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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended |
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  Funches will you be my Valentine 
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Funches will you be my Valentine only if you remove from your lips the devil's paint ...funches 3:16 |
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Edited by
Chazster
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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended Yes it does, but we were talking about the ones that were not eternal weren't we(in a hypothetical since if people that didnt believe in Jesus didn't have eternal life). |
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Funches will you be my Valentine only if you remove from your lips the devil's paint ...funches 3:16 Debbie Psalm 1........I think not......young funch-meister. |
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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended Yes it does, but we were talking about the ones that were not eternal weren't we(in a hypothetical since if people that didnt believe in Jesus didn't have eternal life). And that you can take to the bank.....
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hmmmm, funches 3:16 is mighty crowded, everything seems to fall under that number. Numerology wise it ends up being a 1; there's a shocker.
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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended Yes it does, but we were talking about the ones that were not eternal weren't we(in a hypothetical since if people that didnt believe in Jesus didn't have eternal life). "Chazster" ...when dealing in religious dogma people supposely die and have eternal existence afterwards not eternal life...so therefore it wasn't hypothetical.... your "spin doctoring" on the word "eternal" was your attempt to justify your religious views to save your faith ... |
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Funches will you be my Valentine only if you remove from your lips the devil's paint ...funches 3:16 Debbie Psalm 1........I think not......young funch-meister. ahhh feralcatlady today I notice that you have removed the devil heathenous disguise ..you must have seen the light my child |
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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended Yes it does, but we were talking about the ones that were not eternal weren't we(in a hypothetical since if people that didnt believe in Jesus didn't have eternal life). And that you can take to the bank..... well feralcatlady when you take it to the bank...make sure "Chazster" gives you cash and not a personal check |
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hmmmm, funches 3:16 is mighty crowded, everything seems to fall under that number. Numerology wise it ends up being a 1; there's a shocker. "feisty wench" you just perfectly describe what a soul may be..the combination of everything that is you compose into that one single thought that makes you you ...and now you understand why I always use the funches 3:16..it's represent the combination of my one single thought ....very observate on your part...I was wondering who would be the first to spot it |
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I know you didn't call me delusional directly. I can understand how you arrived at that general conclusion though. God seems to be just an imaginary friend to some I am sure. And to answer the question you asked. No I wouldn't kill anyone unless they were threatening to kill me or someone helpless in front of me. I am not even sure if I could do it then. I've had a gun held on my neck before and didn't kill… or even kick butt then for the record. I can't say that I know what God's voice sounds like. I have never heard his voice literally that I know of. He didn't talk to me when I died or at any other time that I know of either. I know there are people who believe he talks to them. Maybe he does. I don't know... and that "imageorgiagirl" is what I"m talking about..that there are those that claim to hear the voice of God and the religion teaches one to follow God without question and have faith that what one is doing is the will of God and the bible teaches one to follow all the laws set forth by God including stoning unruly children to death plus a number of other little horrors God requires one to follow and that is what I meant by the more religious the person are the more delusional they would act or appear and that only a psychotic sociaopathic serial killer could ever follow all that God commanded and that they rest will burn in hell  Stoning unruly children to death? When? Where? Hmm! Who does that? God?  Sounds like an extreme punishment to me.  I thought the stoning was saved for the adults who were found out as adulterers, thieves and such... done because of primitive peoples cultures and their beliefs not God. Some people are just ignorant in their ideas of what God wanted them to do so that is part of why he sent Jesus to the world. To teach us how to act and relate to him. Nobody is perfect and everyone is different.  Some are scarier than others for sure. Basically all God asks us to do is follow the 10 commandments, (they are not all that hard they are also forgivable under conditions) love one another and him. He doesn’t ask us to kill people, abuse or stone them. His word is meant to give hope not scare people. I know some teach that way. Anyone that says you are going to Hell couldn’t possibly know, and are in the wrong themselves. Jesus teaches he without sin cast the first stone… which leaves a lot of people out of being worthy to do it when it comes down to judging people for their supposed sins. I didn’t say that stops them from doing it though. That is probably a very good example of sin in the self righteous or ignorant. They just like to think they are holier than thou is all or are disregarding or possibly not realizing they have no right to judge others like that. It is not a good way to be for sure. I can be a smart aleck biatch sometimes with grandiose fantasies…but no I’m not completely psycho… |
