Topic: TODAY IN TRUMPLAND. PART 2. - part 2 | |
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tombraider
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Just like your numbers as you say show a decrease..and they are not decreasing and anyone can see that..just from listening to the border guards that say they aren't..and I've given PROOF of that more than once..yet you keep repeating that they have..maybe those who don't use youtube would believe that..oh that's right you don't believe in youtube..but youtube isn't my source it's the people that I watch on youtube that is.. Without these people being vetted there is no way of knowing just who is being let into this country..and we owe to the citizens for their safety to know..Not to mention you are using 2015 stats..really..I gave you 2018 and 2019 stats..2015 is so yesterday it has NO bearing on what we are talking about.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDLr-aQcgE 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlyM5Ez1VG0 ADDED BONUS And this border patrol officer was let go by Trump and still stands by what he says The President is Right:Former Border Patrol Chief Under Obama say Walls "ABSOLUTELY WORK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrY5HpFuz_0 PROOF AGAIN!! As you can see I'm using 2018-2019 stats.. are we suppose to be fooled by your 2015-2016 results..if so..it's not working..just so you know.. .. not to mention I don't use fake news fact check ..but border guards who are actually on the border and there is no better source than that!..and not the Dems who won't even accept invitations to visit the border..because then they know they wouldn't be able to deny the truth! |
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Charles1962150
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The Stats on Border Apprehensions "Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said monthly border apprehensions have returned to “previous levels” since dropping significantly after President Donald Trump took office. That’s true: There was a sharp rise in those apprehended at the Southwest border in March from a year ago, putting the figure back in line with 2016. But what about the long-term view? Apprehensions have been on a general downward trend since the mid-2000s". http://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/the-stats-on-border-apprehensions/ Trump Claims There Is a Crisis at the Border. What’s the Reality? "President Trump has frequently called the situation at the southern border with Mexico a crisis and insists that building his long-promised border wall will fix it. Here are some of Mr. Trump’s most common assertions of a crisis, and the reality of what we know about immigrants and the border". "THE REALITY Illegal border crossings have been declining for nearly two decades. In 2017, border-crossing apprehensions were at their lowest point since 1971. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/11/us/politics/trump-border-crisis-reality.html [/url 3 Charts That Show What's Actually Happening Along The Southern Border "The total number of people apprehended for illegally crossing the southern U.S. border has been steadily falling for almost two decades. It's a long-term trend that sociologists, economists, and federal officials have been tracking for years". According to the Department of Homeland Security, there is a long-term trend of fewer people being arrested or apprehended for allegedly crossing the border illegally. Most apprehensions happen along the southern border. (Years shown are fiscal years.) http://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs Illegal Immigration Statistics "There were 12 million immigrants living in the country illegally as of January 2015, according to the most recent estimate from the Department of Homeland Security. The estimates from two independent groups are similar: The Pew Research Center estimates the number at 10.7 million in 2016, and the Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. That would be about 3.3 percent to 3.7 percent of the total U.S. population in 2016 or 2015. http://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/ Speaking to Jewish Republicans, Trump calls Netanyahu 'your prime minister' "Speaking to a group of Jewish Republicans in Las Vegas over the weekend, President Trump referred to Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu as “your prime minister.” The audience consisted of Americans" "I stood with your prime minister at the White House to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights,” Trump told the crowd Saturday at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual leadership meeting at the Venetian hotel". http://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-american-jews-that-netanyahu-is-your-prime-minister-163333904.html Shake-up at Homeland Security goes beyond Nielsen's exit "WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and White House allies pressing for a harder line on immigration sped up their campaign Monday to clean house at the Department of Homeland Security with a mission far wider than just the departure of Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen. The dismantling of the government's immigration leadership is being orchestrated by Trump adviser Stephen Miller, the impetus behind some of the administration's most controversial policies, according to three people familiar with the matter. Beyond changing names and faces, Trump is considering separating migrant families at the border again, resuming the practice that drew so much outrage last year, the same people said". http://www.apnews.com/88d0c24ce4504a5fb31a0f09dca7fc89 A question that continues to bother me. Trump wants everyone to believe that our border is being overrun. Even though proof shows otherwise. Common sense says that if our southern border was being overrun, reporters from everywhere, from all over the world, would be all over it. Seems there would be a video of the hoards of people trying to get past the border. But nothing. ZERO. On occasion, you might see a still photo out on the internet and usually, the border looks pretty quiet for the most part. Mostly desolate. Somebody is lying about the border and what really goes on there. Somebody is trying to make it out to be more of a problem than what it really is. As much hoopla that has been made about it by Trump, one would think that video would have popped up by now. |
