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Topic: TODAY IN TRUMPLAND. PART 2. - part 2
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Sat 04/06/19 01:52 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Sat 04/06/19 01:56 PM



So if Trump was to supply those tax returns to a house oversight committee and those returns where made public in some way, what should be the penalty for the committee chair? I would expect their immediate resignation at the least!!

Why shouldnt it be made public ? Dont the people have the right to know ?
I do agree there should be repremand for anything leaked from the Mueller report that should be kept classified for security issues ! But the full report should be viewed by oversight committies .



just an interesting aside, I found a cool site that actually has copies of the presidential returns since NIXON (except for Trumps)

http://www.efile.com/historic-1040-income-tax-returns-of-us-presidents-and-candidates/


As I posted,

"Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request..."

That's the law. It is crystal clear. No debate here.



Trump isn't special. Just about all presidents going way back gave up their tax returns. They had nothing to hide. Trump is a crook. And that's just the truth of it. If he wasn't he wouldn't have all these court cases pending against him.

Why One of Trump’s Biggest Legal Threats Is New York’s Attorney General


"Why One of Trump’s Biggest Legal Threats Is New York’s Attorney General "

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-one-of-trumps-biggest-legal-threats-is-new-yorks-attorney-general/

Judge signs off on shutdown of Trump Foundation after ‘pattern of illegality

"A New York judge has signed off on a deal to shut down Donald Trump’s personal charity after a lawsuit exposed a “shocking pattern of illegality”.

Justice Saliann Scarpulla approved the deal to close the Trump Foundation and split its remaining $1.7m funds between other charities.

New York’s attorney general and lawyers for the Trump Foundation will have 30 days to provide Scarpulla with a list of organizations and the attorney general’s office will have the right to reject ones it deems unfit".

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/trump-foundation-shutdown-lawsuit



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Sat 04/06/19 01:54 PM




But if ya dispute what I say go to youtube and start looking up Q ..Qanon ..shouldn't be hard to find and search..major following..several sites


I've often wondered what all this 'Q' stuff is all about, so following the advice given in previous posts I 'did the research' and discovered it is nothing more than a conspiracy theory!


“What Q stands for is military intelligence, most likely. He’s been talking to all of us. Letting us know the covert battles that are waging between the Deep State and President Trump.”

Tyler, whose last name was not disclosed to WPLG, is one of a growing number of vocal followers of a conspiracy theory, known as Qanon, that has taken hold among some Trump supporters. The theory centers around an anonymous source, Q, who is trying to tell the world about a secret battle being waged by Trump and special counsel Robert Mueller against a pedophile ring filled with celebrities and political elites who have been covertly running the United States government for decades.

There is no evidence to back the claims. Because, in reality, of course, none of this is true.

That has not stopped the conspiracy theory from gaining an online following. It’s also beginning to show up in the real world at Trump rallies and on billboards. Some people have even acted on the claims.

HOW DID THIS START?
In December 2016, Edgar M. Welch entered a Washington, D.C., pizza parlor and demanded access to a basement that did not exist. He believed the restaurant was part of a child sex ring, a conspiracy known as Pizzagate. Conspiracy theorists on Reddit and 4chan posted that readers could uncover a child sex ring in the hacked emails of John Podesta — if only one were to replace words like “pizza” with “little girl.”

Eight months later, a person going by “Q” posted for the first time on the anonymous politics message board of 4chan, among the most notorious and extreme places on the internet — and a hotbed of conspiracy talk. Even Q’s first post was riddled with standard conspiracies that never took place.

That marked the start of the Qanon theory, which has drawn on some of the themes that fueled Pizzagate.


Now that we know, we can all go back to reliable sources of info about dozy donny, like Reuters! laugh laugh laugh

I tried to warn you sir laugh
Careful going onto those sites he suggest .i.e. "Q" . My provider suggest it may contain MALWARE


I know I'm a little off topic. I don't mean to piss off any of the higher up's. But this is the truth as best as I know it. Right now Mingle is the only social media site that is still allowing people to post links that may be harmless in the start, but winds up leading someone that doesn't know any better to get their computers infected with some nasty Mal-ware. So, to the readers of this thread that might not know any better, Careful of some of the conspiracy links that are posted here. If it takes you to YouTube, but then tries to take you off YouTube to some link to some conspiracy site, like, "Infowars" or worse, all I can say is be very careful. No telling what kind of Mal-ware you may find.