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I know you didn't call me delusional directly. I can understand how you arrived at that general conclusion though. God seems to be just an imaginary friend to some I am sure. And to answer the question you asked. No I wouldn't kill anyone unless they were threatening to kill me or someone helpless in front of me. I am not even sure if I could do it then. I've had a gun held on my neck before and didn't kill… or even kick butt then for the record. I can't say that I know what God's voice sounds like. I have never heard his voice literally that I know of. He didn't talk to me when I died or at any other time that I know of either. I know there are people who believe he talks to them. Maybe he does. I don't know... and that "imageorgiagirl" is what I"m talking about..that there are those that claim to hear the voice of God and the religion teaches one to follow God without question and have faith that what one is doing is the will of God and the bible teaches one to follow all the laws set forth by God including stoning unruly children to death plus a number of other little horrors God requires one to follow and that is what I meant by the more religious the person are the more delusional they would act or appear and that only a psychotic sociaopathic serial killer could ever follow all that God commanded and that they rest will burn in hell Stoning unruly children to death? When? Where? Hmm! Who does that? God? Sounds like an extreme punishment to me. I thought the stoning was saved for the adults who were found out as adulterers, thieves and such... done because of primitive peoples cultures and their beliefs not God. Some people are just ignorant in their ideas of what God wanted them to do so that is part of why he sent Jesus to the world. To teach us how to act and relate to him. Nobody is perfect and everyone is different. Some are scarier than others for sure. Basically all God asks us to do is follow the 10 commandments, (they are not all that hard they are also forgivable under conditions) love one another and him. He doesn’t ask us to kill people, abuse or stone them. His word is meant to give hope not scare people. I know some teach that way. Anyone that says you are going to Hell couldn’t possibly know, and are in the wrong themselves. Jesus teaches he without sin cast the first stone… which leaves a lot of people out of being worthy to do it when it comes down to judging people for their supposed sins. I didn’t say that stops them from doing it though. That is probably a very good example of sin in the self righteous or ignorant. They just like to think they are holier than thou is all or are disregarding or possibly not realizing they have no right to judge others like that. It is not a good way to be for sure. I can be a smart aleck biatch sometimes with grandiose fantasies…but no I’m not completely psycho… Now, I will throw my two cents in here. Most of the supporters of the death penalty are the religious right. They do feel we have the right to kill under certain circumstances. His word is full of vengeance from him to his beloved humans. So this is a conundrum. He loves yet sends us a devil to persecute us when he is not doing it. I guess one can ignore these truths and go just by the ten comandments and only think of the love. But there is a great fear factor to this belief. Not only will you have bad happen in your life for now following but you will suffer eternal damnation. Afraid of this, hell yea, people are. This is the hypocrisy of the whole belief. Be what I want or be damned. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Fri 02/01/08 12:47 PM
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doesnt that mean they just wont have eternal life but they could still have life after death that just wasnt eternal. "Chazster" it seems like you are trying to put a new spin on what the bible meant by eternal to suit your needs like you eternally accuse me of doing ...so does your same eternal theory also apply to the supposely eternal God I never said I believed this. Abra knew what I was getting at. His post he was wondering that since the bible said those who believe in Jesus would have eternal life and wonder if people who didn't wouldn't have eternal life. (this is based on the way the text was written) I simply made the point that if they wouldn't have eternal life that doesnt mean their life would have to stop at death, it would just stop somewhere. I no way advocated that I believed this, it was just another way of analyzing the text he was talking about. Quit saying I am trying to suit my needs. I don't have an agenda, I was just pointing out an observation. "Chazster" doesn't eternal means eternal unless you believe they do a couple of eons then go on vacation ...now if I try to change the meaning of a definition you would have lead a campaign to get the forum to crucify me ...er...no pun intended Yes it does, but we were talking about the ones that were not eternal weren't we(in a hypothetical since if people that didnt believe in Jesus didn't have eternal life). "Chazster" ...when dealing in religious dogma people supposely die and have eternal existence afterwards not eternal life...so therefore it wasn't hypothetical.... your "spin doctoring" on the word "eternal" was your attempt to justify your religious views to save your faith ... did you even read the post I was refering too lol? It was abra that used the term eternal life because that is what is in the bible. He wondered if people that didn't believe in jesus would die and that would be it. I merely asked the question that even if they didnt exist for eternity, how do we know that death is the actual end of existence. Again these are not my religious view. Apparently you don't read. I would like you to quit assuming everything I type is my personal belief because it isn't. I like to think and discuss outside my beliefs because I find it interesting. I have my own things I believe but I am not closed minded to the believes of others and I will not criticize them about them. |
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This is the hypocrisy of the whole belief. Be what I want or be damned. Yep. Too bad the authors of the 10 commandments didn't decide to make the first commandment "Thou shalt not judge others!" What the hell were they thinking anyway?