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indianadave4
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Tue 04/09/19 01:32 AM
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The Stats on Border Apprehensions "Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said monthly border apprehensions have returned to “previous levels” since dropping significantly after President Donald Trump took office. That’s true: There was a sharp rise in those apprehended at the Southwest border in March from a year ago, putting the figure back in line with 2016. But what about the long-term view? Apprehensions have been on a general downward trend since the mid-2000s". http://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/the-stats-on-border-apprehensions/ Trump Claims There Is a Crisis at the Border. What’s the Reality? "President Trump has frequently called the situation at the southern border with Mexico a crisis and insists that building his long-promised border wall will fix it. Here are some of Mr. Trump’s most common assertions of a crisis, and the reality of what we know about immigrants and the border". "THE REALITY Illegal border crossings have been declining for nearly two decades. In 2017, border-crossing apprehensions were at their lowest point since 1971. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/11/us/politics/trump-border-crisis-reality.html [/url 3 Charts That Show What's Actually Happening Along The Southern Border "The total number of people apprehended for illegally crossing the southern U.S. border has been steadily falling for almost two decades. It's a long-term trend that sociologists, economists, and federal officials have been tracking for years". According to the Department of Homeland Security, there is a long-term trend of fewer people being arrested or apprehended for allegedly crossing the border illegally. Most apprehensions happen along the southern border. (Years shown are fiscal years.) http://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs Illegal Immigration Statistics "There were 12 million immigrants living in the country illegally as of January 2015, according to the most recent estimate from the Department of Homeland Security. The estimates from two independent groups are similar: The Pew Research Center estimates the number at 10.7 million in 2016, and the Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. That would be about 3.3 percent to 3.7 percent of the total U.S. population in 2016 or 2015. http://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/ Speaking to Jewish Republicans, Trump calls Netanyahu 'your prime minister' "Speaking to a group of Jewish Republicans in Las Vegas over the weekend, President Trump referred to Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu as “your prime minister.” The audience consisted of Americans" "I stood with your prime minister at the White House to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights,” Trump told the crowd Saturday at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual leadership meeting at the Venetian hotel". http://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-american-jews-that-netanyahu-is-your-prime-minister-163333904.html AgDay: Tuesday 9, April 2019, Loss of cattle from the excess snow and rain in the north central not as bad as first reported. Couple this with China's African Swine Flu and the progress made with the negotiations with China, American farmers and pig farmers are very upbeat about the 2019 outlook. Milk prices have been held down because of excess production. Chinese milk imports will increase this year by 8%. Milk producers area happy with the presidents negotiation effects. ---------------------- But the democrat's and their media buddies will never talk about or admit to this. And President Trump gets the blame, right. |
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Edited by
tombraider
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Tue 04/09/19 02:39 AM
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First of all they know if they come here illegaly they could be separated..so that makes it their fault secondly some of these so called family members aren't family members..do they tell you that..Of course not because they always want to put a spin on it to make it Trumps fault..women and children are trafficked for sexual exploitation as well..seriously one would think after being lied to about the Russian Collusion and the Obstruction of justice by the main stream media.. One would think a person would realize those sources to be deemed unreliable and fake news reporters..ON youtube there are the border guards in your face who are reporting..and not news sources who put their own spin on it like we have seen in the past over and over again And to mention CBP head Kevin Mc Aleenan says WALLS WORK while testifying before the SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE in the site I have provided below..and how many times did the Dems say they didn't..every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM55iqlE3iQ Pay particular attention at the 2:16:00 mark..where Cruz ask him about some of these non family members with children ..but I'm sure the Dems or fake news would be quick to say Trump was separating family members..not to mention let me reiterate this if they come here illegaly they know they will be separated..if they don't want to be separated they can turn back,stay in Mexico, not come here or enter legally..again either way THEIR FAULT..not Trump's.. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 04/09/19 03:38 AM
