Topic: Hate
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Thu 06/28/18 06:13 PM

How does it change anything by hating for past actions?


because you cant hate for future actions?


It only changes the hater by leading to perpetual anger and bitterness.




if one is consumed by it yes, most are not consumed by it.

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Thu 06/28/18 06:17 PM


How does it change anything by hating for past actions?


because you cant hate for future actions?


It only changes the hater by leading to perpetual anger and bitterness.




if one is consumed by it yes, most are not consumed by it.



you didn't answer the question:

How does it change anything by hating for past actions?

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Thu 06/28/18 06:29 PM
Edited by diserli_gears on Thu 06/28/18 06:30 PM



What about a man who rapes and murders adult women?

there are included but I only gave you one example of why people hate



It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who thinks he knows everything.


cant have a discussion without some who starts off criticizing a person vs their idea


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Thu 06/28/18 06:31 PM



you didn't answer the question:

How does it change anything by hating for past actions?


it doesn't, and I said most are not consumed by it.


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Thu 06/28/18 06:32 PM
lol no answers, only static

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Thu 06/28/18 06:34 PM
Ive said it three times... IT DOESN'T and most are not consumed by the hate.

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Thu 06/28/18 06:35 PM
It's wasted time and energy to hate, disruptive to the soul.

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Thu 06/28/18 06:40 PM
Edited by diserli_gears on Thu 06/28/18 06:45 PM

It's wasted time and energy to hate, disruptive to the soul.


that is your opinion,Im not going to attempt to sway you from your decision, just like you are not going to attempt to sway me from my opinion.

My opinion on hate is its healthy to hate, because when you hate evil, one develops discernment skills.

Im pragmatic Galaxy, I know there are evil people out there, they dont deserves my respect, compassion, empathy.

where its not healthy to hate if it consumes and requires you to act on harming someone, that negative energy is draining.

Most people who hate someone wants nothing to do with that person, they dont want to go out and harm them but if they meet an untimely demise they wont shed a tear either.



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Thu 06/28/18 06:45 PM
Hate and discernment can be mutually exclusive.

People with discernment don't have to hate.

People without discernment don't have to hate.

Hate is a choice, the same as love.

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Thu 06/28/18 06:52 PM
Edited by diserli_gears on Thu 06/28/18 07:00 PM
hate is a choice, I agree
there are people with discernment that does hate.

A good friend of mine lost his daughter( my goddaughter) to a drunk driver, who also killed her best friend and mother.

He hates that man.

That man that lost his wife and daughter , his family hates that man.

Are you telling me that he has no right to hate?

I have empathy and compassion for my best friend and his wife, and the man who lost his wife and daughter, I have no compassion for that drunk driver.

I hate that man, I chose to hate that man, the difference is the hatred for that man doesn't consume us, we are NOT going out of our way to harm him, but if one day something happens to him none of us will shed a tear.

If that makes me a horrible person in your eyes , well I honestly dont care.

I cant imagine that poor fella that lost 3/4 of his family because of one drunk azzhole who was convicted twice of DUI even feels like as I dont have children.


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Thu 06/28/18 07:02 PM
Edited by GalaxyStarz on Thu 06/28/18 07:03 PM
He's choosing to stay angry and bitter.

Only hurts him.





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Thu 06/28/18 07:06 PM
my friend and his wife not so much they have their other son and that is what keeps them going, but I see the sadness from time to time, not bitterness or anger.

The other fella, we check in from time to time doesn't appear to be bitter and angry but he hasn't dated or wanted to meet people either.

He is just a workaholic, but I really dont know.


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Thu 06/28/18 08:00 PM
So timely....






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Thu 06/28/18 08:34 PM
except love didn't end world war 2, the cold war and the fight against terrorism

And love will certainly not stop senseless violence of innocent people.


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Thu 06/28/18 10:15 PM

except love didn't end world war 2, the cold war and the fight against terrorism

And love will certainly not stop senseless violence of innocent people.





Obviously you have a very different understanding of the meaning of love.How can you claim to love someone or some ideal and then act in a senseless and violent manner ?

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Fri 06/29/18 07:02 AM
Edited by diserli_gears on Fri 06/29/18 08:00 AM





Obviously you have a very different understanding of the meaning of love.How can you claim to love someone or some ideal and then act in a senseless and violent manner ?


Except Im not acting in a senseless or violent manner, Im not advocating killing my enemies I hate.

Knowing who my enemies are that I hate has nothing do with who I love or ideals I love.

If you've read what I actually posted Ive made it clear from the get go, I dont go out of my way to harm them, I just dont care what happens to them.

There are many people I dislike or despise, Politically Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau etc, I dont to want to see any harm to them , and if they met an untimely demise I would feel sad briefly.

But my enemies I hate like that one fellow the killed my goddaughter, or this Jailed Army colonel who raped and killed my assistant sister I do hate and if they met an untimely demise I wouldn't shed one tear.

NOT ONE TEAR.

I believe one can love and hate at the same time, but that is an individual thing not all individuals have the ability to do so.


