I'll never, ever understand the mindset of the anti-vaxx crowd. If not for the polio vaccine I wouldn't even exist because my mother contracted it when she was 12 and the vaccine literally saved her life. She has a holdover from it as well in that she has to swallow with a sway to her neck because some muscles never regained full function. My dad has talked about how when he was a kid some kids just stopped showing up because they, you know, died from infectious disease. Your fear of medical science is hilarious but also incredibly sad. I received my 2nd shot 2 weeks ago and I'm proud to have done it because I didn't just do it for me but for my fellow humans. And asking if the vaccine comes out in sperm? LOL, how utterly ridiculous of a question. My goodness...

This is a serious discussion and it clearly interests people. Ridiculing and judging other people is pretty disrespectful.
Maybe refrain from reacting if that's all you got.

For the Immunology Byram Bridle sources follow this YouTube link and underneath you can find studies he referring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sis1Sddzbqk

For example source : https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
"Although the use of a noninfectious pseudovirus is a limitation to this study, our data reveals that S protein alone can damage endothelium, manifested by impaired mitochondrial function and eNOS activity but increased glycolysis. It appears that S protein in ECs increases redox stress which may lead to AMPK deactivation, MDM2 upregulation, and ultimately ACE2 destabilization.

The japanese studie on mices showing vaccines spreading spike in to the hole body. https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf
To be fair the numbers seems to go down after 9 days if I am reading correct on page 15.

Other study "Off the mark, we see that the sample size is small. However, when the majority of participants (11 out of 13; ~84%) show detectable levels of vaccine-derived viral proteins (S1 subunit, a component of the spike) in their plasma, it would seem wise to keep digging and it most certainly warrants further investigation."
https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/new-study-shows-potential-for-serious-harm/

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/04/30/covid-19-report-breastfeeding-baby-dies-after-mother-receives-pfizer-vaccine.html

HI Calle ... i watched the video you posted , however It seems other experts are in complete disagreement with Dr Bridle’s claims about the mRNA spike protein .......

“There is no evidence to suggest the vaccines pose a risk to suckling or breastfeeding infants:
Golan et al. (2021) show the vaccine is not passed through breast milk.

Mattar et al (2021) show the vaccine is not passed through breast milk, and that vaccinated women did not produce an antibody response to syncytin proteins (present in the early stages of pregnancy).

These data continue to support the Academy of Breastfeeding Medicine's recommendation that vaccinated individuals who are lactating should not cease breastfeeding.

There is no evidence to suggest the vaccines affect fertility:

Bentov et al. (2021) show ovarian function is not affected by SARS-COV-2 or vaccination.

Safrai et al. (2021) show the vaccine has no impact on women's fertility.

Shanes et al. (2021) show the vaccine has no impact on maternal immunologic tolerance of the fetus.
Morris (2021) shows the vaccine does not prevent embryo implantation or impair early pregnancy development.
Several partcipants got pregnant during the Pfizer trial, and the only adverse outcome was in the placebo group.

Bridle is combining several different anti-vaccine claims that have already been addressed by experts:.

HOW DO THE MRNA VACCINES WORK?

First, the mRNA vaccine is injected into the upper-arm (the deltoid) muscle. There is NO SPIKE PROTEIN in the mRNA vaccines; the vaccines contain mRNA wrapped in lipid-nanoparticles that help them enter your cells.

After the mRNA vaccine enters your cells, the cells use the mRNA as instructions to create a piece of the INACTIVATED SPIKE PROTEIN The mRNA does not enter the nucleus of your cell, does not interact with your DNA – and is destroyed after the protein is created.”

http://byrambridle.com/

hi Kay welcome to the forums .thanks so much for sharing about your mum.... I cannot imagine where we would be today without vaccination . With any new medical technology it is understandable that there will be uncertainty and apprehension . Hopefully overtime that will ease .

Without vaccinations (I mean the good ole-fashioned ones) the world would be a very different place I think.
In spite of that there's a lot of to-do and questions concerning these regular vaccinations too and many new parents choose to not go there with their baby.
I have to admit I'm happy in that sense I don't have to deal with that decision anymore. I think the apprehension for those vaccinations is also correct, yet if I'd have a baby now I think I'd still prefer to have it done.
I think when it comes to this that people have forgotten the impact of the diseases that we have the regular vaccinations for.

