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Topic: TODAY IN TRUMPLAND. PART 2. - part 2
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Fri 04/26/19 07:44 PM
US withdrawing from the UN

Awesome

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Fri 04/26/19 08:11 PM
The U.S. withdrew from the U.N. Human Rights Council. That’s not how the council was supposed to work.


"Last week, the United States pulled out of the United Nations Human Rights Council. Prior to formally withdrawing from the council, the Trump administration had expressed two concerns about the organization, namely that the members’ human rights records needed to improve and that the council focused too much on Israeli actions in Palestinian-controlled territory".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/06/26/the-u-s-withdrew-from-the-u-n-human-rights-council-thats-not-how-the-council-was-supposed-to-work/?utm_term=.b5f8118130a1


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Fri 04/26/19 08:42 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Fri 04/26/19 08:43 PM

I think its slim he wont be reelected. And I am democrat. My biggest concern is that his ego and incompetence makes us sitting ducks for nefarious dictators who stroke his ego and get their way.

I remember Obama felt pressured to totally disassociate from a PASTOR for ONE sermon about a specific event. I cant imagine what people would have expected if he was found to be making deals or trade offs, or even the appearance of, with an adversarial government.

The appearance of impropriety was strong enough for that Russian real estate deal to be nixed as soon as he took the nomination for President, imho. He put the nail in his own coffin by repeatedly bragging all the people he dealt with in Russia, INCLUDING PUTIN, and then turning back around to claim he had NO business and didnt know PUTIN. all of it is a case of him not being such a competent leader and a very unscrupulous inconsistent human in general.








Mrs. H, I'm not sure I agree with you here. With all the shyt swirling around him, and I don't look for it to get any better. It seems that a very large portion of the country has no confidence in Trump. Anything is possible, I know, but at this point with the public confidence getting lower and lower, by the day, the week and the month, I've always felt that Trump would be a one-term president. About the only way I see Trump ever making a second term, it's up to the Democrats.

Right now it seems to me the Democrats need to get up and get out of the gate. I know that there is still a good bit of time left before the next election. Trump, I hate to admit, he's on the Democrats case like stink on shyt. The Democrats need to get up and get at it. Start bringing their message. What are they going to do to bring the US back to our once proud country?

Trump has brought us down to about our lowest low. In the eyes of the world, we are a laughing stock. And Trump is the head clown. They need to start now bringing their message. Whatever it may be. I believe the only way to beat Trump is to be as dirty as he is.

They have him dead to right on obstruction. Telling his aids to defy subpoenas, that's blatant obstruction. I feel they need to move on it. And do it soon. They need to keep Trump's dirty ways in the public eye.



Poll: Trump Starts Third Year With Low Public Trust

"As President Donald Trump begins the third year of his presidency under Democratic oversight in Congress, the Pew Research Center reported Friday that confidence in the economy is stable but the American public is losing trust in the leader of the free world".

http://www.courthousenews.com/poll-trump-starts-third-year-with-low-public-trust/

Pew Research Center

"Overall, 62% say they are not too or not at all confident in Trump’s ability to work effectively with Congress; far fewer (35%) say they are very or somewhat confident in him to do this".

http://www.people-press.org/2019/01/18/1-views-of-trump-2/

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Fri 04/26/19 09:59 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 04/26/19 10:01 PM
Let me ask, if police get a warrant to search someone's home for potential kidnapping victims and finds instead a drug operation, do they not have grounds to arrest for the discovered offense, even if it was not the original suspicion? crimes are crimes, however they are discovered. It is up to congress to decide on a charge of OBSTRUCTION, COLLUSION has already been nixed as there is not definitive PROOF.

OJ was found not guilty of murder, even though a large population believed he was. But later he WAS found guilty of robbery. So absence of proof of one crime is not the same as absence of proof of ANY CRIME.

But in Trumps case, again, a charge of OBSTRUCTION (of the investigational procedure) could be supported by the TEN instances in which the investigation found.



