The descriptions are too detailed to be generic. Your excuses get lamer by the day. "OH yeah, there are lots of animals with strong loins and bones like iron, with tails like cedars that eat grass!" That's just stupid. Everyone is now dumber for having read your post.

This is 100% correct........

so yes it does mention them....

Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24


It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.”
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”


In the Authorized version of scripture we find Isaiah twice mentioning the "fiery flying serpent." Egypt is called the place of the "lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent," (30:6). This fits with classical authors describing pterosaur populations in Egypt and Arabia. Goertzen notes: "The Hebrew word, m'opheph Jpvfm, is a polal participle; a form used only by Isaiah when describing the reptilian saraph. The polal indicates an intensive of the root pvf ooph that means to fly or flutter. The imperfect form of the polal is found in Genesis 1:20, ‘flying creatures that flutter to and fro’ and Isaiah 6:2 ‘seraphim’ (the same word as the reptiles here used for angelic creatures) that fly to and fro.’" (Goertzen, John, "The Bible and Pterosaurs," 1998.)Plate Depicting Nehushtan or Brazen Saraph of Moses This same word is employed in Numbers 21:6 to describe the poisonous reptiles that bit the murmuring Israelites. Indeed it is easier to envision an attack of nimble flying snakes (pterosaurs) killing many of the children of Israel rather than them being surprised and killed by snakes on the ground. The pterosaur becoming a type of Christ (John 3:14) seems more appropriate than the snake, which from Genesis to Revelation is a symbol of Satan. In addition, the spread wings on the top of the pole would form a cross. In fact, a plate found with Sennacherib's booty at Calah (from the conquest of Palestine) depicts such a winged serpent on a pole that would seems to match the Nehushtan or brazen saraph of Moses that had become a symbol of worship by Hezekiah's reign (II Kings 18:4). The "fiery" flying snake even matches some cryptozoological reports from New Guinea, which attribute to alleged living pterosaurs a bioluminescent capability like a firefly.

You're referring to the description of the fire-breathing dragon.

The story is a parable about why bad things happen to good people. The parable of the dragon is a metaphor that proclaims the mythical power of God.

You need to understand that the whole story is a parable written by a sage.

There was no actual man named Job. The words that are supposed to be God talking aren’t really God talking. It’s a parable that was written by a man to make a point. That’s the whole POINT of the Bible!

If you take the Story of Job literally, then you aren’t talking about dinosaurs here, you’re talking about an actual FIRE-BREATHING DRAGON!

Clearly mythology!!!

All you are saying is that to take the Bible literally a person must believe in Fire-breathing Dragons.

I’ll buy that.

Spidercmb..you mean you refuse to see you own point ..when something is unseen and incomprehensible you wish to claim faith that it exist .....now it's supposely Noah"s Ark up there on top of a mountain but all of sudden people are too lazy to climb up the thing to find out and now amazingly you claim it wouldn't prove anything if it was or wasn't the fable Noah's Ark...it may even be dinosaurs remains in the thing ...see how you just wish to exist in a fantasy land when nothing has to be proved

well in the case of Noah's Ark and dinosaurs we are only talking about 3 1/2 God days

I was talking about Behemoth. Behemoth is never once described as breathing fire.

Once again, you have proven

1) You know nothing about the Bible
2) You have no interesting in intellectual honesty
3) You hate a religion because of straw man arguments, which you have created yourself.

It's sad. You really should look an honest look at Christianity.

Also, on the fire breathing part...I already pointed out: Bombadier beetles shoot steam, smoke and sparks out of their butt. Even if you don't believe in God and only believe in Evolution, then you have to admit that if one creature can produce fire, so could another. Couple that with the fact that every ancient culture has stories of giant fire-breathing reptiles. I see both of those facts making a fire breathing dinosaur a possibility.

Would Noah's Ark prove anything to you? Would finding a giant boat on top of a mountian turn you into a Jew or a Christian? I would guess not. That's my point.

Also, read the freaking article. There have been many missions to find the Ark, there are many things preventing them from reaching the top, including the hostile Turkish government. It's really pathetic to make such a stupid attack against the Ararat Anomaly when it's fully documented and there have been several attempts to reach the site. It's all public information, but you don't even check and then suggest that nobody has ever tried. Please, stop being intellectualy lazy and actually check to see if your arguments are valid before posting them.

And may I say pretail, why Job being a person who authored the Book of Job was even brought up. I know the author of job was either Job or Moses.....but also could of Elihu, Solomon, Isaiah, Hezekiah, Jeremiah, Baaruch and Ezra. Not sure of significance.

And no matter how you fight it.....the evidence is clear. But if you want to say they were not there........thats your choice. And actually in Job 40: 15-24 is God comparing the power of job with that of the dinosaur.........and/or Behemoth.

Too late now Spider, you already demanded that it be fully contextual



Call the Fire Department Folks!

We've found an honest to goodness Fire Breathing Dragon in the Bible spoken of by God HIMSELF directly!

