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Edited by
Seamus
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Mon 11/09/20 06:18 AM
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Obviously, in any Democracy the most vital and vulnerable part is it's voting system. These must be made as robust and tamper proof as possible if they are to avoid the possibility of fraud leading to a potential tyranny.
"It's not the voters that count. It's those that count the votes" - Joseph Stalin. "Ballot stuffing was always an essential part of all the democracies that I've studied"-Seamus Zelazny Harper (no relation). |
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The founding intention was to allow "We The People" to remove the government if the government became tyrannical. Our "freedom" started out with freedom from an oppressive government and the founding fathers wrote protections into the constitution and bill of rights.
The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common law and was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Sir William Blackstone described this right as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state. A foundation of American political thought during the Revolutionary period was concerned about political corruption and governmental tyranny. Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Our current condition: Originally, the Constitution and Bill of Rights protected US citizens against an over-bearing government. Problem is, "We The People" Have given their power to the government because its easier to just let someone else call the shots. Its not about owning guns its about protections to keep our government in check and we are failing at that more and more as time passes. The original system of State actually worked but we have given up our power. Our government is broken. The 2nd Amendment gives the people the power to do something about our broken government but we choose to sleep instead. The 2nd Amendment needs to stay in place because even though we are currently not of mind to do anything about our broken government our children, or their children may decide to replace it. The 2nd Amendment gives "We The People" the right to change all the monkeys, by force if necessary. That's pretty important if you ask me...and you did. |
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For reference:
http://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ Second Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. First Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Third Amendment No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Fourth Amendment The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Fifth Amendment No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Sixth Amendment In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Seventh Amendment In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Eighth Amendment Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Ninth Amendment The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Tenth Amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Eleventh Amendment The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State. Twelfth Amendment The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. Thirteenth Amendment Section 1 Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2 Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Fourteenth Amendment Section 1 All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2 Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Section 3 No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4 The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5 The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Fifteenth Amendment Section 1 The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude– Section 2 The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Sixteenth Amendment The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Seventeenth Amendment The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures. When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. Eighteenth Amendment Section 1 After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. Section 2 The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Section 3 This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. Nineteenth Amendment Section 1 The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Section 2 Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Twentieth Amendment Section 1 The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin. Section 2 The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day. Section 3 If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified. Section 4 The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them. Section 5 Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article. Section 6 This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission. Twenty-First Amendment Section 1 The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. Section 2 The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. Section 3 This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. Twenty-Second Amendment Section 1 No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. Section 2 This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress. Twenty-Third Amendment Section 1 The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct: A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment. Section 2 The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Twenty-Fourth Amendment Section 1 The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Section 2 The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Twenty-Fifth Amendment Section 1 In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President. Section 2 Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress. Section 3 Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President. Section 4 Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office. Twenty-Sixth Amendment Section 1 The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. Section 2 The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Twenty-Seventh Amendment No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. This is what being a US Citizen means. I know its a lot to read and most people will not read it but it affects each and every US citizen no matter race, color or creed. |
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Edited by
LarchTree
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Wed 11/11/20 07:22 AM
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Well organized militia
I suppose if the government was more harm than good, and the majority of the states were against it, that it could be overthrown. Though there could be better things, I like the US government. |
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Well organized militia I suppose if the government was more harm than good, and the majority of the states were against it, that it could be overthrown. Though there could be better things, I like the US government. The forefathers understood human nature enough to know that government (power in general) is easily corruptible. By making it so everyone has the same rights, power is more manageable, when it comes to the will of the people. |
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It seems like social distancing is the essence of personal protection.
Do not own others. Don’t covet or lust of others. Forgive. Do not be owned. Don’t idolize others. Be not of the world. |
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The right to keep and bear arms is a natural, God-given right which is merely recognized and respected in the Constitution. With or without that document, every creature on the planet has the right to use any and all means at their disposal to protect themselves.
Some people want to know why we need guns? Because psychopaths always seek high positions of power, and often acquire them. It is merely an eventuality that these people will end up in positions where they can behave like tyrants, because there is little competition for these positions from decent, moral people. You see, decent, moral people do not desire to have power over others. After attaining these high positions, the psychopaths then they appoint pliable morons to manage the middle, and together they assume the rule over the rest of us. Because they are psychopaths, they will always demand greater and greater acts of sacrifice and obeisance from those they rule over, until the “subjects” have nothing left that they can submit to the king’s whims. No matter how much you give them, no matter how low you bow, it is never enough. Evil is never satisfied. That is why most governments don’t think we should have guns, and why we certainly need them. |
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Edited by
Aldtrao
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Sat 11/14/20 09:30 AM
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The first reply went through twice, so I’m just wiping this one out.
