"imageorgiagirl" ..haven't you even heard of the angel of death..Uriel ...or the destroying angels that killed for God...remember when all of the egyptians first borns were killed...well an angel did the deed ..I used angels so you can't blame the killing on crazy Man because sunday school seems to leave out those stories that angels were little more than hitmen for God...

also God said to stone to death those that worship other Gods other than himself...which includes mothers fathers sons daughters friends or whatever...I'm amaze you don't know these things

Moses had told ramses to be careful what he chose, for it would be turned against him. There are those who could argue, he was warned, he chose not to believe, so the death sentence of the first born of Egypt could fall back on ramses head due to disbelieve in the warning. You are correct that an angel carried out the actual death though.

same thing happenned on "Ghost Busters" when that wood nypmh told them to choose the way they wish to die and then the Stay Puft Mashmallow Man showed up

What happened to the saying "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."

I wish xtians would follow the New Testament (you know, the real teachings of Christ) instead of the old school Torah stuff more often.

Jesus was supposed to have died for OUR sins. OUR, meaning all of us. He didn't give free reign to the "real" xtians to judge anyone else on the way they are living.

there's a loophole in that saying...since Jesus supposely died for everyone's sins then everyone can cast the first stone




Christian don't follow The Old Testament... Jesus was used to lead believers away from God's word that was set forth in The Old Testament and proclaim himself as God





according to the bible God gave people permission to judge others by stoning those that worshipped other Gods

I just got through rereading Exodus 11:1 where it talks about the firstborn of the Egyptians being killed because Pharoh wouldn't release the children of Isreal. It says nothing about an angel carrying this out. Uriel the angel isn't in the bible at all... it is a made up name given by man to fantasize the supposed grim reaper.

There is no ramses in the bible either...sorry

Is there a pharaoh (Oh drat, now I have to go find out how to spell it)?

Oh and the reason God did this is because in Exodus1 the pharoah had ordered all firstborn of Isreal to be murdered.

no problem

Book of Enoch lists some of the angels, but considers Uriel a watcher in chapter 20. A friend found an internet copy of this book for me because I had read somewhere that Jesus read it a lot and I wanted to know what it contained.

Funches the only options are living until you die and living after you die unless you are still alive when Christ returns… and if you are you will suddenly be transformed back into a spirit without death. Remember I didn’t have religion when I died. I was still alive after my death. Abra is wrong to suggest that if you don’t believe in Jesus you will simply die.

You still have to be judged by The Creator God. You can not convince me that it is all just BS. You can twist it or spin it, fight it or embrace it but the truth is the truth. My church teaches the bible verse by verse and I know it very well. The only thing you have to fear is not accepting the truth.

You have nothing to fear from God unless you are not living right. If you aren’t it is not too late to change. The only sin that is unforgivable is blasphemy and it (blasphemy) can only happen after Christ returns and fortunately not before then as some might lead you to believe. No one alive in the flesh has committed the unforgivable sin. You can be forgiven for any sin if you truly want to be.

You just like giving chazster a hard time but he knows what he is talking about. Most of the stuff he tells you about Science is proven to be true.

Oops! Triple post My kitty cat likes to walk on my keyboard...

The Book of Enoch is a book written between the Old and New Testaments. It is not considered to be an inspired book. Probable date of writing was between 150-80 B.C. Copies of the Book of Enoch have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls. If this date is accurate, obviously the Book of Enoch was not written by the real Enoch who lived before the flood.

What books are inspired by God and what books are not. There are many other Jewish writings from this time period which are like the book of Enoch, such as the books of Maccabees, The Wisdom of Solomon, Judith, Tobit, etc. These books give supposed prophesies, visions, and history of the Jewish people between the Testaments. Protestants usually call these books the Apocrypha (Greek, apokruphos = "hidden") and do not consider them inspired writings.

However, it's not just Protestants that think the book of Enoch is suspect. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't consider the book inspired either. The Roman church does include books in their Bible that Protestants don't, but Enoch is not one of them.

Through the years some translations of the Bible have included the Book of Enoch and other Jewish works; other translations have not. The Douay version of the Bible was one of those translations that included parts of the Apocrypha and also in this case, the Book of Enoch. Only three angels, Gabriel, Michael and Raphael, are mentioned by name in the scriptures.

well "imageorgiagirl" then explain who killed the Egyptians's first born...I always heard God never do the dirty work...so if it wasn't Man or angels then it had to be God that killed all those children

Funches, according to my Bible, God did do it....

Exodus 12:12 -- For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment; I am the Lord.

Exodus 12:29 -- And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on the throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

I guess an argument could be made that you can't rule out an intermediary -- much like people saying "Bush invaded Iraq" -- of course, it wasn't Bush who did the actual invading, he was just behind it -- but it sounds like premeditated murder to me....