if you are not a threat to the police they have no reason to shoot you.


so true. and IN AMERICA where having black skin can automatically make you more 'threatening' off the bat,,, they have plenty of reason to shoot you.

I think you are confusing threads ms harmony .. this tooic I believe is about hate .. you have been discussing thugs and police shootings on the dangerous attitude thread ... obviously a subject you are passionate about but is it really necessary to cross over threads

uh huh, no matter what most sensible people say to you on here you have your own opinion which is fine but you and I say this with all due respect, maybe you are seeing thing with rose colour glasses.

Ive given you my experience, yes I know its different visiting than living there, even though Ive had a few months stay there.

Of the 100 plus times Ive been to the USA except for the 5 visits to Mississippi including jackson I wanted to see the Medger Evans home where he lived but we wont get into what I think of Jackson Mississippi, lets just say they dislike Canadians for whatever reason I dont know how they can tell I was from Canada , I didn't find a lot people down too bright

Ive never had problems with law enforcement.

Mind you I dont dress like a thug, I actually wear my pants over my azz, not below my azz showing my boxers.

Im sure white kids that dress like thugs gets harassed too.

I also learn not to wear certain things gang bangers wear, I dont do bandanas or jerseys even when Im playing basketball either.

Maybe that is why I dont get hassled, and I stay away from certain area that I know where I could be vulnerable to either law enforcement or gangs frequent.

You've shared your story and I appreciate it but there is more to it, I dont know the area you live in and areas differ from county to country, city to city, state to state and country to country.

In my area I have fantastic neighbours , its a mixed group of people , black , white, Asian, Muslim and one Russian we rarely see cops on our street or area , I picked a great area and Ive been here a long time.

I can walk in my neighbourhood at 3 in the morning and not worry about someone calling the cops on me but I cannot say the same if I walked in Rexdale at 2 in the morning Im sure I would have police slow down and look at me or check me out.

that is just the way life is.

yes, that happens, I was discussing it elsewhere, I started this thread on hate and then someone ELSE brought up cops and Trump, I followed the flow of the conversation ,,,,

So why do so many folks on the left HATE Trump?

they seem to forgive Bill Clinton for doing the same thing when it comes to women.

Yes Trump is crude, rude and unorthodox.

but why the hatred?

I dont think there are any on the thread who hate Trump. I imagine thought that their fuel for hate is the same as anyone else's. based on what they value and how they see him measuring up to those values.

Did you say there is no one on the threads that hate Trump?

are we reading the same threads?

I think we are. I see alot who ridicule him, but nothing I recall being hateful.

Miss harmony, there are plenty of folks on here that hates Trump, they not only ridicule him they spread lies and claims he is full of hate.

There are some which I cannot name as it would violate M2 rules that actually said they Hate Trump.

okay. Although I dont consider lying on someone a matter of hate or calling out someone on perceived hate as a matter of hate either.

I would say someone saying they hate Trump speaks for itself. Maybe that person can answer why they hate him.

do you think that maybe it is because trump is so hateful of others,and uses hate as a tool for manipulating people to gain their support,and to mask his own personal insecurity?

apparently M2 rules says you cannot question them on their choice or lifestyle unless they ask an open ended question and if they ask for a pro/con scenario.

advice from a wise and fair Mod .

It's wouldn't have been gears would it?

you know what? I really DO only come on the thread and respond to the conversations as they happen. Besides a few who go out of their way to always comment about me or my posts, I dont take to memory who is saying what.

to me, it is usually 'just' a conversation with people.

perhaps you can provide some empirical evidence of Trump's hatred of ( insert whatever) then we can discuss.

If you said the Alt right as in Richard Spencer is a hateful vengeful prick I can provide all sorts of proof.

If you said provide proof that Antifa is a violent group I can provide you with actual evidence.

If you asked me to provide proof that Nazi Germany was a racist evil organization, I can provide you empirical evidence.

Saying Trump is a hateful because you take what he said out of context isn't proof.

