"Chazster" I guess you will keep resorting to not telling the truth and keep using the excuse of what you never claimed ..so read the post below as to what I asked of you to provide



and then you name Dark Matter..Dark Matter is a theory..a theory is an assumption..so unless it is proven to be fact a theory or Dark Matter has not yet been prove to exist beyond the mind or delusion ...now stop playing games "Chaster"

Again I never claimed it existed. You said exists beyond the mind which I interpreted as beyond an idea. There is physical evidence that supports that there is more matter in solar systems than we can see. That evidence is outside the mind. I may have misinterpreted what you were saying, but that is they way I saw it.

How about we resort to something more simplistic. Electrons, to my knowledge we have never seen them and we still do not fully understand them (such as their movement etc..see heisenberg uncertainty principle) Even if I am wrong about being able to view them they were first theorized around 1876 and that technology did not exist then. Maybe some of those things you say don't exist actually do, but we don't have the technology to understand or prove them yet.

you did claim it exist...I asked for something that exist and you say Dark Matter ..




"Chazster"...an "idea" unless proven to be fact doesn't exist beyond the mind..that is called belief or theory ..

you sure do have a habit of claiming that you mis-interpet posts so you don't have to take responsibility for what you post ..I guess it comes in handy when spin doctoring

I haven't read the rest of the thread but thought I'd reply to the first (possibly only?) response to my post since it was such a....good?....reply.

Where did you come up with this? This explanation is total BS. JC was trying to explain that NO ONE is without sin, therefore judgement is something that is reserved only for god. Since you have sinned you have no right to judge me for my sins. It's very clear-cut, unlike many other parts of the bible. If you believe otherwise I have serious doubts about your skills of comprehension.


Then why do so many xtians quote the whole "eye for an eye" thing, claim to be against gay marriage, bellow for the annihilation of anything that doesn't follow the "old law"?IF they were following only the teachings of christ, which is what is known as the new testament, they would be preaching a lot more tolerance.


But that was only according to old testament law. What happened to your statement that christians don't follow the old testament? JC was supposed to have been the lamb that saved all from sin and the punishment carried out by man for that sin. Am I wrong?

Wait a minute....after reading your response stating that Jesus was used to lure people away from god's word....are you Jewish? I have no problem with whatever religion you are but if you're Jewish it kind of makes my arguing the finer points of christianity impossible. You don't believe it so you'll never see the logic behind my arguments (same goes for me regarding the Jewish religion).

No, a scientific theory is as close to absolute fact as you can get. There's no way to prove it "right" because science is in the business of proving everything wrong, unlike religion, which is in the business of proving all their hair-brained ideas right (with the argument of "Since I can't figure it out, god musta dun(sic) it.").

Back to theory, the wording was changed to "theory" from "law" because our knowledge is always in flux. Our (well, anyone with an open mind, that is) understanding of things is always changing based on observable, testable events; not crackpot ideas about a big bearded dude in the sky.

Do you think that gravity isn't real because it's "only" a theory? What about germ theory?

Jesus Christ, don't they use text books in schools anymore?

What? Like the belief in a god?

Well If you would of looked at the scripture....

About midnight I am going out into the midst of Egypt, and all the first born in the land of Egypt shall die.

I am going out....is referring to God.......

And God is a loving God.....but worship any other and pay the price. Pharoh was given chance after chance.......to believe in the God Moses spoke of he chose to not listen....and therefore the above is the result. If it is stated clearly to not worship any other gods.....then by golly there is no room for interpretation. And as then even now.....people are given the choice to choose.....So choose wisely for the consequences of your choices will be yours.

"DavidF" scientific theory is called scientific theory because if can't be prove to be anything beyond what it is...scientific theory...

well feralcatlady God is such a loving God that he killed all the first born innocent children ..like I said the point I'm trying to make is that God kill children and believers consider this to be an act of good

Actually, theories and laws are two different things.