On the other hand side... look at what happened to teenage girls who had that vaccination for 1 type of cervix cancer... I'm glad my daughter and I decided against that one!! If memory serves, that one was also cooked up quite quickly.

In that sense I'm doing the same now: wait and see. Had this been a normal vaccine, not mRNA, I might have felt differently but I likely still would've waited, as we did with the cervix cancer vaccine. And a good decision that was!

Oh well... these are all big discussions, aren't they!

@calle ... more claims about vaccine s-protein rejected .....

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/coronavirus-kiwi-anti-vax-group-voices-for-freedom-accused-of-channelling-the-pandemic-s-wrongest-man-in-latest-claims.html

Thank you!!!
Reading one article so far I'm in deep shock. Not really surprised, I mean, we had expected this, right. Still remains shocking to read that we were right.

Is it a safe assumption that it stays in the shoulder muscle? The short answer is absolutely not, it’s very disconcerting. The spike protein gets into the blood, circulates through the blood in individuals over several days post-vaccination. It accumulates once it gets in the blood… in a number of tissues such as the spleen, the bone marrow, the liver, the adrenal glands.. One that’s a particular concern for me is (that) it accumulates at quite high concentrations in the ovaries..”

AND THIS... THIS is seriously worrying.
some people will massively over produce these spike proteins, some of which will escape into the general circulation.”


AND... the ANSWER TO MY OP QUESTION:
But what really worries me, without wishing to scare the population, is the reality that this receptor is present in the testes. And it’s not just the testes, it’s actually on the cells that produce spermatozoa.

I truly wished I had been wrong... It can possibly even cause permanent infertility in men.
Now sorry, I've heard the stories of 'them' trying to control the population nrs on the planet. I didn't believe them. I discarded them. But now read that! It does make me think, "They KNEW this!"

Shocked. Deeply shocked, and saddened.

What have we done?

Who are this people who are this ministry of truth again and again?

Have blind faith been good historically?
They sprayed DDT on people in USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ty3mu0YV0

Historically we also now tobacco industry did the same in USA, but they got busted and in the end smoking was no risk free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJBaBJawnSY.

I cant se the link from my region. I don´t se anything, wrong with his source material and it not science to revalue things when no info are revealed?

In my view if this serious stuff is reported, you halt the vaccines and/or value the risk benefit. I don´t se the logic going after children, pregnant and people in fertile age with the vaccine they are low risk group and the effects the vaccine might have are not long time studied it is crazy and might very well be worse than DDT or Tobaco. This is a experimental vaccine of a new type maybe it should be called gencine and all taking it is equal to fas-3 test subjects.


I can link more scientist speaking out for example: https://principia-scientific.com/visual-proof-bioweapon-spike-protein-in-covid19-jab/ I think it is overstatement in the headline based on one scientist but he also say he have sources I have not looked after them this time. Also Norwegian Microbiologist in the field speak out against it on podcast here etc.. So more and more reports state it is dangerous/unsafe and doctors etc. are speaking out against it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vj3xGT6izE .

I also don't understand why the pro-vaxxers refuse to look at scientific data. They believed in science to get injected with some crap substance, now when there is scientific evidence that it is not healthy and dangerous even, they turn a blind eye.

The problem is that pro-vaxxers generally do not properly investigate, instead blindly believe what they're being spoon-fed. In a way you can't blame the masses, not everyone has it in them to educate themselves, and what I heard from my daughter people are getting brainwashed via TV mostly by government advertisements about the vaccine, why you should get it and blablabla.
I'm not exposed as I don't watch tv at all. But it's sheer psychology that if you repeat something long and often enough, eventually the brain will begin to take that on board as true. The brain then creates new neural pathways concerning that new belief. Not psychology, neuroscience I think. It's how the brain works.

So I can imagine you'd start to take it on board, and bear in mind the masses don't educate themselves and many cannot even comprehend the info.
Like what you posted earlier and what I quoted from... the majority of people cannot understand that medical jargon.
And let's face it... most of these people can't be bothered either.

What I'm trying to say is... it's pointless to try and change such people's minds. They've dug into their belief system and will not change their mind. Waste of energy.
Only the ones who are willing to see both sides of the coin can be reached and made to think.

I am always grateful for your posts and links! Very helpful and insightful.

: Why are you not grateful for the full list of scientific experts I supplied countering the video Calle posted ? Perhaps you could share how you determined which viewpoint was accurate ??

