almost missed ya,

I shall be popping back later.


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The Son Superior to Angels is what emerges for me the strongest. First God spoke through prophets to our forefathers, and now through His Son. And as stated in verse 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 1: 1-4.

I see all things pointing to Christ.

That all of scripture points to the things of Christ as pertaining to the intent and will of God being known to man, by God himself, through the revelation of Christ as the only begotten of the Father.

true true....

Hebrews 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


These first few passages of Hebrews are illustrating to their audience the supremacy and sufficiency of Christ. It indicates that Christ is superior to the leaders of the old covenant, Moses and the angels.

from wouldee's post:

Exodus 18:17-23 (King James Version)

17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.

18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.

19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:

20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.

21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.

23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.


Continuing from Exodus 18:15-19 if we read through verse 23 we see that the advice given to Moses by his father in law warns Moses that he cannot judge the people alone because the burden will be to heavy to bear and he will become worn out. He advises Moses to seek Godly men who will be able to help carry some of the burden in instructing the people in the law and in matters of God.

In contrast under the new covenant being revealed in Hebrews we see that Christ is the mediator between God and man. He, alone, is able to carry the burden.

Mathew 11:28-30

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jesus is able to give us peace and rest. Through Him we are able to approach God with all our needs. Through Him we know God.

Hebrew 1:5-9.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh hid angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity: therefore God, eventhy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now, many of the Psalms are attributed to David, but this one is not. It is estimated that it's date of origin is 1017BC.

Psalms 2:1-12.

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take council together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from among us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill in Zion.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day I have begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt break dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.Blessed are they that put their trust in him.


Psalms 89: 26-28....to follow.

"He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."

I see that a plan was unfolding and the joy was being shared very early.

But not all was told of him and his great love.

His passion.

Indeed, it was hidden.

I see a parallel in psalm 110

Psalm 110

Of David. A psalm.

1 The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
2 The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion;
you will rule in the midst of your enemies.

3 Your troops will be willing
on your day of battle.
Arrayed in holy majesty,
from the womb of the dawn
you will receive the dew of your youth. [a]

4 The LORD has sworn
and will not change his mind:
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."


Good morning, hoping you have a blessed day.

Good morning all

There is a parallel verse to verse 6 in Romans 8:29.
28.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them that are called according to his purpose
29.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinateto be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first born among many brethren.


Peter wrote in parallel to this passage as well...
1Peter 3:21-22.
The like figure whereunto baptism doth also save us (not the putting away of the filth ofthe flesh,but the answer of a clear conscience toward God), by the ressurection of Jesus Christ:
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Here, too, it is being stated that ALL things of man are judged according to will of God in the Son of God. This would be of paramount consideration when considering just what fullness is actually being depicted in Christ and his way.

Revelations 5:5-13. depict the majesty of the Son of God in mysterious terms. With words projecting many images, both visual and figurative, there are suggestions through the use that present more is to come that cannot be paralleled by observing te natural world presently our habitat in much the way the Psalms projected parallels to Christ's coming in natural terms with equally allegorical announcement.


And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of Daavid, hath prevailed to open the book, and loose the seven seals thereof,
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the eldrs, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor , and glory, and blessing.
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, ad such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Bessing and honor and glory, and and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

This imagery is worthy of study in its own right searching for such images throughout the scriptures for textural meanig and parallel, but that is more involved than just ther Book of Hebrews, which can only be lightly touched upon here.


One thing that srikes me about the seven eyes and the Seven Spirits of God is the seven ATTRIBUTES GIVEN THE lAMB IN PRAISE, BY THIS DEPICTION OF THE SCENE AT THE THRONE AS FOUND IN THIS PASSAGE OF REVELATIONS. oops. fat finger.
1. power
2.riches
3.wisdom
4.strength
5.honor
6.glory
7.blessing

Our wealth is in our thanksgiving to God, which is a precious gift and something that we all can give God from a grateful heart for sharing his love with us.

This passage in Revelation , relative to its parallel in Hebrews1:6. is packed with specificity and relavent imagery that must be comprehended as deliberate to its use as a descriptive narrative of something beyond mere words and suggestions.

My point...
The jews are like one grain of sand and the beach itself, or the desert itself, as a group. Pick one, and then do the same with every peoples and tongues and nations and families they touch.
See that they have purposed to preserve their history and their faith iun God for posterity and prosperity.

Then comes the church of Jesus Christ.
ad infinitum.

The Holy Bible is rich with man and man's place in creation and that in relationship to God, the Creator of all life and all that is called life.

SO, by inference, this one passage in Revelations is likewise rich in imagery within the preserved book of the Holy Bible, meaning "separate book of books" or, a "unique library".

Certain words in Rev.5 are used quite often in the whole of the collection. Here are a few examples of their numeric presence.
1. lion...over 1200 times
2. Juda(h)...over 800 times
3. Root...over 75 times
5.David...over a thousand times
6.seven...over 600 times
7.Lamb...over 150 times
8.eyes...
over 500 times
9.Spirit(s)...over 400 times
and so on.....

just a study within the whole would reveal the whole be studied or at least read many times to get the feel for the importance of these images being portrayed as comprehensible to a believer or any seeking to understand about God, and specifically, the Son of God.