"The laws of science are various established scientific laws, or physical laws as they are sometimes called, that are considered universal and invariable facts of the physical world. Laws of science may, however, be disproved if new facts or evidence arise to contradict them. A "law" differs from hypotheses, theories, postulates, principles, etc., in that a law is an analytic statement, usually with an empirically determined constant. A theory may contain a set of laws, or a theory may be implied from an empirically determined law."

"A scientific law concerns the physical or social world. It therefore must have empirical content and consequently be capable of testing and potentially of disproof. Analytic statements that are true or false by logic alone are not scientific laws, though may feature as part of scientific theories.

The concept of a scientific law is closely related to the concept of a scientific theory. A scientific law attempts to describe an observation in nature while a scientific theory attempts to explain it."

Yes it is.......Does God like to teach lessons in this way.....No He would rather people would listen and live as he intended us to live. And just like Christ who was tempted over and over by satan.......but did not go there....but us everyday we sin and everyday He forgives....and if you would like to say what he did to the first born of all egypt was cruel....then so be it....But it was necessary for God to show who he was....And in the end egypts Pharoah... LET HIS PEOPLE GO.......God's Chosen People

Why does he have a "Chosen people"? No feral, I'm not being a smart ass here, seriously why does he have a chosen people and if you're not Jewish, doesn't that leave ya out in the desert from being "chosen". What attracted him to that specific people, does he prefer the downtrodden and oppressed? This isn't reading to sound very nice. I'm just curious. How long were the Hebrews in slavery? Why did he keep hardening Pharoah's heart if he wanted the people let go in the first place. Seems like a lot of self-argument going on there. Let 'em go, NO DON'T LET 'EM GO, let 'em go, Oh for Ra's sake, get thy butts outta my country cause my chariot horses need a good romp and a bath. Wander, wander, wander, follow the faith, people get cranky, God gets annoyed with people, bombs em with bread and birds cause Moses talks God outta killin the people for being whiny hinies. Why so much flippin drama. Where are the sons of Abraham now? Does God still have chosen people or did Jesus change that? Last, why did they spread that bible out the way they did, was chronological entry not heard of. Read this section, then bounce to this section if ya wanna stay on the same story line, whoop now lets bounce over here. Tolkin's Hobbit and Lord of the Ring series was pretty much the same story and it bounced around between characters but it was a lot easier to follow than the bible is. Okay, I'm done with my how come, why fors moment. Have a great morning.....

kisses wench..........

Because of the Line of David......This is the direct line of God including Jesus....Now I could write out for you the complete line....and it's long.....But it's basically the Genealogy From Abraham to Christ.......Which also included all the decendants of such......Now when Christ came and he gave the gentiles through no more need of the old mosiac law......For Christ took the need for that away......Even though still seen today such as with Catholics. He (God) is not necessarily attracted for any other reason that these are the decendants of God...and therefore his chosen people. And then you have for example what happen in Egypt when God through Moses also decendant put the plagues on Egypt because Pharoah would not listen to Moses and preferred to worship his false idols.....and I am sure you know the rest.

The Hebrews were slaves for over 400 years......And it was Pharoah who heart was hardened....by pharoah and his stuborness. Remember Moses grew up with Pharoah he was his brother so when Moses came back and Pharoah would not listen.....Of course Moses wanted him too.....But Pharoah wanted to continue to pray to false idols.....And 10 plagues it took and still he would not listen and his heart was hardened....Until his son was taken....and then he believed....not enough to take him to his knees for God...But enough to Let God's people go. And even when he did.....he tried to have them killed anyway.......and God took care of them by waiting for his people to cross and then closing the parted sea which kills all of Pharoah's people.......You don't mess with God......ever. Oh there still around....there are always decendants throughout time. The Bible is not as complex as some think.....But all the other scriptural references are for a reason.....You can for example look in the Old Testament and see the for-telling of Jesus Christ long long before he actually came. And yes alot the same but also alot backing up prophecy and/or others very important text.