OK, that's my off-topic PSA for the day.


This is your Republican Party. They like to low rate dead people. People with much better reputations that they will ever have. This is how sorry and low down your Republican Party has become. To me, this is nothing but rich white trash that's doing this. Not to mention, a low down coward and a lier that has ZERO room to low rate anyone. Much less the dead.


Roger Stone Shares Vile Instagram Post About The Late Barbara Bush


"Longtime Donald Trump associate Roger Stone defended the president’s recent attack on the late former first lady Barbara Bush with a vile Instagram post on Friday.

“Well she’s dead and he’s president- who won that one?” Stone asked in his lengthy caption".

http://www.yahoo.com/news/roger-stone-shares-vile-instagram-080146795.html

Roger Stone Goes After Deceased First Lady in Defense of Trump

"Are there constituents among the American electorate who love the trashing of dead people? If so, President Donald Trump has cornered that market. Weeks ago Trump hammered the now-deceased Sen. John McCain because he can’t get past McCain’s famous thumbs-down vote on legislation that would have taken away healthcare from millions of Americans, but more than that, our insecure president could never get over the personal slights McCain dished out regarding Trump over the years".

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/roger-stone-barbara-bush-818654/







Thats what happened to me ! I tried to go to one of his links and my service provider flashed me a warning
"WARNING" THE LINK YOU ARE ATTEMPTING MAY CAUSE HARMFUL MAL-WARE TO YOUR DEVICE FROM MALICIOUS FOREIGN ACTORS "
Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup:

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Sat 04/06/19 02:54 PM
For those of you who are actually interested in solving some of the problems in our country, I would suggest you read these articles:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/jp-morgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-needs-of-many-americans-not-being-met.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/dimon-defends-capitalism-socialism-inevitably-produces-stagnation-corruption-and-often-worse.html

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Sat 04/06/19 03:08 PM
Edited by tombraider on Sat 04/06/19 03:24 PM



https://www.exopolitics.org/qanon-is-us-military-intelligence-that-recruited-trump-for-president-to-prevent-coup-detat/


MY sources say there was no Russian collusion..and yours says there was SOooo..

WHERE'S THE RUSSIAN COLLUSION?----NOTHING BURGER CONSPIRACY THEORY

My sources said there was no obstruction..yours said there was SOooo..

WHERE'S THE OBSTRUCTION----NOTHING BURGER CONSPIRACY THEORY


My sources say to build the wall..the Dems say don't they're all good people..and now we know some are coming over the border with weapons..

So whose listening to conspiracy theories..spock


NOT TO MENTION but I will take a look at who wrote that article on QAnon I gave you up top.. check out his credentials ..DR.MICHAEL SALLA..as opposed to those news hacks in the media

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Sat 04/06/19 03:24 PM

SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.

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Sat 04/06/19 03:30 PM


SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?




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Sat 04/06/19 04:07 PM
Edited by tombraider on Sat 04/06/19 04:17 PM


Take a look at who Maduro has for a vice president Tareck El Aissami ..check out his credentials

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-venezuela-vice-president-has-ties-to-iran-hezbollah-2017-1


And then go to the articles at the bottom of the page..DEAD ARGENTINE PROSECUTOR was zeroeing in on a terrorists threat to the whole WESTERN HEMISPHERE


mot to mention things are heating up between the U.S and Russia and China


How many lives must be lost before it's enough..what if it were your family member ..your child ..spock


We can have all the EMPATHY in the world for people and we can send them all the aid we can..we can also teach them how to fish ..but eventually they have to fish and do for themselves the same way we did..Our FIRST OBLIGATION is the citizens of the the U.S and their families...and when policies put families at risk..it's time to change the policies or shut the damn door...smokin

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Sat 04/06/19 04:37 PM




So if Trump was to supply those tax returns to a house oversight committee and those returns where made public in some way, what should be the penalty for the committee chair? I would expect their immediate resignation at the least!!

