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Topic: TODAY IN TRUMPLAND. PART 2. - part 2
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Sun 04/28/19 07:24 AM



As was Hillary's as well..helping the Russians interfere with an election..whether they were considered gathering information or colluding..they both did the same thing




not really. No more than a migrant being present with papers is doing the same as a migrant being present without. Details matter.

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Sun 04/28/19 07:33 AM
Edited by tombraider on Sun 04/28/19 07:39 AM


I agree ..as in a legal immigrant who enters through the port of entry the proper way and vetted and then allowed to stay in the U.S as opposed to an illegal immigrant entering by sneaking in or climbing over or under the wall not being vetted and allowed to stay in as well ..the one following the laws should be allowed to stay and the other should be thrown out ..details do indeed matter..Not to mention those who are seeking asylum because they are being persecuted or escaping violence in "their country"..once they leave "their country" they are no longer under those threats in "their country" and there goes their reason for seeking asylum..once again details do matter..

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Sun 04/28/19 10:30 AM
The Trump is coming to visit us here in England. The leader of the main opposition party here in the UK has said he will not be going to the official party. Also the speaker of our House Of Parliament won't be going and the leader of the third party won't be going either. Pity our Prime Minister who probably has no option and will have to go.

That's what the majority of people here in the UK think of dozy donald. I wonder why they have such a low opinion? I think maybe here his treatment of women counts a great deal, as do all those lies he's told, and been proven to have told.

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Sun 04/28/19 01:31 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 04/28/19 01:33 PM



I agree ..as in a legal immigrant who enters through the port of entry the proper way and vetted and then allowed to stay in the U.S as opposed to an illegal immigrant entering by sneaking in or climbing over or under the wall not being vetted and allowed to stay in as well ..the one following the laws should be allowed to stay and the other should be thrown out ..details do indeed matter..Not to mention those who are seeking asylum because they are being persecuted or escaping violence in "their country"..once they leave "their country" they are no longer under those threats in "their country" and there goes their reason for seeking asylum..once again details do matter..

what you are missing is that NEITHER Hilary nor Trump were found to have colluded even WITH the details.

so, in immigration, as with the definitions in criminal law in general, the details matter as to the 'crime' charged AND the penalty.

If some woman and her child entered my home without knocking, I may treat them differently if some crazy man with a gun was outside or some abusive spouse, than if they only came in trying to take my possessions. In the former case, though there was the CRIME of trespassing and illegal entry, I would be trying to HELP them. In the latter, due to the CRIME, would be prosecuting them.

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Sun 04/28/19 03:52 PM
Thank you for those words, so kindly put, as usual. Some people here voted for Brexit because they had the strange idea that we would 'send the foreigners all home' if it happened. I voted for Brexit because I would prefer that decisions about my country are made by our politicians and not those unelected people over in Brussels. I don't agree with that.

I don't think any of the are 'sick' as far as I know they are all in good health at the moment.

I am quite happy for this country to have immigrants, those already here are most welcome. Given the choice I would like the Australian system whereby if you want to live here, you need to first have a job offer, so that you will be earning and paying taxes from Day One. But I am not in charge, sad to say.

I can't wait for dozy donald to bring all his lies to us. He will be caught out all over again by our journalists when they interview him. The questions we ask will be pertinent and this answers will give us all a big laugh. The English newspapers will have a field day with their cartoons. This visit will be even more amusing than the last one. At least nobody reading what the press has to say will be in any doubt about what the English think of the liar from over the pond!

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Sun 04/28/19 03:54 PM
PS I am awake now and despite repeated warnings about pain, I have not yet found any. Perhaps the pain will be in the US? I'm sure it will if by some mischance, or illegal voting, the dreaded trump gets elected again. Last time he LOST in terms of the number of people voting, something that has always irritated him!

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Sun 04/28/19 04:19 PM
Edited by tombraider on Sun 04/28/19 04:26 PM

The "SICK" I was describing was not that which is of a physical nature but more of a mental state of being..mark my words MK THE PAIN IS COMING..as far as we are concerned whether it is coming from the ISIS training camps in Central America in Red Dawn fashion or from that which already exist within and just waiting for the increase in numbers ..it is coming..

One only has to see if Hillary had been elected it would have been ALOT worse..they are indeed attempting to destroy the sovereignty of all nations and bring us under a New World Order..a one world government..and unfortunately it will come with a lot of pain ..and pain comes in many forms..whether it's people getting beat up,shot,killed or raped..or whether it's people who loved their country and feel that they have to move now that their neighborhoods are no longer safe..or having their culture destroyed..or whether it's because they lose their jobs due to cheaper labor employed..or the constant struggle to keep up with the higher taxes,gas prices or food prices to support illegal immigration..pain can come in many forms..as for the real pain which I am thinking of as far as we are concerned..give it six months to a year..it will expose itself..

