how do you 'force' a parent to support a child? Lock them up? thats not gonna help them with supporting kids? Charge them fines for money they dont have? And while we try to figure out how to 'force' blood from a stone, what is a 'civilized' society to do for the kids?

Do you just feed your kids beans and rice? do you think thats a balanced diet for kids? really? so becasue parents are too poor, they should only be able to eat beans and rice.

medical ALREADY requires a copay IF there is income. Section 8 is vital to try to give kids shelter.

I just hope the people up on these pedestals never get knocked down themselves although I know most of them think they are above it ever happening or ever needing anyone's help

because I have seen karma be a real witch.

mmmmmm ,,, ooh, when that pedestal breaks ....

A couple of solution ideas:

No more office visits for determining assistance qualification.
The case worker goes to the residence and meets with the family, assesses the actual need, available resources and offers first-hand counseling for budgeting those exact conditions the family faces that makes them think they need assistance.

Personal follow-up visits (unannounced but during normal business hours) to assess the progress of the effectiveness of the assistance and the counseling. Including personal visits to places of employment, meeting with doctors and talking with the neighbors.

I don't know how anyone else thinks about it but if someone is helping me, they are my friend and I am beholden to them.
When I needed assistance, I wish someone would have come to my home and helped me figure out what was wrong and give me pointers on how to do it right using what I have.
That is exactly what I do when my kids need some help managing life.

Miss Harmony

Do you believe welfare moms should be able to have as many kids as they want?

the only means of support is just welfare.

I think one child on welfare is enough.. pregnancy can and should be avoided if you are not in a position to support your offspring .

I think women should be able to have as many kids as they want, period.
I think they should choose to consider theirs and the fathers resources together if they are going to have kids.
I think welfare should have a cap to the amount one is starting with until they are able to get off of it. And then start over.

That means if the woman starts with assistance for two and has a third during that time, she continues to get the assistance to split between the two. Working women have as many kids as they choose to, but budget the additional on what they are making. I feel that if a woman is able to get off of welfare. The slate should be fresh. if at some point she finds need of assistance, it should be once again be based upon need at the time of application.

I have a son and a daughter.

I'm already a grandmother. I know what it takes to raise a family because I have. My grandkids are in a 2 parent home but people have seen the gravy. Most are having kids out of wedlock and letting the govt pay the bills. A friend of mine just got her 3rd illegitimate grandchild. She left Friday for a nice vacation in Mexico. She works in labor and delivery so she sees how it's done. Why would they pay $10,000 or more in medical when they can skip marriage and send the bill to the govt?

so you believe welfare moms should have as many children as they want, but Welfare should have a cap until they get off it? okay

And think inter generation welfare recipients will get off of welfare because there is a cap?

how many unwed moms even know where or who there baby's daddy is? and what happens if the baby's daddy is in Jail or worse Dead?

Do you believe in Santa Claus and Unicorns too?

As a single divorced parent for Years, I was blessed to get a job. Actually I worked on more than one job because I was trying to get Work.
I have had hard times!

Anyway lazy people don't want work! So who takes up for that behavior!!

Having children doesn't mean a woman cannot work. Get child support, unless the Dad is deceased. Even then if he has worked a woman can get social security benefits I think.

Plan a family, have a family by accident, get to Work and support the kids.

I also think that anyone on assistance should be required to provide dated, printed receipts to account for all the 'monies' provided during benefit reviews. Including verification of dr visits, Rx fills, utility bill status (showing usage), section 8 rent copays, etc...

Its strange how when you have an expense account or a budget in a job, people have no problem providing receipts to get their reimbursement checks or to show they are staying within the company's budget. Yet that same accountability is ignored by the welfare programs?

If anything, somebody getting public assistance from the taxpayers should require utmost accountability. Its public money.
Nobody seems to have a problem making the government accountable for its spending habits. Its not 'free money', its tax money.

but what about the third child ms harmony .. your whole point to benefit support is the children ..and I agree they should be .... but the adult .. they need to show accountability .