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Fri 04/26/19 11:45 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Fri 04/26/19 11:46 PM
Coast Guard officer suspected of terror plot may be released from jail

"A federal judge has agreed to consider the pretrial release of a white nationalist military officer who prosecutors allege was planning domestic terrorism “on a scale rarely seen in this country".

http://news.yahoo.com/christopher-hasson-coast-guard-release-terrorism-221040605.html


How do a stockpile of weapons and a hit list of political and governmental officials, NOT QUALIFY AGAIN? "A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (1) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (2) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (3) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping".





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Sat 04/27/19 12:46 AM

Let me ask, if police get a warrant to search someone's home for potential kidnapping victims and finds instead a drug operation, do they not have grounds to arrest for the discovered offense, even if it was not the original suspicion? crimes are crimes, however they are discovered. It is up to congress to decide on a charge of OBSTRUCTION, COLLUSION has already been nixed as there is not definitive PROOF.

OJ was found not guilty of murder, even though a large population believed he was. But later he WAS found guilty of robbery. So absence of proof of one crime is not the same as absence of proof of ANY CRIME.

But in Trumps case, again, a charge of OBSTRUCTION (of the investigational procedure) could be supported by the TEN instances in which the investigation found.





The 10 instances of possible obstruction in Mueller report


"WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election identified 10 instances of possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump. Mueller said in his report that he could not conclusively determine that Trump had committed a crime or that he hadn’t.

A look at the 10 instances".

http://www.apnews.com/e0d125d737be4a21a81bec3d9f1dffd8

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president’s communications director didn’t sugarcoat it: The emails, Hope Hicks told Donald Trump, were “really bad.”

"They concerned an as-yet unpublicized meeting in Trump Tower a year earlier involving Donald Trump Jr., his brother-in-law, Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

The emails showed how the president’s oldest son had accepted a meeting with a Russian lawyer with the promise of receiving dirt on his father’s opponent, Hillary Clinton. Not only that, he’d been told the dirt was part of the Russian government’s ongoing support for his father.

“I love it,” Trump Jr. had replied".

http://apnews.com/215ffd4a7c25473abd5a0b1781bb947b


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Sat 04/27/19 07:07 AM


I think its slim he wont be reelected. And I am democrat. My biggest concern is that his ego and incompetence makes us sitting ducks for nefarious dictators who stroke his ego and get their way.

I remember Obama felt pressured to totally disassociate from a PASTOR for ONE sermon about a specific event. I cant imagine what people would have expected if he was found to be making deals or trade offs, or even the appearance of, with an adversarial government.

The appearance of impropriety was strong enough for that Russian real estate deal to be nixed as soon as he took the nomination for President, imho. He put the nail in his own coffin by repeatedly bragging all the people he dealt with in Russia, INCLUDING PUTIN, and then turning back around to claim he had NO business and didnt know PUTIN. all of it is a case of him not being such a competent leader and a very unscrupulous inconsistent human in general.








Mrs. H, I'm not sure I agree with you here. With all the shyt swirling around him, and I don't look for it to get any better. It seems that a very large portion of the country has no confidence in Trump. Anything is possible, I know, but at this point with the public confidence getting lower and lower, by the day, the week and the month, I've always felt that Trump would be a one-term president. About the only way I see Trump ever making a second term, it's up to the Democrats.

Right now it seems to me the Democrats need to get up and get out of the gate. I know that there is still a good bit of time left before the next election. Trump, I hate to admit, he's on the Democrats case like stink on shyt. The Democrats need to get up and get at it. Start bringing their message. What are they going to do to bring the US back to our once proud country?

Trump has brought us down to about our lowest low. In the eyes of the world, we are a laughing stock. And Trump is the head clown. They need to start now bringing their message. Whatever it may be. I believe the only way to beat Trump is to be as dirty as he is.

They have him dead to right on obstruction. Telling his aids to defy subpoenas, that's blatant obstruction. I feel they need to move on it. And do it soon. They need to keep Trump's dirty ways in the public eye.