When one can see all the extra stress that illegal immigration has brought to these countries and their people..one has to ask themselves ..what exactly is the agenda..and who is behind it..Because if you ask me they should be exposed so that we can bring them the same...ten fold..spock

When one can see that the EVIL QUEEN Hillary or her sick pedo husband Billy are not in Gitmo or haven't been executed one can indeed see there is a force that goes beyond governments that allow these evil people to get away with what they do..The PAIN I wish was coming is that which should be dealt to all these traitors in our governments ..but it is highly doubtful we will ever see these evil people brought to justice..such a shame..eh..spock

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Sun 04/28/19 04:39 PM
Trump flips on Fox News analyst after he calls the president's actions "criminal"

"President Trump turned on Fox News personality Judge Andrew Napolitano after the legal analyst issued a sharp rebuke of the president’s actions outlined in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report as “immoral, criminal, defenseless and condemnable".

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-flips-on-fox-news-analyst-after-he-calls-presidents-actions-criminal-143939461.html

“When the president asks his former adviser and my former colleague, K.T. McFarland, to write an untruthful letter to the file knowing the government would subpoena it, that’s obstruction of justice.” “When the president asks Cory Lewandowski, his former campaign manager, to get Mueller fired, that’s obstruction of justice. When the president asks his then-White House counsel to get Mueller fired and then lie about it, that’s obstruction of justice. When he asked Don McGahn to go back to the special counsel and then change his testimony, that’s obstruction of justice. When he dangled the pardon in front of Michael Cohen in order to keep Cohen from testifying against him, that’s obstruction of justice. Why not charge him?” “The president’s job is to enforce federal law.” “If he had ordered its violation to save innocent life or preserve human freedom, he would have a moral defense. But ordering obstruction to save himself from the consequences of his own behavior is unlawful, defenseless, and condemnable.” - Judge Napolitano (Fox News)


"Judge Nap was spot on and gave his expert legal opinion. Trump's idea of a good lawyer is Roy Cohn, a closeted homosexual who persecuted others for their homosexuality and was disbarred for dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Cohn had a dying client sign a document naming Cohn a co-executor of the client'swill after falsely telling him that the document dealt with his divorce. That's the kind of lawyer that Trump likes, not the kind like Don McGahn that tell the truth. "




Roy Cohn: From Ruthless 'Red Scare' Prosecutor to Donald Trump's Mentor


"The chief architect of McCarthyism prosecuted the Rosenbergs, purged suspected communists and LGBT government workers and was portrayed in 'Angels in America".

http://www.history.com/news/roy-cohn-mccarthyism-rosenberg-trial-donald-trump




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Sun 04/28/19 05:49 PM
Barr's testimony to House on Mueller in doubt amid dispute

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department has informed the House Judiciary Committee that Attorney General William Barr may skip a Thursday hearing on special counsel Robert Mueller's report if committee lawyers seek to question him".

http://news.yahoo.com/barrs-testimony-house-mueller-doubt-amid-dispute-132854541--politics.html

If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

- Mueller Report


Trump falsely claims babies are being legally executed, mimics Saudi king's accent and calls former FBI officials 'scum' in wild rally speech

"Donald Trump falsely claimed during a wild and often incoherent rally speech in Wisconsin that newborn babies were being legally executed.

The US president said mothers who had just given birth were being given the choice of keeping the child or allowing it to be killed.

The claim – which is demonstrably false – came as he spoke about late-term abortions".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-wisconsin-rally-fbi-scum-babies-executed-a8889766.html


Sometimes I think the Democrats should not try to impeach Trump because he will lose and we have more urgent issues to address. But as his grip on reality deteriorates the risk of leaving him in command of the military, of emergency preparedness, disaster recovery etc grows daily. He is a risk to the planet.

With Trump, nothing shocks me anymore. I just shake my head and wait for anyone else to vote for in 2020. And I mean anyone else. I don't care who it is at this point. Trump's over-the-top, blatantly untruthful rhetoric is aimed at his Jerry Springer base with short attention spans. These people thrive on drama and immaturity.

They wanted a nutjob for President, and they got one. Be careful what you wish for, You might get it.





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Sun 04/28/19 06:06 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Sun 04/28/19 06:11 PM
Watching a Trump rally is like watching a "James Town" remake. I expect to see kool-aid being passed around at any time. It would scare me to be over in the middle of that much crazy/ insanity.