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Just like your numbers as you say show a decrease..and they are not decreasing and anyone can see that..just from listening to the border guards that say they aren't..and I've given PROOF of that more than once..yet you keep repeating that they have..maybe those who don't use youtube would believe that..oh that's right you don't believe in youtube..but youtube isn't my source it's the people that I watch on youtube that is.. Without these people being vetted there is no way of knowing just who is being let into this country..and we owe to the citizens for their safety to know..Not to mention you are using 2015 stats..really..I gave you 2018 and 2019 stats..2015 is so yesterday it has NO bearing on what we are talking about.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDLr-aQcgE 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlyM5Ez1VG0 ADDED BONUS And this border patrol officer was let go by Trump and still stands by what he says The President is Right:Former Border Patrol Chief Under Obama say Walls "ABSOLUTELY WORK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrY5HpFuz_0 PROOF AGAIN!! As you can see I'm using 2018-2019 stats.. are we suppose to be fooled by your 2015-2016 results..if so..it's not working..just so you know.. .. not to mention I don't use fake news fact check ..but border guards who are actually on the border and there is no better source than that!..and not the Dems who won't even accept invitations to visit the border..because then they know they wouldn't be able to deny the truth! there is a better source because AN employee can only give a perception of the PART that he plays, and not the overall numbers in the system. It may APPEAR to an individual that something is true, when it actually and factually is not, EXCEPT in their extremely limited experience ... obviously. I could work at a Walmart and notice more couples coming in. That doesnt mean that just because it happens at MY PLACE OF WORK, it is uniformly happening across all Walmarts. you are using what backs up your claims, or what you think do. but even your source regarding texas and 2018 is NOT RELEVANT for the discussion of danger correlating to border crossings because it clearly mixes data, including a preface of numbers for ALL Immigrants and making a tangent about illegal immigrants, but not specifying numbers for illegal immigrants OR specifying whether they are of illegal status do to border crossing from the north, or from the south, or if they overstayed a LEGAL Visa. "The aliens, two-thirds of whom were in the country illegally, were charged with more than 650,000 criminal offenses. They have been convicted of almost 600 murders, 30,000 assaults, 3,300 sexual assaults, 9,000 burglaries, 20,000 thefts, 38,000 drug crimes and 274 kidnapings. " The above paragraph does nothing to pinpoint danger as it relates to southern border crossing. BECAUSE 1. 'The aliens' references ALL immigrants of ALL Statuses, which is irrelevant when discussing the particular danger in ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS. 2. In the country illegal' does not specify the detail of the illegal status. it could be crossing the northern or southern border or just overstaying a LEGAL visa of some sort. 3. Clearly, mentioning 650,000 'criminal offenses' , but only citing 101,000 is a nice way of amping up concerns with numbers but is misleading presentation of data, in how it relates to border crossings and DANGER. Criminal offense can mean anything things as small as underage drinking or not taking a breathalyzer. My guess is the bulk of that 650,000 number must be those types of 'criminal offenses' that did not harm anyone or cause a danger, since only 1/6 th of the alleged 'criminal offenses' are named. But that's only if we read numbers for understanding instead of politics. And that is another example of being able to present numbers to attempt to show what one wishes to show. Figures don't lie, but liars figure, they say. |
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So IF I accept your "facts" that there are less people crossing the southern border and the trend is expected to continue to decrease, THEN: we need less humanitarian aid for these people we need less health care facilities for these people we need less immigration judges to hear asylum claims we need less deportation judges we need less temporary housing facilities We can significantly reduce the costs for border detention and put that money elsewhere! Our biggest goal at the border should be to increase the efficiency of commercial border transit. that is fallacious logic. First, because the numbers had been decreasing without any of those actions taking place, so why would one assume they are needed to continue the decrease? and Second, because our facilities and aid and judges and housing facilities are not explicitly to address immigrants but the population of natives who need such services. and as our population of natives grows, there is no reason to believe we need less of any of those positions or services. You took my comments out of context!! It was specifically addressing immigrants crossing the southern border. Not what you call natives; as in American citizens. Sorry if my comments where confusing. |
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There seems to be a confusing mixing of illegal border crossings and asylum seekers. Both of these groups require effort from Border Patrol and the immigration legal system. In terms of tax money and necessary staffing, both groups add to the taxpayer costs and should be discussed from that perspective. There probably is also a difference in taxpayer costs between a parent and child seeking asylum vs two adults illegally crossing the border.