To care enough to comprehend the potential of a few sentences, requires the gleaning of thousands of passages.

This type of imagery is used throughout the Holy Bible and the meanings and figurative depictions are descriptive of the invisible through the use of visible likenesses.

Just as Christ is foretold in so many ways and accepted or denied by whoever reads the depictions offered, so are the images of things yet to come to pass that have their roots in the earliest prophetic utterances of man about the Son of God.

The central theme to all scripture is Jesus Christ himself and the announcwement of his ultimate coronation with assent at the culmination of all things foretold and offered to all who have not all yet been born in the world of man as have we all , past and present.

The work is not yet full. There are more yet to be given the fullness of life. They shall be made manifest before the end of the world. Certainly, before the end of this age of grace is come, many will find him alive in their hearts.

Not all, but then, not all wish it so for themselves. They that so decide, decide for themselves and those that yet have been offorded the decision are held in high esteem by all that preserve this very work of Christ's image and portrayal.

The answer is in Him, not us.

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The answer certainly is in Him, not us.

Psalms 89: 26-28....to follow...????


Enjoy your day.

Back to Hebrews 1:8,9.
These two passages are verbatim as found in Psalms 45: 6,7.
This is not attributed to David. No date is given, but it is clearly pre-existent to Jesus' time.
Equal to Psalms 104:4 being the preface for Hebrews 1:7.

This first chapter of Hebrews is rich with parallel references to the Old Testament and speaks to the pointed aspect of earlier prophecies pointing to Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of their intent.

As one commentator of the Book of Hebrews puts it, " The essential dignity of the Son, by whom God has revealed himself in these last days."

Another parallel passage is also found in the Book of Revelations 11:15.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and for ever.

Now , here, the Lord and his Christ are separate, as though they are two. But it also includes the (at the least, the early)church as the Christ in the sense that the "anointing" is in Christ. As the "firstborn and only begotten " of the Father, Jesus is the Christ. We, as "begotten of God in Christ are the firstfruits to God, in Christ."

See how this fits this as being described in Zechariah 12:1, 10.

"The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundations of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
(10)And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon all the inhabtants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

Interesting? the word 'bitterness' is better translated as "grieved, or be moved with choler" and it is a root word meaning heaviness, chafed, or discontented as well {marar}

In verse 10, me, or I am, pierced and yet the people mourn 'him' whom they have pierced. This language is emphatic, not implied in translating to English. As much as the Old English is difficult to read, it still transliterates the sentence structures of the original language better than other easy to read translations. For that reason, I study in the King James Version. What I see here is another example among many that there are two aspects to Jesus. The Son of Man and the Son of God being embodied together in one manifestation. The purpose is to establish the difference between the soul and the spirit of man in clarity by the example of Christ's life. The depictions that are worded this way in the Old Testament must have required tremendous faith to write without having had the experience of the Holy Spirit being an indwelt permanance upon being born again into Christ.
In the Old Testament, the prophets spoke as having been spoke as the Holy Spirit gave utterance in coming upon them, but not from being in them. That is an interesting distinction in and of itself. In so far as, they could peer into the promises but not yet apprehend them.

Zechariah's words were written in about 487BC.

Revelations was written after Jesus' resurrection.

thank you dear,



Hebrews 1:10-14

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

These verses minister to the believers who are being tempted to go back to their former ways, It reminds them that God does not change, the ends of the earth are in His control. Why would they turn back now that their understanding is greater than before? They cannot do that without dishonoring the Son (Jesus).

The following verses also convey the importance of the revelation of Jesus to us

Philippians 2:5-11

Let the same mind be in you that was* in Christ Jesus,
who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death—
even death on a cross.

Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.


Question:
In what way does Hebrews 1, relate to the story of Abraham and his son Isaac?

Certain words in Rev.5 are used quite often in the whole of the collection. Here are a few examples of their numeric presence.
1. lion...over 1200 times
2. Juda(h)...over 800 times
3. Root...over 75 times
5.David...over a thousand times
6.seven...over 600 times
7.Lamb...over 150 times
8.eyes...
over 500 times
9.Spirit(s)...over 400 times
and so on.....


Love this wouldee......now going to answer the one britty did last.

Question:
In what way does Hebrews 1, relate to the story of Abraham and his son Isaac?

Hebrews 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

Abraham was a forefather and God spoke to Abraham. God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Just as God was willing to sacrifice his only son.....Which also shows the love and faith that Abraham had for God, that his faith was so strong that he would of sacrificed his only son. Just as God's love for us was so strong that he sacrificed his only son that that we may have salvation.



I really want to learn wouldee and britty so please if I am wrong on anything I want to know......and I want to know the answer......I sometimes am not sure if I am reading and answering properly....so I will never take offense I just seek to know.

Deb

Good evening all...ladies...