For me I would never compare the Bible to anything....expecially a fiction.......

And you know I heart ya wench.........All in love my friend.....all in love.

Thanks a lot, funches, now I can't get Tina Turner outta my head with her second hand emotion. Seems to me Love and God both get blamed a lot for human short comings and flat meanness.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, feral, I know - its your thing ----- do what ya gotta do......Oh, point of interest, I have Jesus's lineage in word from another thread where we were tracing the tree and figuring out exactly what stump that root actually sprouted from. The interesting thing about that, Jesus asked the pharisees about that very same thang. Seems to me, he questioned whether he was really the one spoken of or not too.

Yep. Mea culpa. I used a bad explanation. That's nothing new for me. I tend to get a bit frustrated when someone dismisses theories as "only ideas" and usually forget to explain things properly.

From what I have seen, and what I think I meant by "changed", is that most people (scientists) try to stay away from describing something as a law to lay-people because law seems like such an inflexible term...the argument then would be "Well, if this is a law, then why has it been changed so many times to fit the evidence?" Of course theories are "only ideas" but they're ideas backed up by evidence. Of course they're always open to revision. That's the beauty of science and the thing that anti-science religious folks have so much trouble understanding. Just because something isn't absolute doesn't mean it's wrong.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna back off from the science vs. religion stuff from here on out. Too frustrating for me.

Cheers (and thanks for the correction),
David

Not sure where you get info....But trust me Jesus knew exactly who he was......

too much to read to catch up .. I am lazy today but Happy Day everyone it is Ash Wednesday and a good day to be thinking about things

Believers in God do not condone killing innocent children nor participate in anything of the sort. It would be wrong for any human to take another’s life without acceptable justification but God taking souls to the other dimension is not an evil act. God owns all souls period and taking them out of the flesh and into spirit is something he does. He decides what to do with his creation not us.

Living in the flesh is only a short-lived finite deal for us all. For all we know he saved them from a flesh life of misery or an eternity of damnation. You’re just trying to pick out reasons to label God as unloving because he takes souls to the spirit world. He has the right to do with us all whatever he chooses quite frankly.

God had his reasons to do what he did and if you choose to overlook them and just blame him for killing people instead you miss the whole point of the story anyway. God is a loving God and the creator of all souls. He is and always has been. He loves us and created us all. Fight it or embrace it.

God is and always was. He gives us eternal life and that is an awesome gift. He allows us to defeat death. The other dimension is an awesome place. Imagine being able to see those you love that have died once again. Imagine being able to see the flesh world and the spirit world all at once. Wow! Imagine being able to see God’s light and being in the presence of the Creator of life in all his awe and glory. Imagine realizing you survived your own death. The spirit world exists right here with us even if we can’t see it in the flesh.

If you think this world of flesh is all that there is for us and that it is just over when you die and that is it…that is truly sad. I can assure you that it is not true. I can not however force you to believe me regardless of whether I want you to or not. I personally would like everyone to be saved from death. I can tell you what happened to me when I visited the other side. It was not a dream if anything it was more real than anything else in this whole wide world.

You might even recall me telling you this on the day that you find out it is the truth. I don’t know. I don’t think that people all over the world that have had a death experience just got together somehow and made up similar stories. I feel it is important for me to tell others what I know and what I’ve seen. It may help someone confirm their beliefs. I do not know a lot of things but this I know.

Life after death is real. God is real. God created us and he loves us all. He wants to save the world. He wants us all to be happy and to love him as much as he loves us. Why would he create us and give us this awesome place if he didn’t? It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense. When Christ returns all will acknowledge him. There will be no doubt at that point by anyone.

Blessed are those who believe in the unseen God for one day he shall be seen by the entire world by both the good and bad.

Ok funches



Where are you? I am getting worried... Hope you are good. I am not going to preach to you today. Just want to make sure you are ok. Hope I didn't drive you crazy.