I guess I’ll just add that I saw someone wrote that they thought America has more gun violence than any other nation. But the fact is, most nations have more violence than America, and if they had more guns in those places then they would have more gun violence. |
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The best way to protect against tyranny is a society of Voluntaryists. Don’t create positions of power and tyrants won’t occupy them. Neither can a would-be tyrant carve out his own position of power in a society that refuses to acknowledge it.
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Brilliant !!
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The best way to protect against tyranny is a society of Voluntaryists. Don’t create positions of power and tyrants won’t occupy them. Neither can a would-be tyrant carve out his own position of power in a society that refuses to acknowledge it. I disagree. Your voluntaryists should be plan "B". The BEST way to protect from tyranny are the checks and balances in a democratic system. I don't necessarily believe your idea of voluntaryists is realistic either. In EVERY group, leaders will emerge - and where there is power, human nature kicks in and it gets abused. If the leaders don't have power, they'll be taken out by someone who does. Same reason why socialism will never work. Take the idea of antifa. The media doesn't call these real fascists an organized group, because they have no "leaders" or "organizational structure". Truth is, they actually do, and the authorities know who these people are. They all have the same ideology and structure from coast to coast. It would be ideal if that were possible, but it can never be possible. |
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The democratic leftist are a tyrantical government, and we the people have that right to protect ourselves from evil |
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A Little Gun Control History
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! there are Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century Because of gun control: 56 million. |
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A Little Gun Control History In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! there are Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century Because of gun control: 56 million. Well NeonNights, while I think your recently posted tastes in music are horrible you've gained my respect (if you care)! I appreciate your excellent show of facts above and you can read my practical views on gun ownership on page 1 of this thread if you care to. Your post above illustrates and expands on what I've said here several times; the first thing any would be dictator does is removes the guns from the populace, the rest is then easy for them. My dad (RIP) was a Korean war Marine veteran who was awarded 3 purple hearts and a bronze star. For many years and on different vehicles he maintained a bumper sticker that read "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" and I can promise that he meant it. Most don't realize it but there are still plenty out there with the same beliefs. If in this country anyone tried to try to confiscate peoples guns it could quickly get very bloody. |
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A Little Gun Control History In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! there are Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century Because of gun control: 56 million. All excellent points... but do you happen to know when Thanksgiving is in the Soviet Union OR in Turkey? |
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Edited by
Tom4Uhere
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Wed 12/09/20 06:23 AM
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A Little Gun Control History In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! there are Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century Because of gun control: 56 million. Wow, nice reply for this discussion. Was it from a single source or did you gather this information? Your picture looks adorable and you obviously have intelligence from the activity I've seen but like already said, you have horrible taste in music. Back on topic. There's more to the 2nd amendment than guns and gun control. Its about independence from external control and the ability to make change in government when needed. Said Best: With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. (Or 'slaves'). |
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Thanks for the points! It is good to be strong.
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One of the many disturbing catchphrases of the recent future is something about the military, etc... it goes....
"If you're not going to stand behind us, stand in front of us." It's not necessarily about the ideals of any present leadership, etc. -just supposedly a cool (and very wrong) way of saying sometimes you gotta kick some butt. However, it's just a slight tweak from "If you don't agree with us, you can be the enemy, too." When I first started thinking about that catchphrase, I really didn't think the general population was capable of any sort of revolt -but I was not considering desperate times -or increasing tensions boiling over due to circumstance... or the increased power of a few words to make the difference between relative peace(depends where you live)/business as usual and ....pretty much civil war. Still... it's a scenario which does not allow for avoidance overall that is a greater danger... In other words, that which could set government/military against the general population and vice-versa ...a need to act overwhelming normal decision-making. Especially now, but increasingly for some while, the general population has become less trusting of the government to have its best interest at heart. If something happened -natural or other disaster -way beyond the scope of hurricane Katrina, for example -which necessitated that the government -police -and perhaps even military -take widespread direct action to restore order of some kind, how willing would the general population be to take their direction (much less go with them someplace to be relocated) -if they thought fending for themselves was a better option? It may sound farfetched, but there is already an underlying distrust on issues like the government taking everyone's guns -which would be exactly what they would do if they needed to manage large populations -even for their own good. Anyway... ideally, "us" will be honorable, noble, concerned -so that the population CAN stand behind them... and the general population will act responsibly as citizens -so neither will together make the unthinkable a reality. No longer on "sides", we could have strength regardless of dire circumstance. |
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I don't currently have a gun. Maybe i wont again. While i don't like murderers i don't like the idea of not being able to have a gun. I lived in canada for 9 years and most of them had rifles for hunting and protection.
i have heard they are going after canadian's guns and rifles lately and i am sure it is because of the government control and what they believe will be push back. i live in new orleans. there are horror stories here of the people that remained after katrina. it was the wild west. without a gun many were fair game. i don't think they will go after the 2nd amendment completely though i hear there is a law going after ar rifles and magazines bigger than 10 bullets and calibers 50 and above....i think we need to stop this lock down and nonsense going on now, how is the issue... |
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