Why shouldnt it be made public ? Dont the people have the right to know ?
I do agree there should be repremand for anything leaked from the Mueller report that should be kept classified for security issues ! But the full report should be viewed by oversight committies .



just an interesting aside, I found a cool site that actually has copies of the presidential returns since NIXON (except for Trumps)

http://www.efile.com/historic-1040-income-tax-returns-of-us-presidents-and-candidates/


As I posted,

"Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request..."

That's the law. It is crystal clear. No debate here.



Trump isn't special. Just about all presidents going way back gave up their tax returns. They had nothing to hide. Trump is a crook. And that's just the truth of it. If he wasn't he wouldn't have all these court cases pending against him.

Why One of Trump’s Biggest Legal Threats Is New York’s Attorney General


"Why One of Trump’s Biggest Legal Threats Is New York’s Attorney General "

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-one-of-trumps-biggest-legal-threats-is-new-yorks-attorney-general/

Judge signs off on shutdown of Trump Foundation after ‘pattern of illegality

"A New York judge has signed off on a deal to shut down Donald Trump’s personal charity after a lawsuit exposed a “shocking pattern of illegality”.

Justice Saliann Scarpulla approved the deal to close the Trump Foundation and split its remaining $1.7m funds between other charities.

New York’s attorney general and lawyers for the Trump Foundation will have 30 days to provide Scarpulla with a list of organizations and the attorney general’s office will have the right to reject ones it deems unfit".

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/trump-foundation-shutdown-lawsuit




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Sat 04/06/19 05:06 PM



SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?




You must have missed my post on page 17 about border apprehensions increasing. It is a problem and we do need some solutions! Takes both parties to make progress on the problem.

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Sat 04/06/19 05:30 PM
Edited by hardBNhard on Sat 04/06/19 06:23 PM



SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?






laugh

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Sat 04/06/19 05:42 PM
White bed sheets? that is a very optimistic view when our country is in trouble. That thought should not be considered.

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Sat 04/06/19 06:46 PM




SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?




You must have missed my post on page 17 about border apprehensions increasing. It is a problem and we do need some solutions! Takes both parties to make progress on the problem.



actually I will repost it here with my thoughts:


Although apprehensions remain lower than their peak of 1.6 million in 2000, daily border crossings have recently surpassed a 13-year high with an increase in the number of Central American migrants, largely families with children seeking asylum, coming to the U.S. border in recent months.


FIrstly, it does state TWO situations. One is apprehensions, the other is crossings. they are not the same thing.

Apprehensions deals with crossings that are illegal only. Crossings includes ALL Types of crossing, legal or otherwise.


Secondly, the paragraph is also comparing YEARLY averages to daily trends and does not state over how many days or what impact or significance that leads to when compared to other 'daily' peaks in other years.


So, to me, it is not a very helpful source of information regarding whether there is any real crisis to suddenly feel concerned with or which current resources will not continue to address or resolve.




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Sat 04/06/19 06:47 PM

White bed sheets? that is a very optimistic view when our country is in trouble. That thought should not be considered.


what bed sheets? what trouble specifically?

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Sat 04/06/19 07:14 PM


People who like Obama thought he was great. Those of us who felt he was damaging
the economy, being a goofball bowing to Arabian leaders and kissing their rings, and all the other stupid things he did --well, it just was downright embarrassing to REAL AMERICANS. Now Michelle Obama has interviewed with the Smollett trial by talking to the DA ahead of time, and as media has reported, she spoke in favor of Smollett. When will the Clintons and Obamas realize we are tired of them, their arrogance and their interference. Frankly I hope Hillary runs for office again so we can teach her once and for all that NO ONE wants her in politics.


Hmmm, I wouldnt think being a goofball, OR arrogance OR interference were really a concern for Trump supporters,

Mr. "I know more than military generals or our intelligence community"
Mr. "I have a genius IQ but don't want you to see my grades.
Mr. "Players who kneel during the anthem should be fired"

as far as the economy. Facts are facts. It totally depends upon which facts people focus on. But considering what economy WAS when he came in. I find it hard to not laugh at the idea that he was 'damaging' what he came into.







