well Spidercmb it seems you are in denial as to the things you do in the forum ...calling people trolls are a personal attack on your part just because they don't agree with you ...is this the teaching of Jesus ....BEHOLD come unto me...or be a troll

Sqirm? You definitely assume too much in your capabilities there but to make the statement that there are "stupid statements" is saying people are stupid by making those statements. I only brought abra and funches into it because those were the two you included in the post. Maybe you were referring to others and I do not know of them to disagree with you there. It is not my job to pin you down and you can sqirm out from under it if you want, no skin for me either way. I posted my opinion on abra and funches making stupid statements, take it how you want to. Do I owe an apology for this? If so, I will willingly apologize with a heart felt apology but I do not see where that is a requirement in this situation.

Let me think about that... I really think that "troll" is a comment on someone's behavior, not a personal insult. Just like you guys saying that I get "perturbed" isn't an insult. It's an inaccurate observation, but not an insult. I don't think that anyone who has read the majority of your posts would deny that you do quite a bit of trolling.

well Spidercmb I called you "perturb" because you always keep calling me a troll or bashing others just because they don't happen to agree with you ...so if is you that are starting this stuff so try and take responsibility for it and stop trying to spin out of it and blaming everyone but yourself

You accused me of calling someone stupid, but in the end you said "Well if you say somebody said something stupid, then they must be stupid."...as if nobody intelligent has ever said something stupid. It's okay, it's not easy to apologize, I understand that completely.

Also...When I ask you "Show me where I called Abra and Funches stupid" and you reply with a blanket attack on the crediblity of the Bible, that's squirming...or dodging...or deflecting. Any one, take your pick.

I just wanted to add, that by your reasoning (calling someone's post stupid = calling them stupid), you have just called for the complete stiffling of free speach. I can't disagree with Abra without insulting him? He can make any argument, no matter how lacking in logic or facts and it cannot be refuted? Really, I think that you have made a hasty and very poorly thought out defense for your personal attack against me. I would say that you made a stupid argument, but then you would claim that I called you stupid.

I asked you for proof that I have attacked anyone for disagreeing with me, but you can't offer any. You are trolling in many of your posts. If you don't like being called on it, then you need to change, society isn't going to change for you.

You're too late with your trivial technicalities.

I've already got your verbatim fire breathing dragon.

I’m not concerned whether you want to call it a leviathan or behemoth.

A rose is a rose by any other name.

We’ve got a fire breathing dragon in the Bible spoken of by God himself!

That’s the bottom line here.

You have no choice but to believe in fire-breathing dragons now if you want to continue to be a verbatim fundamentalist

That’s one big problem with being a verbatim fundamentalist Spider, it doesn’t give you many choices. You need to accept the book verbatim whether you like it or not.

Unless of course, you want to change your whole approach to the bible and confess that it makes no sense when taken literally.

That’s your free will choice.

Have a great day, you've really made mine!

This was GREAT!

your admitting to calling me a troll should have been proof enough ..did you call me a troll because I agreed with you or did you call me a troll because I disagree with you ...it appears you are the one now acting like a troll

Okay okay, you can win in your mind on this one. One person can disagree with another person with out using the word "stupid" period.

As for my bringing up the unbelievable parts that I see in the bible, was that not the discussion? I was putting in my two cents on the current discussion over and above the statement of abra and funches not being stupid. I can paricipate. So you perceived it incorrectly that I was dodging you or whatever. I was stating my part.

But again you can win this imagined argument in your mind, I willingly let you have it.

I see no point in further discussion of this with you,

and "Spidercmb" there above lies your famous trademark when you get perturb at someone in the forum ...

Do I owe an apology for this? If so, I will willingly apologize with a heart felt apology but I do not see where that is a requirement in this situation.

oh wait Big Foot is at the door..gotta go.

Spider is trying to twist this into the idea that you owe him an apology?

That’s the epitome of squirming if I’ve ever seen it.

This guy is the master of twisting things around. He insults people and then demands an apology for being called on it.

The arachnid is unbelievable. Seriously unbelievable.



I think Big Foot is disguised as a religious fundamentalist and is busy sticking his Big Foot in his own mouth.

Okay, I know you are trying to be funny now. "You won't debate me on if I am a troll or not, so you are perturbed"

why would I debate you on if you are a troll not...that's in the eye of the beholder...I just said it's no need to call people names just because they don't agree with you ..that's the message that people are trying to tell you

You accused me of calling Abra and Funches stupid! And now the "argument" (I didn't know there was one) is all in my head. Seriously, you do realize that what you wrote (when you falsely accused me of calling Abra and Funches names) is on display in this thread? How can you think you can get away with pretending I made it up?

Feel free to state your beliefs until your face turns blue. But you were trying to dodge my question. You still won't admit that you falsely accused me of insulting Abra and Funches? Fine, I'll just ignore your posts. I refuse to dialog with someone who tells bold faced lies about me and dodges and squirms to avoid apologizing.

And yes, you can disagree with someone without saying that their post is stupid. But saying that their post is stupid isn't the same as say they are stupid. And when you have a post composed of strawmen fallacies, sometimes the best thing you can do is call it stupid and leave it at that.

You are right, I shouldn't call you a "troll", even when you are trolling. I will instead say something like "Funches is just trying to be offensive and cause trouble".

Originally posted by Spidercmb:
I see no point in further discussion of this with you,

maybe you should phrase it as..."funches is just trying to make me "perturb" .....

"Spidercmb" I only say that because you are contradicting yourself with your statement below



if you wasn't "perturb" maybe you could control your temper and do as you say ..it appears you can't even believe you own-self

You know... Ken Ham answers these questions brilliantly on his website. www.answersingenesis.org..

check it out.