Provide proof that he said he hates Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans and who ever else you come up with.

and before you say look at his actions, Im going to counter with He is commander in chief whose job is the protect the nation.

the floor is yours.

I can't agree with any of that^

I don't hate people I don't know.
I don't know people has nothing at all to do with hatred.

I don't have temptation to hate others, there is no reason for resisting if there isn't a trigger.

Like love, hate is an emotionally driven feeling.
Like love, hate is the extreme expression of those feelings.

I operate somewhere in the middle, the grey area.

You can dislike someone but not hate them.
You can like someone but not love them.

Emotional maturity is having control of your emotions and understanding your feelings.
Emotional balance is the ability to understand and embrace that control.

Love & Hate are words used to express positive or negative feelings and emotions.
While one may think they are feeling love, they may not actually be feeling love at all.
While one may think they are feeling hate, they may not actually be feeling hate.
What they are doing is associating positive and negative feelings with the word that describes the extreme conditions of such.

I hate poisonous green peppers.
If someone brings them into my house
I will immediately get up, grab them and throw them out the window.

I hate rap.
Rap makes me angry.
I will not willingly listen to any rap, even for someone I love.
To me, rap is filled with hatred.

Online, there are people that irritate me with all their negativity but I don't hate them.
I tend to dismiss them to their own devices and it has little affect on my personal well-being.
I can always just kill the connection.

Hate is a word used most often by people that are in a negative mindset.
Since most of society operates from media driven clues and media makes the most money from negative things, most people are negative.
Hate becomes a common descriptor.
Likewise, for contrast, Love becomes a common positive descriptor.
Reality is usually somewhere in between, a grey area.

I guess it is all in perception, per usual.

for me, the difference in dislike and hate is like that between like and (romantic) love, it is in the level of passion or obsession with which the emotion is felt, the amount of 'rise', lets say, it gives the person.

This is where the quote rings true for me. I must get to know someone to develop passion for them on either extreme.

and in alot of ways the extremes work the same. once we develop a passionate dislike of someone, we often are not willing to, interested in, or able to see what it is we might like about them.

and once we develop a passionate like of someone, we are often not willing to, interested in, or able to see what we might not like about them.

Both extremes are equally blinding, imho, but love is my preferred blindness of the two.

I think Maxine Waters has a lot of hate in her heart.
Imagine that.

I dont know if I agree with that Tom.

and this is my own personal opinion not fact, Hate is fine and hating a person is fine because if you can hate a person you have the ability to love a person, its better than being apathetic and it shows discernment.

I believe racial hatred is evil and wanting to wipe out a race because of its is unconscionable , why people who hate racial generally show a lack of discernment

I hate racists, rapists , child molesters and thugs ,they are evil people and I dont have it in my heart to forgive them or be empathetic to them, I hate them with every fibre all of my being.

Am I out to do them harm? no , the exception if I witness them doing a crime and someone life is at stake.

I think hate is a good thing for the right reason and those that claim they dont hate I would question their discernment

just my opinion.

I agree, it is perception, most emotional states are based on perceptions.

I think of it like a scale where love is one extreme and hate is the other. When there is dislike for someone or something it lands on the negative side of center towards hate. As you learn more about that person or thing, it slides deeper into the hate which causes people to associate it/them with hate.

The negative slide towards the extreme hate might be said to be a condition of hating. As the dislike continues to gain momentum it gets closer to the extreme and people will classify it as hate long before the dislike actually reaches the extreme end.

Likewise, the positive slide towards love is the same condition.

What is terrible to experience is when like for someone is close to the love extreme and something causes a negative slide towards hate. Often, that negative slide towards the other extreme is very rapid. It will often slam into hate and bounce back from the extreme but stay in the negative side. Sometimes, sadly, it doesn't bounce back.

The centerline (where I seem to be lately) is indifference. Indifference is not a fixed point, it fluctuates between like and dislike. My passions push the baseline like gain, in one direction or the other. I find my baseline resides on the loving, positive, side of the scale.
I believe most people exist on the loving, positive side of the scale.