Well, Deb, it seems that you too have a part in this study too.
We all can learn from each other. It is the Lord that directs the intents of scripture and certainly we all have the inspiration to know in part and share in part that more is learned and that God receives the glory. We are but vessels, all, and he does lead that which pertains to his right and righteousness. With Him all things are possible.

I would add , that, Hebrews 1 : 10-14 while closing the chapter, also asks the reader to consider two things.

In the mind of the writer, there is clearly a point being developed and the first chapter opens door to that which is sought to be shared, to the glory of God, and our edification and instruction. It is a very deep writing into the severe things of Christ and his kingdom.

These last verse are parallel to that found in Psalms102: 25-27, which end that psalm with s reassurance that is echoed in the introduction to this psalm , which says, "A prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed, and poureth out his complaint before the LORD."

This psalm ends with this in verse 28, "The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee."

That sounds perpetual in scope to humanity.

In Hebrews 1:13-14, the writer asks a question of the reader unlike the statement made at the end of the Psalm 102. And the question is two fold.
"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?



Now, if this was the plan for all the angels, and they were equally charged with offering the best solution for mankind's understanding of the will and intent of God towards man and again, man's response to God in true thanksgiving and graciousness, there may have been some form of competition for mastery of the dispensation of God's grace and mercy and love expressed to man.

Or was the original intent a selective one in the mind of God, the Creator? Was there only one intended messenger of God's word to man for man's own good fortunes?

The writer begins in chapter 1 with the intended premise of stipulating that God has spoken at the last through the Son of God, namely one, Jesus Christ, having reminded the reader that God had previously spoken to man through men known as prophets; thier qualification being that they spoke in the name of the LORD, JHWH (YHWH) with signs and wonders and miracles of divine intervention giving credential to the authority of their words, and quite often to their personal hurt by men.

And to the reader, it is assumed, there exists the belief that Jesus is the incarnation of JHWH (YHWH) that spoke to the prophets.

And so, the question asked of the reader by the author of the Book of Hebrews, which is a form of a letter to the Hebrews themselves, is pointed and clearly intent upon persuading them of such as he continues in his letter to them explaining his understanding of scripture and its message culminating in Jesus Christ's pre-eminence in all things.

ALL THINGS.

SO, again I remind you all that follow along with us.....


"Are they not all ministering spirits..."


.....as we move forward in exploring chapter 2.

Hi guys, thanks for the coffee.

...walks over to the sofa, fluffs up pillows
and settles down to read.....

Hebrews Chapter 2:1-8

1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

2 For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward;

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?

7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honor, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

These words are reminding the reader not to neglect the things of Christ, by allowing false teachings into their lives.


Heb 2:5 is rich in deeply profound truths.
Looking at Psalm 8

Psalm 8:1 To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David. O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

Jesus applied this verse to Himself in Matthew 21:16 , when the children were exclaiming Hosana! This happened after the Triumphal Entry and after He had cleansed the Temple.

The phrase indicates children in early childhood. Jesus told us, "Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein." (Mark 10:15).
With a little child, what you see is what you get. I think of Peter when I read that, oftentimes he got himself into trouble but his faith was pure.

Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

This reminds me of one of my favorite hymns. The entire hymn is dedicated to the majestic and excellence of God. Here is the first stanza with refrain:

O Lord, my God,
When I in awesome wonder;
Consider all the worlds Thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
Thy power throughout the universe displayed.
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee;
How great Thou art! How great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee;
How great Thou art! How great Thou art!

Hi guys, time for a little wonder off the path. I found this and wanted to share.

John Bunyan - an extract from his famous allegory:

"Then the Interpreter took Christian by the hand and led him into a very large parlour that was full of dust, because never swept; in which after he had reviewed it a little while, the Interpreter called for a man to sweep. Now, when he began to sweep, the dust became so abundantly to fly about, that Christian had almost therewith been choked. Then said Interpreter to a damsel that stood by, 'Bring hither water, and sprinkle the room'; the which when she had done, it was swept and cleansed with pleasure. Then said Christian, 'What means this?' The Interpreter answered, 'This parlour is the heart of a man that was never sanctified by the sweet grace of the gospel. The dust is his original sin and inward corruptions that have defiled the whole man. He that began to sweep, at first, is the law; but she that brought the water and did sprinkle it, is the gospel. Now, whereas thou sawest that as soon as the first began to sweep, the dust did so fly about, that the room could not by him be cleansed, but that thou wast almost choked therewith; this is to show thee, that the law, instead of cleansing the heart (by its working) from sin, doth revive, Romans 7:9, put strength into, 1 Corinthians 15:56, and increase it in the soul, Romans 5:20, even as it doth discover and forbid it, for that doth not give power to subdue. Again, as thou sawest the damsel sprinkle the room with water, upon which it was cleansed with pleasure; this is to show thee, that when the gospel comes in the sweet and precious influences thereof to the heart, then, I say, even as thou sawest the damsel lay the dust by sprinkling the floor with water, so is sin vanquished and subdued, and the soul made clean, through the faith of it, and consequently fit for the King of glory to inhabit.'"