No one disputes there are legitimate cases who deserve assistance but there are many more who take advantage of a system that lets them .

I think if one is ever able to get on their feet, they dont CHOOSE to go back to scrapping off of welfare.

I dont know how many unwed moms know who the baby daddy is or if all married moms are married to the baby daddy for that matter, nor do I knwo what that has to do with what I was posting.

No. I dont believe in Santa or Unicorns. I do believe in how difficult it is to raise kids ALL BY ONESELF. and I do know that over the course of up to twenty years, all types of crap can knock folks down to where they need a little help

Queenie, I dont know if I agree with that, I dont think its about the costs of raising children that is the issue, the issue is welfare cheats and those that abuse the system .

Most people know raising children is not easy , but when it comes to those that have children and thinks its their right to have children because they can procreate but doesnt think of the economic consequences and then relies on government assistance because they dont want to take responsibility .

I think that is what most people's beef is

If they aren't... Lol...are you kidding me... they are not around.. they never had any intention of being around. and a majority of these sperm donors have more then one kid.. with more then one woman. They too find their way to the welfare roles.

Stop acting like this is news to you. This has been the standard for generations and all the spinning in the world won't change that.

Sorry it had to be the African Americans would lead this category ( by far).. but.. well.. it is. For Christ's sake the black community has brought up this very same topic countless times to try to do something about it. So you are denying the very same thing that your leaders are acknowledging...

Family structure....responsibility for your own actions.. accountability,... not there.

Do something about that, as it IS THE CORE issue here.

A local woman was arrested last week after leaving her children home alone while she was at work.

http://wcti12.com/news/local/woman-arrested-after-leaving-children-home-alone

Police: Mom arrested after leaving 2 kids home alone while at work

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/police-mom-arrested-after-leaving-2-kids-home-alone-while-at-work

A Spotsylvania mother has been arrested after deputies say she left her two toddlers home alone, locked inside a bedroom, while she was at work.

https://wtvr.com/2017/11/17/mother-accused-of-leaving-toddlers-home-alone-locked-in-bedroom/

Mother leaves child home alone while she goes to work, police say
https://www.click2houston.com/news/mother-leaves-child-home-alone-while-she-goes-to-work-police-say

Where do you think the kid(s) are, now that mom is in jail because she didn't/wouldn't take welfare?

Accountability and responsibility are part of what it means to be an adult.
Accountability and responsibility is very important in being a parent.

An accountable, responsible adult does not continue having children they can't take care of.

For those that 'think' they get no government assistance with the costs of raising a child are forgetting the tax breaks they are afforded. The fact that exemptions and child tax credits exist is a form of government assistance. Nobody with a family pays full taxes.

Edited for off-topic.
Kindly refrain from making demands on posters to
authenticate their opinions. Everyone's opinion
carries the same weight.

soufie
Site Admin

and I do know that over the course of up to twenty years, all types of crap can knock folks down to where they need a little help
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And again for the countless time.( from many posters) no one is arguing with that or with helping kids. No one. We all have kids and know how precious they are. The argument is with people blatantly abusing the system. In many cases generations of them. That is not "a little help".. that is knowingly working the system. As in staying on welfare and containing to have kids and baby daddy's getting away with not paying for what they created. All while the taxpayer pays for their deeds, continuously.. for years and years.

that is the argument here.. not caring for kids or helping out those who have temporarily fell on hard times. Nobody here has or had a issue with that.

this is the argument from people who HAVE NEVER been on any form of welfare and dont know what they are talking about. There are caps to how long any person can have cash assistance and stamps are measly at best. The person who can 'milk' that is a fraud with real resources who should be prosecuted.

but it is a stretch to say people are being fraudulent about their need just because they have one or two nice things, or video games or even a frigging flat screen.

hitting hard times should not mean people demand that one has literally NOTHING to show for themself or to be able to enjoy within their life. and it sure sounds like with all the generalizations and condescending stereotypes, this is much more than just about the 'fraud' cases that may happen and alot more about trying to dog the whole system because of a jealous foundation of 'if I dont have it why should you'