Poll: Trump Starts Third Year With Low Public Trust

"As President Donald Trump begins the third year of his presidency under Democratic oversight in Congress, the Pew Research Center reported Friday that confidence in the economy is stable but the American public is losing trust in the leader of the free world".

http://www.courthousenews.com/poll-trump-starts-third-year-with-low-public-trust/

Pew Research Center

"Overall, 62% say they are not too or not at all confident in Trump’s ability to work effectively with Congress; far fewer (35%) say they are very or somewhat confident in him to do this".

http://www.people-press.org/2019/01/18/1-views-of-trump-2/

I doubt the democrats can even find a suitable candidate that the voters would elect. I have yet to hear a candidate put forth a policy worth even considering!!!

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Sat 04/27/19 02:04 PM



I think its slim he wont be reelected. And I am democrat. My biggest concern is that his ego and incompetence makes us sitting ducks for nefarious dictators who stroke his ego and get their way.

I remember Obama felt pressured to totally disassociate from a PASTOR for ONE sermon about a specific event. I cant imagine what people would have expected if he was found to be making deals or trade offs, or even the appearance of, with an adversarial government.

The appearance of impropriety was strong enough for that Russian real estate deal to be nixed as soon as he took the nomination for President, imho. He put the nail in his own coffin by repeatedly bragging all the people he dealt with in Russia, INCLUDING PUTIN, and then turning back around to claim he had NO business and didnt know PUTIN. all of it is a case of him not being such a competent leader and a very unscrupulous inconsistent human in general.








Mrs. H, I'm not sure I agree with you here. With all the shyt swirling around him, and I don't look for it to get any better. It seems that a very large portion of the country has no confidence in Trump. Anything is possible, I know, but at this point with the public confidence getting lower and lower, by the day, the week and the month, I've always felt that Trump would be a one-term president. About the only way I see Trump ever making a second term, it's up to the Democrats.

Right now it seems to me the Democrats need to get up and get out of the gate. I know that there is still a good bit of time left before the next election. Trump, I hate to admit, he's on the Democrats case like stink on shyt. The Democrats need to get up and get at it. Start bringing their message. What are they going to do to bring the US back to our once proud country?

Trump has brought us down to about our lowest low. In the eyes of the world, we are a laughing stock. And Trump is the head clown. They need to start now bringing their message. Whatever it may be. I believe the only way to beat Trump is to be as dirty as he is.

They have him dead to right on obstruction. Telling his aids to defy subpoenas, that's blatant obstruction. I feel they need to move on it. And do it soon. They need to keep Trump's dirty ways in the public eye.



Poll: Trump Starts Third Year With Low Public Trust

"As President Donald Trump begins the third year of his presidency under Democratic oversight in Congress, the Pew Research Center reported Friday that confidence in the economy is stable but the American public is losing trust in the leader of the free world".

http://www.courthousenews.com/poll-trump-starts-third-year-with-low-public-trust/

Pew Research Center

"Overall, 62% say they are not too or not at all confident in Trump’s ability to work effectively with Congress; far fewer (35%) say they are very or somewhat confident in him to do this".

http://www.people-press.org/2019/01/18/1-views-of-trump-2/

I doubt the democrats can even find a suitable candidate that the voters would elect. I have yet to hear a candidate put forth a policy worth even considering!!!


They have a suitable candidate in Biden. The man knows the Government and how it works. But here is the problem I see in Biden. Can he sell himself to a large population that is absolutely sick of the crooked and corrupt administration that we already have? Can he sell himself as a man that can do better? And not business as usual? People, I believe, are really wanting the stinking swamp that Trump created emptied.


What do Democrats want in a president? Part I


"ANALYSIS — Democrats have a hoard of hopefuls aiming for their party’s 2020 nomination, so what qualities and characteristics are Democratic primary voters and caucus attendees likely to value?"

http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/presidential-questions-for-the-democrats-part-i

What Democrats Want In 2020: Someone Who Can Beat Trump


"When it comes to their 2020 presidential nominee, there is one thing Democratic voters seem to agree on more than anything. They tell pollsters, campaigns and reporters they want a candidate who can beat President Trump. NPR's Asma Khalid has been asking Democratic voters to explain what they mean by that".

http://www.npr.org/2019/03/01/699514388/what-democrats-want-in-2020-someone-who-can-beat-trump

2020 rankings: It's now or never for Democrats who want to be president

"Since Monday, four candidates have made their final go/no-go decisions about the 2020 Democratic presidential race.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee is in. Former Attorney General Eric Holder, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley are out.
And the 2020 election is only 607 days away!"


http://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/2020-democrats-rankings/index.html


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Sat 04/27/19 02:09 PM
I have not seen any of the nominees speak yet and it is very early. Trump himself didn't announce his bid(this time) until June of the 2015. I think it will be another partisan vote, repubs sticking to Trump(unless they allow others to run, which they may pressure them not to) , and democrats sticking dem.