When someone crosses illegally and then asks for asylum, should we consider them illegal crossers or asylum seekers? I don't know where they are included in the statistics. Should we even accept an asylum request from someone who enters illegally? Should not all illegal crossers be deported as quickly as possible? |
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Trump's 'business ties' to Iran's Revolutionary Guards reemerge, a day after he designated it a terror group
"A day after Donald Trump designated Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) a terrorist organization, reports are reemerging of the Trump Organization's alleged participation in a scheme that likely helped the IRGC launder money to fund its interests abroad. The US government made the unprecedented move to blacklist another country’s military because, Mr Trump said, the IRGC “actively participates in, finances, and promotes terrorism as a tool of statecraft". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-irgc-revolutionary-guards-tower-baku-azerbaijan-sanctions-a8861736.html The Trump Organization in 2012 signed multiple contracts with developers of the “ultra-luxury” Baku tower. They were relatives (including the son and brother) of Azerbaijan’s billionaire transportation minister, Ziya Mammadov, considered by U.S. officials to be “notoriously corrupt,” he had awarded several multimillion-dollar construction contracts to a company run by Iran’s Darvish family, which has strong ties to the Revolutionary Guard. The Trump Organization didn’t pull out of the Baku project until December 2016, a month after Trump was elected president. The Trump Organization was paid millions by the operation to use the Trump name. The company was to manage the building when it opened. Trump Rips Firms Linked To Iran Revolutionary Guard — After His Own Suspicious Ties https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUx4v-4FeaQ |
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msharmony
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Tue 04/09/19 12:30 PM
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So IF I accept your "facts" that there are less people crossing the southern border and the trend is expected to continue to decrease, THEN: we need less humanitarian aid for these people we need less health care facilities for these people we need less immigration judges to hear asylum claims we need less deportation judges we need less temporary housing facilities We can significantly reduce the costs for border detention and put that money elsewhere! Our biggest goal at the border should be to increase the efficiency of commercial border transit. that is fallacious logic. First, because the numbers had been decreasing without any of those actions taking place, so why would one assume they are needed to continue the decrease? and Second, because our facilities and aid and judges and housing facilities are not explicitly to address immigrants but the population of natives who need such services. and as our population of natives grows, there is no reason to believe we need less of any of those positions or services. You took my comments out of context!! It was specifically addressing immigrants crossing the southern border. Not what you call natives; as in American citizens. Sorry if my comments where confusing. I am not sure then what 'facilities' we are discussing or any of the list of things that is 'speicifically' for those crossing the southern border. It would also require one to assume a clear ratio of things like 'judges' needed to suspects seen, without taking in other possibilities that perhaps a decrease in suspects only makes the need for More judges less arguable. For instance, lets say a school district has 50 children per teacher. Even if the number of enrollees decreased, it would not mean there were less teachers needed. It would only mean the teachers would have smaller classrooms, which would be a good thing, as opposed to decreasing the teachers so that we continued to have 50 students per. |
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I will come back and read this..just so happy to see old faces I know, love to you all...
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Mueller report will be released within a week: U.S. attorney general
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General William Barr told lawmakers on Tuesday that he intends to release "within a week" a redacted version of the long-awaited report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election from Special Counsel Robert Mueller". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-barr/mueller-report-will-be-released-within-a-week-us-attorney-general-idUSKCN1RL12V Rep. Nadler says 'Congress has a right to the entire' Mueller report "New York Representative Jerry Nadler, the Democratic chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Congress is "entitled to see all" of special counsel Robert Mueller's report without redactions." http://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-nadler-says-congress-entire-075938167.html Barr stonewalls Congress on Mueller report but promises edited version 'hopefully within a week' "Appearing before Congress for the first time since submitting his summary of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of the 2016 campaign, Attorney General William Barr pushed back against giving more details of the report, which he said found no collusion between President Trump's campaign and Russia". http://news.yahoo.com/barr-stonewalls-congress-on-mueller-report-but-promises-edited-version-hopefully-within-a-week-154145966.html |
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Charles1962150
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Tue 04/09/19 02:47 PM
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Young Trump judge faces charges of conflict of interest and corporate favoritism