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Stoning unruly children to death? yep you got it joe ...stone those little monsters to death When? Where? the when really doesn't matter but the where does..hopefully close to some medical facilities Hmm! Who does that? God? nah God has people or angels to do stuff like that for him Sounds like an extreme punishment to me. ..er...duh ...ya think? I thought the stoning was saved for the adults who were found out as adulterers, thieves and such... yes I guess divorce or jailtime was to unreasonable done because of primitive peoples cultures and their beliefs not God. well by primitive beliefs do you mean The Old Testament because there is where those laws were thrown at the people ...er..no pun intended Some people are just ignorant in their ideas of what God wanted them to do so that is part of why he sent Jesus to the world. To teach us how to act and relate to him. well Jesus may have stopped the stoning but got nailed in the process |
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Now, I will throw my two cents in here. Most of the supporters of the death penalty are the religious right. They do feel we have the right to kill under certain circumstances. His word is full of vengeance from him to his beloved humans. So this is a conundrum. He loves yet sends us a devil to persecute us when he is not doing it. I guess one can ignore these truths and go just by the ten comandments and only think of the love. But there is a great fear factor to this belief. Not only will you have bad happen in your life for now following but you will suffer eternal damnation. Afraid of this, hell yea, people are. This is the hypocrisy of the whole belief. Be what I want or be damned. I honestly don’t know if mostly religious people are death penalty supporters or not. There is reference in the bible about punishment for a murderer who lays in wait to kill someone yes. His word does have vengeance in it for evil. I don’t see it as a conundrum though nor do I see it as something to be consumed by or constantly fear. God doesn’t persecute those who try to do right only those who really don’t mind doing evil and have no remorse for it. Living and dying, good and bad exists with or without religion. Rain falls on good and bad alike for sure in life. If religion, seems hypocritical, cruel, delusional, vague…that’s ok ...I’m sorry you see it that way. I see it as hope for a better life with The Creator of life. I can’t nor do I desire to try and make anyone feel like they have to agree with me. I choose to see the love part. |
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Stoning unruly children to death? yep you got it joe ...stone those little monsters to death When? Where? the when really doesn't matter but the where does..hopefully close to some medical facilities Hmm! Who does that? God? nah God has people or angels to do stuff like that for him Sounds like an extreme punishment to me. ..er...duh ...ya think? I thought the stoning was saved for the adults who were found out as adulterers, thieves and such... yes I guess divorce or jailtime was to unreasonable done because of primitive peoples cultures and their beliefs not God. well by primitive beliefs do you mean The Old Testament because there is where those laws were thrown at the people ...er..no pun intended Some people are just ignorant in their ideas of what God wanted them to do so that is part of why he sent Jesus to the world. To teach us how to act and relate to him. well Jesus may have stopped the stoning but got nailed in the process I’ve never read what you are talking about God stoning unruly children or having someone else kill people for him in the Old Testament can you please verify? Yes Jesus did get nailed up by those he loved and was trying to save. What are you trying to say here? For this I shouldn't believe? |
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This is the hypocrisy of the whole belief. Be what I want or be damned. Yep. Too bad the authors of the 10 commandments didn't decide to make the first commandment "Thou shalt not judge others!" What the hell were they thinking anyway? I thought the author of the 10 commandments was God...given to Moses in stone. |
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I thought the author of the 10 commandments was God...given to Moses in stone. So the fairytale goes.
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