Yes CS if you can get everyone to agree that the Book is full of holes and contradictions then we will have really made progress

ya all can think what ever you want

no skin off my nose

The comment is really something like

myself myself why has myself forsaken myself

I knew Jesus wasn't God,Jesus is God's son!

I wouldn't even go that far. He cries out that he is forsaken. I think he is saying that he doubts there is a God at all. That makes the most sense.

Rabbit,

put down the crack pipe before you blow your own a$$ up.


Remember Richard Pryor, man.


shhheeesh.

it may be to late

but it is not up to me to judge

after all look what paul did b4

he realized his truth

Wow guys again very insightful about the fact that Jesus felt abandoned by God which can only mean he is not God

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

I believe that he was actually referring to his followers here. He wasn’t actually speaking to God. He was saying,… “My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?”.

He was speaking to his followers asking why they didn't stand behind him when he stood up to the Romans.

The idea that Jesus died for our sins has got to be the sickest thing that mankind ever made up.

i must admit magic man

that is one way to put it

Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?


Little note on Paul for you

Rabbit,

go read Psalms 22 : now that every body has had their fun.

Sorry, but I was saving the JSH planet from a new messiah in another thread and abra was good enough to hand him his balls while I was schooling him for trying to blow your crack smokin' a$$ up.


Back to school.

Ist verse of Psalms 22 says that, " eloi, eoli, lama sabachthani" but that's not Hebrew?

OK. follow me. That Psalm was written what, 800 or so years earlier?

Well, he was singing the Psalm to the Pharisees and the Saducees. (sic)

Point being, it was something like you're doing, " neener neener neeeeeener."

You go read that before nighty night and I'm sure you'll know where the "beef" is.


mi lago.

Ok outside of everybody who thinks that Jesus just did not say those words. For the rest of you


How could Jesus possibly feel forsaken when he is God. His crying out means that he has lost faith.

Hey, crackhead!!!!

Look up and read the sign over your head.

Get with the program.

Again I say onto you. If you have a comment to make then make it. I know that I can go all over the place and hear people spout off things I am asking the people here to explain how Jesus can forsake himself.

The first verse of Psalms 22 is thusly in English, Rabbit.


Ps 22:1. My God , my God , why hast thou forsaken me ? why art thou so far from the words of my roaring ?


Get it?I'll continue until I tire....

2. O my God I cry in the daytime , but thou hearest not ; and in the night season , am I not silent.

3. But thou are holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4. Our fathers trusted in thee : they trusted , and thou didst deliver them .

5. They cried unto thee , and were delivered : they trusted in thee , and were not confounded.

6. But I am a worm (8438 strong's tola ath...a maggot, the crimson-[grub] but used only of the color from it, and cloths dyed therewith) , and no man ; a reproach of men , and despised of the people .

7. All they that see me laugh me to scorn : they shoot out the lip , they shake the head , saying ,

8. He trusted on the LORD (JHWH) that he would deliver him : let him deliver him , seeing he delighted in him .

9. But thou art he that took me out of the womb : thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts .

10. I was cast upon thee from the womb : thou art my God (el) from my mother's belly .

11. Be not far from me ; for trouble is near ; for there is none to help .

12. Many bulls have compassed me : strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round .

13. They gaped upon me with their mouths , as a ravening and a roaring lion .

14. I am poured out like water , and all my bones are out of joint : my heart is like wax ; it is melted in the midst of my bowels .

15. My strength is dried up like a potsherd ; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws ; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16. For dogs have compassed me : the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me : they pierced my hands and my feet.

17. I may tell all my bones : they look and stare upon me.

18. They part my garments among them , and cast lots upon my vesture.




I will stop there as everyone can see that this song is prophetic and from centuries earlier and known to the religious leaders of Jesus' time.


Was he singing? His song?

You decide.






At the end of the day, Rabbit, his flesh was the sacrificial lamb for sin.

But inwardly, the Living Word of God ; The part that never dies.

This is the problem you have with that saying.

ok, here is my comment before my pain med kicks in and i fall asleep on my keyboard....obviously this is not the first thread where the OP has refused to listen, has antagonized people, or keeps making the same darn comments over and over. and yet, they get the most attention. everyone gets riled up and on and on it goes. for example, the delusional thread. as i read these types of threads, i picture the OP sitting behind their computer cracking up for making everyone take the bait. eventually it goes downhill and ppl get offended.

ok, im done. i know this will do no good but i felt i had to say it. if nothing else, these threads provide me with entertainment. lol *puts back on pink tutu and hands out rolos*

good nite and sweet dreams to all!

are yours better than mine

i do not know which is worse

the lack of concentration from the pain

or the lack of thought process from the meds

I doubt he was directing this toward God. But let's say he was so I can make this theory.

God is an infallible being. Jesus is his son and God in the flesh. Flesh is material. All sin is connected to the flesh. When God cast down Lucifer, he gave him the earth and control of the sinful desires of the flesh. Flesh is is ultimately ruled by the mind. The mind creates reason and logically determines the best excuse as to why the flesh sins. The longing for knowledge was man's first sin.