I think, like in 2016, the deciding vote will be those who are currently on the fence, or those who are just ANTI TRUMP, the way Trump got so many who were mostly just ANTI HILARY.


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Sat 04/27/19 03:02 PM
Biden seems to have risen toward the top but his emphasis is on how bad Trump is but nothing about what he could do or why he should be given an opportunity. All I can see out of Biden is more of the Obama administration and damnation of Trump. Besides the democratic progressives are never going to support Biden!!

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Sat 04/27/19 03:09 PM

Biden seems to have risen toward the top but his emphasis is on how bad Trump is but nothing about what he could do or why he should be given an opportunity. All I can see out of Biden is more of the Obama administration and damnation of Trump. Besides the democratic progressives are never going to support Biden!!



Its anybody's game. Many never thought republicans would support Trump.

I really like Biden, and feel he has much more qualification than TRUMP. But I am hoping we get younger and better candidates this time around.

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Sat 04/27/19 07:14 PM
Biden won't have enough support

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Sat 04/27/19 07:30 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/27/19 07:34 PM

Biden won't have enough support


That is EXACTLY what I thought about Trump. But one just never knows. They are on par with lack of a filter and being 'non pc', which seems all the rage nowadays.

The benefit Trump has is open bigotry and ego and billions, which make him appear as if he has talent and intelligence. The benefit of Biden is his actual political service and political experience, and his NOT being born into wealth.




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Sat 04/27/19 09:02 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Sat 04/27/19 09:03 PM
75 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

January 22, 2019 by Sharyl Attkisson

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/

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Much of what the anti-Trump devotees believe is from non-truth in the media. Add to this the We're still angry because the queen bee (Hillary) lost crowd. I didn't post all 75 because the explanations would make the post so long. Media are reporting their political points of view and trying to support their democratic buddies.

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Sat 04/27/19 10:11 PM




But you all follow FAKE NEWS and form your opinions..We know who WIKI LEAKS is and we also know their reputation..not to mention ..the Trey Gowdy story was when he was interviewing Peter Strzok..no disputing what he says in the first 5 mins..and like I said this is just the tip of the iceberg..wait til you see when the information comes out about all the pedophiles we have in our government..there's a reason Jeffrey Epstein got off so easy..What I've shown you is the TRUTH..DONE..smile2

DO THE RESEARCH


I dont follow 'fake' news.

I follow news that can be verified from longstanding sources with rules and regulations for REPORTING the news under threat of libel or slander, who answer to some authority for their authenticity and veracity.

I follow sources who have accreditation with some authority. I follow sources that specialize and focus on reporting news.

None of those things apply to FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, or YOUTUBE or other venues.

They are not SOURCES, they are platforms which DONT have verification,

They are not SOURCES, they are platforms that do not have to worry about any serious legal repurcussions.

They are not SOURCES, they are platforms where ANY random person can ramble on about ANY topic. It could be math, education, science, religion, entertainment, government, or 'news'. And there is no expectation, requirement or accountability for any of those random persons to be presenting truth.










:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Sun 04/28/19 12:17 AM


Biden seems to have risen toward the top but his emphasis is on how bad Trump is but nothing about what he could do or why he should be given an opportunity. All I can see out of Biden is more of the Obama administration and damnation of Trump. Besides the democratic progressives are never going to support Biden!!



Its anybody's game. Many never thought Republicans would support Trump.

I really like Biden, and feel he has much more qualification than TRUMP. But I am hoping we get younger and better candidates this time around.