"WASHINGTON — On Nov. 17, 2017, President Trump added five names to the list of potential Supreme Court nominations his administration might make. One of those names would become universally known the following summer: Brett Kavanaugh, the beer-loving jurist who managed to gain confirmation to the high court despite allegations of sexual misconduct and broader concerns about his honesty and temperament". http://news.yahoo.com/trump-judge-faces-charges-of-conflict-of-interest-and-corporate-favoritism-121255712.html Trump reportedly encouraged agents working at the US-Mexico border to deny asylum seekers entry, an action which would have violated US law. The president first discussed the idea during an Oval Office meeting on 21 March with senior administration officials. "Donald Trump reportedly encouraged agents working at the US-Mexico border to deny asylum seekers entry, an action which would have violated US law. The president first discussed the idea during an Oval Office meeting on 21 March with senior administration officials. Those present included Kirstjen Nielsen, who was then secretary for Homeland Security and Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel, according to CNN. Mercedes Schlapp and Dan Scavino, the president’s advisers, were also present, as was Jared Kushner, Mr Trump’s son-in-law. " http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mexico-border-asylum-seekers-el-paso-kirstjen-nielsen-a8860996.html Trump told them not to follow the immigration laws, but to do what he wanted them to do. This President asks federal employees to break laws because he told them they need to, Should be addressed by those who can check and balance? Remember in December 2018 when Rex Tillerson said that Trump asked him to do a couple of things that were illegal? The headlines then said, "After Tillerson publicly said their encounters grew rocky over Trump’s directives to do things that were illegal" in one of our country's leading newspapers. Therefore, Trump's now requesting the "border agents to break the law" comes as no surprise at all. Mr. Tillerson was so right in his assessment of Mr. Trump. It would be interesting to see if anyone in our media--any reporters mention this news article when Tillerson was so accurate in his perceptions of the real man Trump. Perhaps more people will start to put two and two together. Trump seems not that hard to figure out, once you really listen to his inconsistent messages and note his gestures, mannerisms, put-downs, impulsive firings of staff right and left. |
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msharmony
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Tue 04/09/19 03:16 PM
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There seems to be a confusing mixing of illegal border crossings and asylum seekers. Both of these groups require effort from Border Patrol and the immigration legal system. In terms of tax money and necessary staffing, both groups add to the taxpayer costs and should be discussed from that perspective. There probably is also a difference in taxpayer costs between a parent and child seeking asylum vs two adults illegally crossing the border. When someone crosses illegally and then asks for asylum, should we consider them illegal crossers or asylum seekers? I don't know where they are included in the statistics. Should we even accept an asylum request from someone who enters illegally? Should not all illegal crossers be deported as quickly as possible? There is most likely crossover, because one MUST be physically in the US to apply for asylum, asylum seekers would include all immigrant statuses. And because one can have any status to apply(within a certain time frame) the illegal crossings would also include a portion seeking asylum. I would imagine, but only imagine, people seeking asylum from persecution are generally not in a financially stable situation, which is a mandate for LEGALLY immigrating, and therefore would require the 'illegal' crossing initially to meet the requirement for presence in the US to seek asylum. I think there would be costs to deporting everyone trying to cross as well. So, I'm not sure how much of a solution that would be. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokJsjXoe7Y You want to know the truth listen to Q..or you can continue to listen to fake news..How did that Russian Collusion and obstruction of justice work out..nothing burger.Hows that so called decrease in Illegals working out again I said it was increasing and gave proof to that effect..Barr even said Trump was correct in calling for a national emergency on the border UNDER THE LAW! ..SOoop..let me tell you how this will end..it will end in a lot of traitors going to Gitmo because... HERE COMES THE PAIN .Q ..the real fun starts soon..ENJOY THE SHOW.. |
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msharmony
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Tue 04/09/19 05:58 PM
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Im thinking about starting a Youtube page with the psuedonym H.
It will include the suspicious coincidence that Illegal crossings were going down UNTIL Trump claimed there was a crisis requiring a border wall that MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR, and how some of his thousands of past business and social associates are arranging suddenly for MORE illegals to come so that his claim doesnt seem so completely fallacious, being that he is now calling for TAXPAYER MONEY to build it instead. Of course, no one with logic would believe Mexico would agree to do such a thing, let along that it would be constitutionally viable that we could ever make them. I personally put it under the same category of saying you can keep your doctor, when doctors cannot be FORCED to keep their rates and patient attrition is a part of healthcare WITH OR WITHOUT reform. It takes a bit of mental 'elbow grease' to separate the theoretical from the factual and detailed, but if one can forego such an effort, one can find links to everything and everybody and find 'lies' in just about any absolute statements. But then, I try to have more integrity than to push mere conspiracies and I try to not be a lazy thinker when listening to or reading the English language. |
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Trump news - live: President's alleged business ties to IRGC stir controversy after he brands group a terrorist organization "Donald Trump has accepted the resignation of Homeland Security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, with whom he has repeatedly clashed over his administration’s more hardline immigration policies, as he seeks more drastic action to address the “crisis” at the US southern border. A senior administration official told CNN Ms Nielsen “believed the situation was becoming untenable with the president becoming increasingly unhinged about the border crisis and making unreasonable and even impossible requests". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-updates-irgc-iran-baku-tower-tweets-today-kirstjen-nielsen-latest-a8860571.html Donald Trump’s Worst Deal "The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard". http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal Donald Trump should be fired and replaced by someone with a brain. He has not diverted his business and now he is TIED DIRECTLY TO THIS GROUP BY GIVING THEM AID. FIRE TRUMP, FIRE HIS KIDS, GET A REAL MAN IN THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. |