I am forever grateful to you Spider for brining this to my attention. I always passed this off as being a mere analogy to God's power in the past,... BUT NOW,...

People who want to take the Bible literally have no choice but to confess that they believe in Fire Breathing Dragons!.

Thank you so much Spider, you've made my day!

Fire breathing dragons for the verbatim fundamentalists! Yippee!

This is getting crazier than Greek Mythology.

I know I have you at a disadvantage, since you never read the Bible, but Job says it was leviathan who breathed fire, not behemoth of which I was speaking.

And you are correct, context is everything. Maybe next time you will make sure you know what you are talking about before you start talking.

You're too late with your trivial technicalities.

I've already got your verbatim fire breathing dragon.

I’m not concerned whether you want to call it a leviathan or behemoth.

A rose is a rose by any other name.

We’ve got a fire breathing dragon in the Bible spoken of by God himself!

That’s the bottom line here.

You have no choice but to believe in fire-breathing dragons now if you want to continue to be a verbatim fundamentalist

That’s one big problem with being a verbatim fundamentalist Spider, it doesn’t give you many choices. You need to accept the book verbatim whether you like it or not.

Unless of course, you want to change your whole approach to the bible and confess that it makes no sense when taken literally.

That’s your free will choice.

Have a great day, you've really made mine!

This was GREAT!

ok Spidercmb so now it's the turkish governments fault why people are to lazy to climb a mountain ..the catholic church have wage war for lesser reasons than a chance to get access to one of the supposely greatest religious monument in existence ..so that's why there is no reason for me to read those "google cut and paste" documents you keep referring to when Noah's Ark is supposely in plain site ...all these excuses you keep coming up just shows that you just don't want to know which is what your faith is base upon ...not wanting to know

Abra,

Since you aren't understanding my posts, let me be clear.

Leviathan = Firebreathing reptile
Behemoth = some type of Sauropod.

I'm not denying that the Bible describes a fire breath reptile. I was explaining to you that I wasn't talking about a fire breathing reptile. Unfortunately, you are unable to understand what I post, because you don't read what I post. I told you that Behemoth wasn't described as a fire breathing dragon and it's not. Simple truth. Leviathan is described that way. I'm not denying anything. I'm not making a trivial technicality. You are so desperate to find a way to attack Christianity that you can't understand simple statements. It's really very sad. Your haste is a clear sign of desperation. You desperately want to disbelieve Christianity. Why is that?

What's amazing is that you so frequently claim to have been an educator and you claim to have read the Bible, but you show absolutely no signs of interest in being intellectually honest. In fact, you don't even bother to read my posts, you simply comment based on a quick glance at what I have typed. You show absolutely no understanding of the Bible. You only know your own made-up religion. It should be surprising for anyone here to see that you created your own religion and consider it more valid that Judaism or Christianity, but they seem to accept it without comment.

Man, you have serious issues. Your logic doesn't make the least bit of sense. I'm going to assume that you are just trying to be a troll, because I can't imagine that someone who can use a computer would make such incredibly illogical statements.

So true.

And so sad.

I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such intellectual poverty that a person decides first what the answer will be, and then frustrates themselves for an entire life trying to prove that answer.

If they could just muster a teeny tiny bit of courage to actually ask a sincere question without pretending that they already have the answer they could experience genuine sentience for the very first time!

The poster asked a simple question to certain people. It was a nice explanation with an honest person asking for a religious based explanation, not for this to be turned into another theology battle. Have some respect and create a new post if you want to battle.

oh oh Spidercmb remember our little talk about you getting easily "perturbed" at the people in the forum just because they don't agree with you ..your above post is exactly what I'm talking about ...this is a discussion not a "let's all agree with Spidercmb" session .....

I apologize for stirring up a mess :(

I didn't mean for attacks on religion to be made. I just had an honest question. Yes I have read the bible, as a matter of fact I have it sitting right next to me.

Mind you I am not religious but I do keep an open mind about this topic. Someone pointed out earlier that dinosaur fossils have been found which predate human fossils.

I am not, by any means, trying to disprove religion, I really couldn't find anything in the bible on dinosaurs. I have other questions but i'm too afraid to ask them lol. I don't want to upset the people that have faith.

well anytime one ask a question that is not already addressed in the bible then you are in fact going out of the realm of that belief and in the eyes of the believer are trying to disprove their religion

Let's see...You are denying evidence that an anomaly exists on Mount Ararat, supplied by the CIA. You are denying the existance of the many expeditions that have attempted to reach the ararat Anomaly, even though they are documented. Then you suggest that if Noah's Ark existed, the Catholic church would go to war for it. The Catholic church doesn't have an army, so that's impossible. Also, the Catholic church sits of the fence on if the Ark is a allegory or an actual event, so they don't have a dog in that fight. Most Christians don't have a strong desire or interest in finding out. In fact, only YEC are really interested in finding the Ark, because they are Bible literalist. So, I'm not perturbed that you don't agree with me, but I am somewhat disturbed by your total rejection of reality.