Numerous experts have stated that the Protein produced by the vaccine does not accumulate in the blood or reproductive organs . I am wondering crystal if you understand the difference between the viral spike protein and the inactivated protein created through the vaccination process ??

I at least watched the video Calle posted . Did either of you look at any of the scientific data I posted?

Anyone who does not support mRNA vaccines ., the solution is ever so simple .... don’t have one

Like millions of people .., I have had my mRNA covid vaccines . I trust in the benefit and I trust in my academic ability/scientific knowledge to distinguish between fact and fiction .. and to make the right choice for my health and those who matter to me

I believe this topic was about MRNA vaccination from the viewpoint of dating / relationships /sex .... not a rehash of antivax propoganda .

@ crystal .. you did not hesitate to admonish Kay for what you saw as ridicule and a lack of respect .., and yet you feel it is acceptable to generalise and ridicule all provaxers . It is one thing to diss the scientific technology .. but it is unacceptable to demean anyone who doesn’t support your antivax viewpoint .

Are you aware that investigations are under way to determine if the South African and Indian covid strains have cross mutated to create a new strain ... and if proven .. how concerning that is .

Hey
Blondey it is clear we have different view on this... You have stated before about saying you are nurse than ability to find the studies easily.
I just go name and some date, so I can not find the research easily.
But if so serious reports why just ignore them.

I think I pointed to follow the precautionary principle before not that I should judge, but that's what I meant if that's unclear. Meaning that the introduction of a new product or process whose ultimate effects are disputed or unknown should be resisted.

That would be the logical thing to do and also to allow alternative treatments and recommend people to eat d-vitamins but that is suppressed which is fishy and imply hidden agendas.

Twitter are even censoring Luigi Warren on this subject who works with this, so how can the fact checkers know better than him...https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-censors-and-locks-out-mrna-expert/

There are conflict of interests if some interests own/control media, big tech and medicine and even fact checkers etc.. This is good documentary showing that:
Marc van Rast who Sparkling might know about are shown in the clip. Clearly with bad and manipulative agenda on the swine-flu scare, why would they not have bad motive again... https://youtu.be/D2t4u_tEefM?t=2297

But to the subject for people in none fertile age probably very low risk if the partner is shedding, but people planning to get children it might very well be a concern in the future if one if is waxed. But up to everyone to do there own research and come to their own conclusions.

I watched the vid from where it started.
It was good for sure, and unbelievable how they do things, and yet not a surprise.
And we get this, we knew this stuff was happening, but the ones who don't and put both feet into the lies will not believe it, not even when they see & hear someone who actually did and construed it himself tells how it works and how they con people.

I seriously don't get what is going through such people's heads, how they can NOT see, not even when it's right in front of their faces.

Yes Calle we do have different viewpoints ..and this is more than ok . Discussion is not about changing minds but an exchange of information hopefully without any coercion . We all make our own risk assessments when it comes to health . As a health professional working with infectious diseases I have a good insight and appreciation for the harm and danger they represent especially when we lack effective treatments . I still believe covid is in its infancy and has potential to be more detrimental . Left uncontrolled we have no idea of what it could be capable of and that is a risk I am not prepared to take . In a relatively short space of time covid has gone from representing a risk to the elderly to showing it can be harmful to young adults and children . There are certainly still many unanswered questions about covid .

Like you .. I believe caution is esstential ., but my caution and concern is directed towards the pathogen . That does not mean I am not interested in treatment safety . In fact the opposite . My choice is made understanding not only benefits but personal risk and harm .

As for vitamins ... there is no conclusive evidence that they can prevent infection from covid . They may have a role as an adjuvant therapy but as a stand alone treatment ., there is no scientific evidence that is the case . I take vitamin D in winter and vitamin C all year round ... but that practice would give me little confidence that I can safely enter an isolation room and not have to worry about infection risk . The same with the vaccine .. i see it as another layer of protection ... my safety is reliant on many factors but implementation of best practice protocols grounded in scientific evidence and knowledge of transmission/pathology , for me Is a guiding influence.

I (a disabled truck mechanic) am not a doctor.
I am high risk for COVID, my health is poor.
I am not looking to reproduce, I've already done that 4 times.
I've recently (within the last 5 years) had adverse reactions to flu shots.
I don't WANT to die but I know it is inevitable and more likely each day I live.
If I contract COVID, I will likely die from it.
I have good reason to get the shot.
I also have rational reasons not to.
I need more information and more time to make my decision.