Right now no one knows anything as far as who will be the one. So, we all can just take a guess. Biden has the knowledge from years of government service. That says a lot in its self. But is it good enough? I don't know. I can see though where Biden could be a shoe in. If he would be willing to step back and let another step into the light. ‎Beto O'Rourke and Biden run together. Biden Vice President once again. The youth of O'Rourke match with the experience of Biden. Sounds like a decent combination.

You're right. Biden does have more qualifications than Trump. But, when you get right down to it, just about anyone has more qualifications than Trump. Even Beto has more to bring to the table than Trump. Heck, all of them really have more qualifications than Trump. If some will vote for a man like Trump that has never served anyone but himself, going by qualifications only, any one of them could beat Trump.



AP FACT CHECK: Trump's torrent of twisted claims on Russia


"WASHINGTON (AP) — Russia keeps reverberating even with special counsel Robert Mueller's report now part of history.

As much as President Donald Trump says he wants the United States to move on, he's found it hard to turn away himself, as seen in a torrent of tweets and remarks railing against Democrats, trashing Mueller and painting his own actions in a saintly light.

There is little truth to be found in these statements.

A review of a week of Russia-heavy rhetoric from Trump and his team, also touching on the census and the economy".

http://www.apnews.com/bec1a7a7be8e49ab9c4188f94a4ba3d4


Trump cheers economy, criticizes Democrats at Wis. rally

"GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- President Donald Trump boasted of a strong economy and criticized his Democratic presidential opponents Saturday night as he rallied supporters with familiar themes"

http://www.apnews.com/d21b459c8d754e3d9362042e383774d1


I hate to say it, but this is where Trump is getting one over on the Democrats. He's already out there. Spreading his bullshyt and lies while the Democrats are still walking around with there finger up their butts and not getting there message out. Trump has been campaigning since he started. He's out there spreading his lies, tall tails and hateful rhetoric. Without rebuttal from the other side in the right way. They are letting him get away with too much. When you do like Trump and you lie to people long enough, say the same thing over and over again, you will finally make a lie become the truth.






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Sun 04/28/19 01:19 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 04/28/19 01:23 AM

75 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

January 22, 2019 by Sharyl Attkisson

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/

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Much of what the anti-Trump devotees believe is from non-truth in the media. Add to this the We're still angry because the queen bee (Hillary) lost crowd. I didn't post all 75 because the explanations would make the post so long. Media are reporting their political points of view and trying to support their democratic buddies.


honestly, a lot of the list is opinion pieces to begin with or he/said she said kind of stuff

or things that do require one to discern the facts in a story from the subjective perspectives of what the facts mean


and NOT the things that Trump brings upon himself, every time he tweets, opens his mouth, or speaks in front of reporters.


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Sun 04/28/19 07:04 AM
Edited by tombraider on Sun 04/28/19 07:17 AM


Here's a thought for ya..spock

How is it that when Don Jr went to gather information from the Russians on Hillary Clinton at the Trump tower it's called colluding..BUT when Hillary Clinton's Steele dossier made up from information on Trump gathered from the Russians wasn't called colluding with the Russians as well...gathering information vs. collusion..now there's a subjective perspective ..spock


HERE COMES THE PAIN

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Sun 04/28/19 07:14 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 04/28/19 07:15 AM



Here's a thought for ya..spock

How is it that when Don Jr went to gather information from the Russians on Hillary Clinton at the Trump tower it's called colluding..BUT when Hillary Clinton's Steele dossier made up from information on Trump gathered from the Russians wasn't called colluding with the Russians as well...


HERE COMES THE PAIN


It wasnt collusion. remember? The charge was interfering with US elections (through illegal means). And the potential charge is obstruction of a LEGAL INVESTIGATION

The difference in the two actions though, is that one would be DIRECT ( jr directly meeting with Russians)illegal action and the other would not (an investigator was PAID legally to collect evidence). Kind of like being here with papers, or not.


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Sun 04/28/19 07:20 AM
Edited by tombraider on Sun 04/28/19 07:28 AM


As was Hillary's as well..helping the Russians interfere with an election..whether they were considered gathering information or colluding..they both did the same thing..and here's anotgher thought..was the information on the Steele dossier even verified,,even Steele said it was raw data that he couldn't verify..so in other words..BS..lol

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