The spirit's worst enemy is the mind.

Jesus took all the sins ever in existence and felt that weight on him. That weight is called guilt, shame and humiliation. When flesh feels those three burdens, the mind must form reason. The mind that felt that much burden, and a very heavy one at that, had nowhere else to look but the one who allowed this happen. That would be the One who is All.

Everyone who has sinned looked and found an excuse that was an outside influence. Combine all of it and logically there can be only one source, The Creator. Jesus felt so much sin that only the flesh could feel and the mind could calculate. If it was toward God, it was his flesh and mind speaking it and not the spirit.


But that's if he was actually speaking to God.

Yahshua is not Yahweh. he came in his fathers name.

Here we see 2 spirits..

Gen 1:26
26 Then Elohim said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
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Our image then in John.

John 1:1-9
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was Yahweh. 2 He was with Yahweh in the beginning.

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

6 There came a man who was sent from Yahweh; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
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Yahshua was the word. He was the one Moses seen knowing him as Yahweh for he came as his representive. He made all things through Yahweh as he was commanded.

Isa 64:3-5
For when you did awesome things that we did not expect,
you came down, and the mountains trembled before you.
4 Since ancient times no one has heard,
no ear has perceived,
no eye has seen any Elohim besides you,
who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.
5 You come to the help of those who gladly do right,
who remember your ways.
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Verse 4 is all telling. No one has ever seen anyone but Yahshua who came as Yahweh. He acted in our behalf.

Just what does Yahshua do now?

Phil 1:28-2:1
This is a sign to them that they will be destroyed, but that you will be saved — and that by Yahweh. 29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of our Messiah not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him, 30 since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had, and now hear that I still have.
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phillip also says Yahshua saves you on his behalf before Yahweh.

1 Tim 6:13-16
3 In the sight of Yahweh, who gives life to everything, and of Yahshua our Messiah, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Master Yahshua our Messih, 15 which Yahweh will bring about in his own time — Yahweh, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Master of Masters, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
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Yahweh is King of Kings. who alone is immortal.whom no one has seen. This is Yahweh not Yahshua.

Yahshua said himself...

John 6:43-47
3 "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Yahshua answered. 44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by Elohim.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from Yahweh; only he has seen the Father.
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He says the father draws people to him... The Father teaches you. He is from Yahweh..

Remember you learn from Yahweh..

John 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost , whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV
Holy ghost from the father will teach you all things...

1 Cor 2:11-13
1 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of Yahweh knoweth no man, but the Spirit of Yahweh.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of Yahweh; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of Yahweh.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
KJV


These Disciples could go on and do Yahshua's work because they had the same spirit Yahshua was born with and had inside him to speak what the Holy Ghost taught him..

Luke 2:46-50
After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."

49 "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.
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Yahshua as a child was full of his fathers spirit as we should be. Isn't amazing that he was gone from his earthly parents for 3 days teaching about his heavenly father. Then in his death he was gone from his heavenly father for 3 days. Before Yahweh came and got him. I see a parralel,,


Then Yahshua said he did nothing of himself.

John 12:49-50
9 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me , so I speak."
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To understand how Yahshua is not the father. He told a man of authority he had great faith..

Luke 7:6-10

He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: "Master, don't trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. 7 That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. 8 For I myself am a man under authority , with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."

9 When Yahshua heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, "I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel." 10 Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.
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This is the meaning of him being the word. Comming in his fathers name. He came with authority from his father. He is not the father but the son just like the scriptures say. He died for our sins and Yahweh granted everything on earth to him. He sent the comforter, the Holy spirit. The POWER of Yahweh that can do anything if you only believe and obey. Just like Yahshua did.

His Name does mean something and he gave us a warning of what would happen and who the people would follow.


John 5:41-6:1

41 "I do not accept praise from men, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. Yahshua means (Yahweh Saves ) 44 How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only Elohim?

45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"
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You see Yahshua was the word. He came as Yahweh in the OT. In his authority doing as he was told the same as when he came to die for us. What is sin? It is the breaking of the Law. Which was given to Moses. It is not done away. It is more than ever. Now thoughts in your mind break the commandments. I also do not think Heaven and earth has left us..

Matt 5:17-20
7 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Do you break them openly and consciencely? It is done away?

and always remember this warning.

Isa 8:19-22

19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their Elohim? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21 Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their Elohim. 22 Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness.
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This is comming upon a dying world..
Isa 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
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We are told in Rev the same thing..

Rev 19:10
I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Yahshua: worship Yahweh: for the testimony of Yahshua is the spirit of prophecy.
KJV

1 Thess 4:1-2
4:1 Finally , brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please Yahweh, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the our Master Yahshua to do this more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the our Master Yahshua.
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May Yahweh Bless His People With Grace and Compassion....Miles