The president falsely accused mothers and doctors of executing newborns, called the FBI “scum,” and basked in the crowd’s “Lock her up!” chants


"President Donald Trump went on a 90-minute extended rant during his rally in Wisconsin on Saturday night, programmed against the White House Correspondents Dinner that he refused to attend. During his unhinged monologue, the president said many ridiculous things that will sap your will to continue living in this nightmare dystopia, including accusing mothers and doctors of executing newborns, calling the media “sick” and ex-FBI officials “scum,” claiming credit for the “sick” idea of sending undocumented immigrants to sanctuary cities, and doing an impression of the Saudi king’s accent. Oh, and, of course, there were “Lock her up!” chants".

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-unhinged-rally-828399/


Obama: ‘Leaders Who Feed Fear Typically Are Also Ones Who Avoid Facts’

"Hmm, wonder who he’s talking about?.

"In a not-so-subtle jab at Trump, former president Barack Obama told an audience gathered at The National Museum of African American History and Culture to celebrate the centennial of Nelson Mandela’s birth on Saturday why those in power might spread lies:

“Leaders who feed fear typically are also ones who avoid facts,” Obama said".

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/obama-leaders-who-feed-fear-828455/

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Sun 04/28/19 06:48 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Sun 04/28/19 06:57 PM
Rep. Clyburn slams Trump's praise for Robert E. Lee: 'The president is now glorifying a loser'

"House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn sharply rebuked President Trump’s praise of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, who the president praised as a “great general,” but the Democrat called a “loser.”

“The fact of the matter is, Robert E. Lee was a great tactician, was not a great person,” said Clyburn, of South Carolina, on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “Robert E. Lee was a slave owner and a brutal slave master. Thankfully, he lost that war and I find it kind of interesting the president is now glorifying a loser. He always said that he hated losers. Robert E. Lee was a loser".


http://news.yahoo.com/democrat-rep-slams-trump-s-praise-for-robert-e-lee-the-president-is-now-glorifying-a-loser-191039002.html






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Mon 04/29/19 12:42 AM
Original American constitutional legal system: President Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

In new legal system being implemented by democrat's and news media: President Trump is guilty until proven innocent. All that is needed are continuous accusations.

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Mon 04/29/19 12:43 AM

Original American constitutional legal system: President Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

In new legal system being implemented by democrat's and news media: President Trump is guilty until proven innocent. All that is needed are continuous accusations.


no one has found him guilty, yet. Hence, the 'UNTIL' part of that whole thing.


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Mon 04/29/19 01:14 AM

no one has found him guilty, yet. Hence, the 'UNTIL' part of that whole thing.


Exactly :thumbsup:

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Mon 04/29/19 01:31 AM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Mon 04/29/19 01:38 AM

Original American constitutional legal system: President Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

In new legal system being implemented by democrat's and news media: President Trump is guilty until proven innocent. All that is needed are continuous accusations.


The one thing that blows holes all in this statement, is Trump himself. Trump has done everything to his own self. Mostly with his own mouth. In front of reporters and on camera. He has played it all out for all public to see and hear.

Trump can blame no one for this but himself. If you surround yourself with corruption and corrupt people, you will be thought of as corrupt. If almost every word that comes out of your mouth is a blatant lie, you will be thought of a corrupt liar. If you try to hide something, you will be thought of as a corrupt, deceptive liar.

If all you do is cause trouble with the words that come out of your mouth, You will be thought of as a corrupt, deceptive, trouble making liar. Trump is the worst thing to ever happen to himself.

No matter how hard anyone tries to blame this on the Democrats, They can try, but it just doesn't hold water. I'm sure that by the end of the week Trump will say or do something stupid. You can't blame Democrats for his idiocy and stupidity.

The right has always tried to blame the Democrats for everything. You try to blame the Democrats if the sun doesn't shine. It doesn't work with Trump. Not as long as he has Twitter to spew his lies. Not as long as he doesn't have brains enough to shut up in front of a reporter and the public. All of his troubles are of his own making. Not one Democrat had anything to do with it. It's not the media's fault that Trump is an idiot that likes bringing his own twist to the Jerry Springer show like mess of his own making. If you just have to blame someone, blame the one that started the mess. Trump himself.




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Mon 04/29/19 01:47 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Mon 04/29/19 01:50 PM
Trump reaches 10,000 'false or misleading' claims in office, Washington Post 'Fact Checker' finds

"President Trump passed a historic milestone in his presidency over the weekend.

The Washington Post, which has been tracking the truthfulness of the president’s public assertions in tweets, speeches, interviews and press conferences, reports that Trump surpassed 10,000 false and misleading statements since his inauguration".

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-has-made-10000-false-and-misleading-claims-washington-post-fact-checker-145444166.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31c455b63f60

On Friday, the president passed the 10,000 marks by making 49 false or misleading claims — including 24 in a speech at the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting in Indianapolis. At his rally in Green Bay, Wis., Saturday, Trump made 61 false or misleading claims, for a total of 10,111 claims in 828 days, or an average of more than 12 per day.