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Sat 04/06/19 09:31 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Sat 04/06/19 09:34 PM
Before you and I came along and started citing sources, about all they did, was get on here and fuss. A forum like this was meant for people to discuss the political news of the day. Not fuss. Not call people out of there name. But discuss the news of the day. And cite their sources. That's the way a political forum is supposed to be. If you can't prove what you say, your just talking.

Attorney general defends handling of Mueller's Russia report

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr on Thursday defended his handling of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on the Russia investigation, saying the confidential document contains sensitive grand jury material that prevented it from being immediately released to the public".

http://www.apnews.com/7c74fca281a8481e9383454cc296a89e


Barr writes a 20-page memo regarding how a president cannot obstruct justice. Then submits a four-page summary of a 400-page report.







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Sun 04/07/19 12:10 AM



SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?






does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?


Answers.


Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.

"Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security".


"One of the biggest misconceptions about undocumented immigrants is that they don’t pay any taxes. In his first address to Congress in 2017, President Donald Trump set the tone for his immigration agenda when he said immigration costs US taxpayers “billions of dollars a year". Two years later, he is still repeating that lie. In his State of the Union speech on Tuesday, he once again suggested that unauthorized immigrants are a burden to US taxpayers.


http://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes


Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.

"As President Donald Trump continued his weeks-long push for Congress to give him the funds he demanded for his border wall, he stressed a false claim about how much illegal immigration costs the country".


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

How do Undocumented Immigrants Pay Federal Taxes? An Explainer

"As Tax Day 2018 approaches, it is worth exploring a pressing question that is widely misunderstood: do undocumented immigrants pay federal taxes?

The short answer is yes. Many undocumented immigrants find ways to legally pay both federal income and payroll taxes even if they don’t have a Social Security number (which is normally required) and even if their income was earned by working illegally".

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/


Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits

"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034".

http://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/economy/undocumented-immigrants-quietly-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no

Trump tells his big whopper lies. And some people believe it. While others post wild conspiracy theories that only a child should believe. But grown people in the internet age would rather remain ignorant and in the dark. Trying to find their way through a dark rabbit hole. When the truth is right in front of them in plain sight. If you follow the money, whether it be Democrat or Republican, you will find the truth.

The truth I think is part of the reason that Democrats fight for immigrants, Money. Billions paid into the system by immigrants. Just think what would happen if we lost all that money? And that's the truth of it. Trump want's you to believe his lies. He wants to build a wall that we don't need so when he goes out in 2020 he will have his great wall monument to himself.






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Sun 04/07/19 01:09 AM

The truth I think is part of the reason that Democrats fight for immigrants, Money. Billions paid into the system by immigrants. Just think what would happen if we lost all that money? And that's the truth of it. Trump want's you to believe his lies. He wants to build a wall that we don't need so when he goes out in 2020 he will have his great wall monument to himself.


I think the only reason the trump wants to build his wall is because he promised it in his manifesto and he wants his term as POTUS to end with him saying, "See, I kept my promise."

However, don't forget he also promised he would make Mexico pay for the wall. All the fuss about the USA paying for it would become irrelevant if he could make Mexico pay, but that part of the promise seems to have been quietly forgotten.

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Sun 04/07/19 05:39 AM
Edited by tombraider on Sun 04/07/19 06:11 AM

Could it be because TERRORISTS are sneaking through our border..No that can't be it that makes too much sense and doesn't follow the HATE narrative...But as people bicker over the petty drawn away from logical conclusions by the brainwashing mockingbird main stream media and led by those with hate for the president and LOW I.Qs I now know why the world is in the shape it is.Understand this..when the SHTF it will be too late for you and your families to say you were wrong..but at least you are consistent..consistently WRONG


https://thehornnews.com/three-reasons-need-trumps-wall/


An ounce of prevention is worth one less angel mom or dad..spock

what will you think when it's your family member..especially a child?..One of the main responsibilities of our government is to protect the LEGAL CITIZENS of this country whether it's a popular idea or not..And after all what do you THINK you know that he doesn't I GUARANTEE he knows a helluva lot more..where do you get your info from..all the sites that follow the HATE narrative they want you to follow..like good little sheep..You all are being brainwashed..time to take the RED PILL..before it's too late

YOU are up against an EVIL that remains hidden in the shadows...smokin




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Sun 04/07/19 06:14 AM




SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?






does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?