Just because you cant , doesn't mean others cant.

That was my point.

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Fri 06/29/18 08:24 AM



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Obviously you have a very different understanding of the meaning of love.How can you claim to love someone or some ideal and then act in a senseless and violent manner ?


Except Im not acting in a senseless or violent manner, Im not advocating killing my enemies I hate.

Knowing who my enemies are that I hate has nothing do with who I love or ideals I love.

If you've read what I actually posted Ive made it clear from the get go, I dont go out of my way to harm them, I just dont care what happens to them.

There are many people I dislike or despise, Politically Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau etc, I dont to want to see any harm to them , and if they met an untimely demise I would feel sad briefly.

But my enemies I hate like that one fellow the killed my goddaughter, or this Jailed Army colonel who raped and killed my assistant sister I do hate and if they met an untimely demise I wouldn't shed one tear.

NOT ONE TEAR.

I believe one can love and hate at the same time, but that is an individual thing not all individuals have the ability to do so.


Just because you cant , doesn't mean others cant.

That was my point.



No one has accused you of acting in a senseless or violent manner or even advocating such behaviour.My question was rhetorical not an accusation.What you have categorically stated is that love will not stop senseless violence.I do not agree with with that statement.What you believe you are capable of and assert that I am incapable of has little bearing on the validity of your statement.In my opinion Hate is the antithesis of Love and one cannot love and hate simultaneously,I may be wrong.

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Fri 06/29/18 08:40 AM
Edited by diserli_gears on Fri 06/29/18 08:43 AM


What you have categorically stated is that love will not stop senseless violence.I do not agree with with that statement.


and that is fine that you dont agree, you are entitled to your beliefs , I haven't said it was wrong or right, its your opinion.



What you believe you are capable of and assert that I am incapable of has little bearing on the validity of your statement.In my opinion Hate is the antithesis of Love and one cannot love and hate simultaneously,I may be wrong.


like I said we all have our beliefs doesnt mean its right or wrong.

I disagree that Hate is the antitheses of Love, hate is a choice and as humans we have free will , but as humans we are not equals or have equal abilities either.

I dont know you but I suspect that you and I share at least one thing in common is we value human life, the difference between you and I is I dont consider all human life worthy, and this is where my hate comes in

I know I'm repeating myself and I apologize ,as you know I dont have empathy or compassion for a small group of the population that intentionally hurts another human being.

You have the ability to turn the other cheek and I commend that, where is I dont have the ability, well its more like I dont want to have the ability to turn the other cheek.

As your friend galaxy has pointed out hating someone for past actions isn't good, well that is her opinion.

I personally believe and Im not a clinical psychologist but there are different levels of hate, one that consumes you isn't healthy and one that is instrumental in one developing discernment skills is healthy.

Just like there are different levels of love, I love my parents, grandparents, brother and sister, my niece, my friends, travel, the Toronto Maple leafs and scuba diving but I'm not romantically in love with them

Different levels of love, so if there are different level of love wouldn't it stand for reason there are different levels of hate?

Remember that is my belief.

If Im wrong and I could be ,Im open to learning as maybe I dont see something you've seen.




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Fri 06/29/18 08:51 AM
Hate is natural.
Hate is common.
Hate is not healthy.
One can learn discernment without hate.
Hate is the extreme end of the scale.
One can be aware of the evil in the world without hating it.
Disassociation, disgust, anger, mistrust, despise and all the other similar words used to describe negative assessment are not the same as hate.

Hate, being a negative mindset, cannot yield positive results.
Hate has no compassion.
Hate has no tolerance.
Hate drive vengeance.
Hate seeks to destroy.
Hate consumes.

When someone thinks they exist in a constant state of love or hate they are deluded.
Life seldomly operates in extremes.
Thinking hate is beneficial is pretty twisted.

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Fri 06/29/18 09:00 AM

Hate is natural.
Hate is common.
Hate is not healthy.
One can learn discernment without hate.
Hate is the extreme end of the scale.
One can be aware of the evil in the world without hating it.
Disassociation, disgust, anger, mistrust, despise and all the other similar words used to describe negative assessment are not the same as hate.

Hate, being a negative mindset, cannot yield positive results.
Hate has no compassion.
Hate has no tolerance.
Hate drive vengeance.
Hate seeks to destroy.
Hate consumes.

When someone thinks they exist in a constant state of love or hate they are deluded.
Life seldomly operates in extremes.
Thinking hate is beneficial is pretty twisted.


Hate isnt natural, hate is a choice one learns
Hate is common, okay
Hate is not healthy, I dont agree , I agree if it consumes you its unhealthy

can one learn discernment without hate? of course, I did say hate is instrumental of learning discernment skills

I agree hate has no tolerance, compassion, no arguments there

but for the rest , we will agree to disagree

Like I said to Goingforasong, I commend him and others that has the ability to turn the other cheek

But and I say this with all due respect individuals are unique and not everyone has the same abilities and why we look at things differently, you may not be able to hate and function, but I can and others like me has and I live a very good productive life even with my "flaws" of hating.