All this should turn off the Christian right. Why the Christian conservatives stand behind a man that lies this much. When the Bible clearly says,


Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV /

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.



That one verse has Trump wrote all over it. As if it were talking straight to him.

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Mon 04/29/19 02:04 PM
AP FACT CHECK: Trump's misleading rhetoric on immigrants

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is spreading misleading rhetoric about illegal immigration.

At a Wisconsin rally, he suggested he's launched his plan to transport immigrants in the U.S. illegally to sanctuary cities in mass numbers — "my sick idea," as he proudly called it. There's no evidence that's happening".

"He's also giving a confused outlook on the U.S. population growth, alternating between assertions that the country is too full to accept any more migrants and that it needs more migrants to fill jobs.

In the meantime, Russia kept reverberating over the past week, even with special counsel Robert Mueller's report now part of history. "

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-04-29/ap-fact-check-trumps-misleading-rhetoric-on-immigrants

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Mon 04/29/19 05:47 PM
Edited by oldkid46 on Mon 04/29/19 05:48 PM

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's misleading rhetoric on immigrants

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is spreading misleading rhetoric about illegal immigration.

At a Wisconsin rally, he suggested he's launched his plan to transport immigrants in the U.S. illegally to sanctuary cities in mass numbers — "my sick idea," as he proudly called it. There's no evidence that's happening".

"He's also giving a confused outlook on the U.S. population growth, alternating between assertions that the country is too full to accept any more migrants and that it needs more migrants to fill jobs.

In the meantime, Russia kept reverberating over the past week, even with special counsel Robert Mueller's report now part of history. "

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-04-29/ap-fact-check-trumps-misleading-rhetoric-on-immigrants
We need more migrants with skills and who want to work; we are full up of those who require our support!! Hell, we can't support our own citizens who are incapable of supporting themselves!

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Mon 04/29/19 11:41 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Mon 04/29/19 11:51 PM
Trump, family sue banks to prevent financial documents from being given to Congress

"President Donald Trump, along with his family and the Trump Organization, has filed a lawsuit in federal court in New York against Deutsche Bank and Capital One to prevent them from turning over documents about the Trumps and their business to Congress.

Attorneys representing Trump and his family call the subpoenas issued "unlawful and illegitimate".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-family-sue-banks-prevent-financial-documents-congress/story?id=62718408

Remember when President Obama had to sue to hide his financial records from the world? Yeah neither do I. Doesn't that just ring loudly of transparency and honesty? No taxes released (as per the norm and as per trump's own promises). No agreement to face-to-face questioning regarding issues? Insisting on written questions, which allows for 100% lawyer answers in lieu of intended respondent answering and still landed a whopping number of "I don't recall" non-answers. When else has such a demand been allowed and since when do rational people sincerely believe such a demand an indication of innocence? The list goes on, and on, and on.

If Trump and his company are doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear. Trump refused to put his assets in a blind trust, so the American public ought to know whether he's using the WH to improperly enrich himself. Proving to the satisfaction of all that his dealings are completely legal and proper should help him in his re-election campaign. But, It's alright with me. Anything he can do to ruin his chances are alright with me. He seems to like screwing himself.



House panel chairman says Barr must testify Thursday

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler said on Monday that Attorney General William Barr must testify before his panel on Thursday, despite Barr's reported objections to a more aggressive format for questions planned by Democrats".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-barr-nadler/house-panel-chairman-says-barr-must-testify-thursday-idUSKCN1S52B5

Barr did not write the report Mueller did. Barr had no legal obligation to provide the report to Congress. Barr is not legally required to answer any questions he deems inappropriate or that he "cannot recall". I expect to hear this answer a lot. Nadler can do whatever he legally thinks he can do. Fasten your seatbelts this could be good television






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Tue 04/30/19 01:22 PM
64% oppose Trump's move to build a wall; On asylum, just 30% support stricter rules

"Americans by nearly 2 to 1 oppose Donald Trump’s attempts to build a wall across the U.S.-Mexico border and just three in 10 in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll support making it harder for undocumented immigrants to request asylum protection in the United States". "Sixty-four percent oppose Trump declaring a national emergency in order to build a wall without congressional approval, while 34% back him. That includes 55% who “strongly” disapprove, vs. 28% who strongly support. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-oppose-trumps-move-build-wall-asylum-30/story?id=62702683

Democrats announce an agreement with President Trump to spend $2 trillion on 'big and bold' infrastructure plan

"In sharp contrast to previous acrimonious showdowns and amid bitterly--disputed investigations, congressional Democrats on Tuesday emerged from a White House meeting with President Donald Trump calling it "constructive" and announcing an agreement to spend $2 trillion to tackle U.S. infrastructure in a "big and bold way."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democrats-split-hiking-gas-tax-ahead-infrastructure-meeting/story?id=62700887



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