Answers.


Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.

"Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security".


"One of the biggest misconceptions about undocumented immigrants is that they don’t pay any taxes. In his first address to Congress in 2017, President Donald Trump set the tone for his immigration agenda when he said immigration costs US taxpayers “billions of dollars a year". Two years later, he is still repeating that lie. In his State of the Union speech on Tuesday, he once again suggested that unauthorized immigrants are a burden to US taxpayers.


http://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes


Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.

"As President Donald Trump continued his weeks-long push for Congress to give him the funds he demanded for his border wall, he stressed a false claim about how much illegal immigration costs the country".


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

How do Undocumented Immigrants Pay Federal Taxes? An Explainer

"As Tax Day 2018 approaches, it is worth exploring a pressing question that is widely misunderstood: do undocumented immigrants pay federal taxes?

The short answer is yes. Many undocumented immigrants find ways to legally pay both federal income and payroll taxes even if they don’t have a Social Security number (which is normally required) and even if their income was earned by working illegally".

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/


Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits

"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034".

http://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/economy/undocumented-immigrants-quietly-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no

Trump tells his big whopper lies. And some people believe it. While others post wild conspiracy theories that only a child should believe. But grown people in the internet age would rather remain ignorant and in the dark. Trying to find their way through a dark rabbit hole. When the truth is right in front of them in plain sight. If you follow the money, whether it be Democrat or Republican, you will find the truth.

The truth I think is part of the reason that Democrats fight for immigrants, Money. Billions paid into the system by immigrants. Just think what would happen if we lost all that money? And that's the truth of it. Trump want's you to believe his lies. He wants to build a wall that we don't need so when he goes out in 2020 he will have his great wall monument to himself.







Sounds like the immigrants pay more taxes then the idiot trump does !laugh

oldkid46's photo
Sun 04/07/19 07:16 AM





SOMEONE must stop these people pouring into our country. They are like any other group of people. Some are good and honest, while others are vicious and truly outlaws. If we need a military coup here in the United States, then I feel that is the best way now to take over command and close the border. It is unfortunate when good people must suffer due to the bad...but I do not see any Dems offering to fence off a huge portion of their property, install water, bathrooms, and homes for these people. The general population can no longer tolerate most of our tax money going for supplying illegals with necessities when we have CITIZENS in need. Its time for someone to do something drastic.



does MOST of the taxpayer money go to illegals?

Is this not like making a statement that most imprisoned haven really committed crimes so shut the jails down?

Where are the numbers to justify such claims or solutions?

We already have a border, and it has been DECREASING illegal crossings ALREADY, why suddenly is it not enough?




You must have missed my post on page 17 about border apprehensions increasing. It is a problem and we do need some solutions! Takes both parties to make progress on the problem.



actually I will repost it here with my thoughts:


Although apprehensions remain lower than their peak of 1.6 million in 2000, daily border crossings have recently surpassed a 13-year high with an increase in the number of Central American migrants, largely families with children seeking asylum, coming to the U.S. border in recent months.


FIrstly, it does state TWO situations. One is apprehensions, the other is crossings. they are not the same thing.

Apprehensions deals with crossings that are illegal only. Crossings includes ALL Types of crossing, legal or otherwise.


Secondly, the paragraph is also comparing YEARLY averages to daily trends and does not state over how many days or what impact or significance that leads to when compared to other 'daily' peaks in other years.


So, to me, it is not a very helpful source of information regarding whether there is any real crisis to suddenly feel concerned with or which current resources will not continue to address or resolve.




However you want to represent what it means. Border statistics clearly show an increase in immigrants trying to get into the US either through requesting asylum at the ports of entry or after they are apprehended, or being inadmissible. February 2019 was 76,103 vs February 2018 at 36,751. That seems like a significant increase to me and that many more immigrants our government needs to deal with.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

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