There are 7.9 Billion people alive right now on this planet.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
There are nearly 3 times more births per minute than deaths.
I realize high population causes many problems others attribute to other things. From employment issues to civil and family issues. Not only is it getting more expensive to live, people no longer care as much for the plight of the common man. Incompetence and agendas have become the norm.

One could look at the Earth as a living entity. People are a condition of life within the Earth's living system. We are part of the biosphere.
Pandemics might be thought of as Earth's attempt to cull an overpopulation problem. People have been getting better and better at nullifying natural culling. Our science and technology is creating a species which is unnatural.

COVID is a population driven culling. As culling goes, not a very effective one. What COVID does tell me is any viral infection has the potential to become a pandemic due to human population density. One could think of it as a trial run for a more effective culling vector.

From this point of view one could surmise the human measures taken to nullify the spread is creating a template for unnatural selection in our species. China has the highest population in the world followed closely by India. The United States is smaller by population yet has high infection because our way of life, population density in cities and tendency for world-wide travel, combine to make viral transmission fast. Other populous modern countries also contribute to this factor.

In a desperate attempt to arrest the spread of this particular pathogen, humans quickly develop a vaccine to try to halt the spread of the pathogen in high density populations. Many vaccines are produced over a short period of time and rolled out to the population in an effort to nullify the spread of the current pathogen.

It has been human history which shows us drugs which are rolled out to the population often have adverse effects over time. Effects which are not realized at the time the drug is distributed. It takes time to understand the effects of a drug on large populations. Just look at the history of past medical/drug law suits and court findings.

Medical science knows a lot. It doesn't know everything. Not only does time hide things, things tend to change over time.
In the effort to nullify a culling we may be causing a larger problem for our species in the future. Not tomorrow or next week, not in a year or three but maybe in as little as a few generations.
Science fiction is full of stories of how the 'cure' is worse than the 'disease'. We can't know if future generations will slowly become infertile as a result of some unknown conditions caused by our vaccination saturation.

What concerns me is not the pandemic we now face but the future pandemic to which we have no defense. A future pandemic which may be created by something our current panic driven cure caused. My issue is not vaccination but the fact there are so many different vaccinations being utilized at the same time in a relatively short span. Vaccination formulas which were quickly approved by panic driven political/society pressure.

The infection rate/death rate of COVID before vaccinations were available, did not justify the speed at which multiple formulas needed developed and rolled out quickly. The panic was not health driven as much as it was socially driven. The pandemic did more damage to society than it did to species health. It has become a money/power driven 'cure' in an attempt to nullify the restrictions on society caused by the pandemic.

These fast-breaking vaccinations are allowing society to 'return' to normal operation quickly. People who were 'not sick' were out of work. Bills were not being paid on time. Peoples 'lives' were interrupted by the pandemic restrictions. Suddenly, vaccinations are made available and society begins to return to normal. Vaccinations which were developed and rolled out in a mere two years time.

Suddenly we have all types of authorities assuring the safety of vaccines which have not had time to manifest any long term adverse effects. Authorities which are making guesses based on what they know right now because there hasn't been enough time to properly observe conditions over a long duration.

Large doses of radiation can kill you. Small doses can kill you slower but also cause birth defects in your offspring. When atomic bomb tests were being done, at first, we had no idea affected people would produce defective offspring. We had to wait until those offspring were born and were studied.
We take precautions even when x-raying pregnant women because we now know what happens. We learned vital information after the fact, over duration.

Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica, Bextra, Risperdal, Invega, Natrecor, Depakote, Zyprexa, Vioxx, Aranesp, Seroquel, Tracleer, Ventavis, Veletri, Opsumit, OxyContin to name a few recent drugs which are no longer safe or pulled from general distribution. All which were, at one time, readily available. Plus, if you were to go back a full century, many, many more.
Granted, there are many more which have no bad effects. But all of them have time proven observational histories.
None of the COVID vaccines have time proven observational histories. There's no way anyone can know what might happen to people, or their children, as a result of using a fast produced, panic distributed vaccine. Plus, there's multiple versions of the formulas which have different side effects.