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Talk all the time about our southern border. But no one ever pays attention to what is happening at our Northern Border. August 6, 2018 Illegal U.S. northern border crossings up 142 percent from last year "CBS News has learned the number of people caught illegally crossing the United States' northern border is up 142 percent. Border Patrol agents apprehended 445 people entering the U.S. from Canada during the first six months of 2018; that compares with 184 during the same period last year. The northern border is very easy to cross, which was actually the original intention. But it also makes it very difficult to secure". http://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-northern-border-crossings-on-the-rise/ Now what do we do? Build a Great Northern wall? Amid the focus on immigration from the south, illegal crossings from Canada surge "While the Trump administration fortifies the southern border, concern is growing over the number of foreigners entering the US illegally across the porous northern border with Canada. People crossing the border between Vermont and Quebec have paid smugglers up to $4,000, usually payable when the immigrants reach their US destination, according to officials and court documents". http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/24/canada-vermont-illegal-border-crossings-immigration And all you can hear out of Trump and his supporters, "Build that wall". But let's build it in the wrong place. Let's build it where it's least effective. More of that backward Trump thinking. |
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So IF I accept your "facts" that there are less people crossing the southern border and the trend is expected to continue to decrease, THEN: we need less humanitarian aid for these people we need less health care facilities for these people we need less immigration judges to hear asylum claims we need less deportation judges we need less temporary housing facilities We can significantly reduce the costs for border detention and put that money elsewhere! Our biggest goal at the border should be to increase the efficiency of commercial border transit. that is fallacious logic. First, because the numbers had been decreasing without any of those actions taking place, so why would one assume they are needed to continue the decrease? and Second, because our facilities and aid and judges and housing facilities are not explicitly to address immigrants but the population of natives who need such services. and as our population of natives grows, there is no reason to believe we need less of any of those positions or services. You took my comments out of context!! It was specifically addressing immigrants crossing the southern border. Not what you call natives; as in American citizens. Sorry if my comments where confusing. I am not sure then what 'facilities' we are discussing or any of the list of things that is 'speicifically' for those crossing the southern border. It would also require one to assume a clear ratio of things like 'judges' needed to suspects seen, without taking in other possibilities that perhaps a decrease in suspects only makes the need for More judges less arguable. For instance, lets say a school district has 50 children per teacher. Even if the number of enrollees decreased, it would not mean there were less teachers needed. It would only mean the teachers would have smaller classrooms, which would be a good thing, as opposed to decreasing the teachers so that we continued to have 50 students per. |
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Yep, border apprehensions are "decreasing"!! Therefore there is no border crisis!! Must be less than some other time in history.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border-apprehensions-reach-103000-in-march/ar-BBVM0ER?li=BBnbcA1 |
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So IF I accept your "facts" that there are less people crossing the southern border and the trend is expected to continue to decrease, THEN: we need less humanitarian aid for these people we need less health care facilities for these people we need less immigration judges to hear asylum claims we need less deportation judges we need less temporary housing facilities We can significantly reduce the costs for border detention and put that money elsewhere! Our biggest goal at the border should be to increase the efficiency of commercial border transit. that is fallacious logic. First, because the numbers had been decreasing without any of those actions taking place, so why would one assume they are needed to continue the decrease? and Second, because our facilities and aid and judges and housing facilities are not explicitly to address immigrants but the population of natives who need such services. and as our population of natives grows, there is no reason to believe we need less of any of those positions or services. You took my comments out of context!! It was specifically addressing immigrants crossing the southern border. Not what you call natives; as in American citizens. Sorry if my comments where confusing. I am not sure then what 'facilities' we are discussing or any of the list of things that is 'speicifically' for those crossing the southern border. It would also require one to assume a clear ratio of things like 'judges' needed to suspects seen, without taking in other possibilities that perhaps a decrease in suspects only makes the need for More judges less arguable. For instance, lets say a school district has 50 children per teacher. Even if the number of enrollees decreased, it would not mean there were less teachers needed. It would only mean the teachers would have smaller classrooms, which would be a good thing, as opposed to decreasing the teachers so that we continued to have 50 students per. I understand that. But it still draws an assumption that there is an adequate number already, instead of the possibility that less work just means less back up of work to be done, and not less bodies needed to complete it. |
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