On top of all this, we are fast approaching a total saturation vaccination protocol. We have people outside the risk group being vaccinated because COVID mutates. I haven't been following the vaccination progression but I believe we are close to vaccinating children, if not already there. What happens when children who's bodies are still maturing, are vaccinated with an unproven vaccine? Nobody can answer that, there hasn't been enough time.

I know this...
Vaccinations are being pushed. Pushed rather incessantly. Pushed anywhere medical establishments exist. From the local doctor's office to Walmart.

There are multiple vaccines available from multiple mega-drug companies. Often the same mega-drug companies which have been sued over some of the drugs they push.

People who have been vaccinated no longer take precautions. Despite multiple COVID strains. Strains which may or may not be nullified by the vaccine they got.

COVID's ability to mutate quickly is a threat no current vaccine is prepared for. Vaccines which work with one strain may not work for subsequent mutations. Nobody really knows, there hasn't been enough time.

Booster shots are expected. Booster shot frequency has not been verified by duration observational data and testing. They're guessing.

Most medical drugs treat symptoms and do not 'cure'. Very few drugs 'cure' the disease. My diabetes meds do not cure my diabetes, they treat the symptoms. Inoculations do not 'cure' the disease they allow your body to create a stronger defense against the disease. The disease still exists, you just no longer get sick from it. Only over a period of time with certain diseases, does the disease actually die out or is it waiting in the dirt?

If you take the details of this pandemic and apply it to a deadlier virus, the virus will win.

Small pox was not 'cured' in 2 years. Small pox was transmitted by population density and travel. Insert small pox into the current pandemic scenario and the affect would be disastrous. That's just small pox, there's many other 'known' diseases which would be equally dangerous in today's world. Plus, the past diseases do not guarantee the path of new, unknown diseases, diseases which are driven by population density conditions.

High population density and worldwide travel create pandemic potential of any isolated virus. Instead of a single village or island being wiped out, it has the potential to wipe out and decimate populations on a grand scale world-wide. Plus, with populations rising as they are, the threat is growing not receding. It is very likely the world will see pandemics at a higher frequency as time goes by.

Look what COVID (a rather 'tame' virus) did to the world.

Will COVID mutate to a worse pathogen? One for which no 'quick fix' can be developed?

Will our current rush to vaccinate actually cause a future strain of COVID to be more deadly?

Will another virus spread like COVID to which we have no fast defense?

Will people become unjustly 'reassured' by COVID treatment and prevention successes causing undue faith in the medical sciences?

Will the current COVID vaccines have adverse long duration effects on people and their offspring?

In ten years, how many COVID vaccines will there be?
Which ones will have been proven unsafe?
Which companies will have been sued?
Who went to jail?

Life has a habit of making fast, desperate choices ... bad ones.

Heard suggestion here today that Pine needle Tea might be good for both Corona viruses and against spike protein. In Sweden we have lot of those at least...
I use to watch this northern living Swedish girls mostly for listening to here songs, but she do needle tea also and have other interesting clips. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZrOW1PgISw

LOL, I can hear the law suite now, your honor, during intercourse the defendant infected my client with an un wanted Sexually Transmitted Vaccine. ;-)

Not so much LOL when it happens...

I personally worry that there may no longer be an "natural humans" left in the world ... especially if the long term effects of mRNA actually do some genetics modifications to natural human dna. I am hoping to find a woman so we can have natural kids. This dna altering stuff really worries me because it has not been tested on the impact of offspring between vaxxed and unvaxxed
Sigh.

Yep, and I feel the same way.
I am natural and intend to remain that way. I've got two adult kids who also choose to remain natural. My mom as well.

Thank goodness there is quite the large group of people that chose to remain natural.
The worrying thing is that they injected (I'm always inclined to say "infected") millions of children from age 5 and up.
And the younger ones, babies, will get infected with the mRNA via their mother during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

I'm also having the same issue you have: finding a partner that is natural. Someone I can be intimate with without having to worry about any potential side-effects and contamination with mRNA.
Maybe it could help to get on a dating site with different kind of people? Like a spiritual dating site? I don't think there are dating sites yet for natural people :/
Or go to get-togethers or places where natural people hang out, come together etc.? You never know who you will meet.

Another option to possibly meet someone could be to find a dating site that provides an option for people to state they have been injected.
I was on one such dating site until recently. Makes it very easy as when you see the syringe on their profile you know to skip them. Surely there will be an American dating site with a similar option.