Feral,

You surely know the difference between 'propose' and 'impose'.

Now, I cetainly don't presume to have your permission to suggest anything to you, but I'll 'write' out loud, and wish that that somehow you might read (hear) something.

You believe what you believe, and you say it, and that's 'proposing'! People read your words and decide for themselves freely. And as you've repeated too many times to count, you don't care what others believe.

Now, start putting your money where your mouth is.

Say your beiefs (propose), and then move on.

It's when you explain, and try to prove your beliefs, that you lose people. It gets awfully confusing. And I'm sitting there, wondering, '...Why doesn't she quit while she's ahead...'.

And then you the imposing begins, ... and my god this ,
... and my god not that, ... and evolution this, ... and creation not that, or is it the other way around, I can't remember any more!!! IMPOSE!!!

Take 'rabbit's premise for example:

'... God created everything, so god created evil...'.
Now he can believe that, and he can say that, right?!?!? That is what you say all the time.

Now, your turn. '... I, Feral don't believe God created evil, I, feral, believe god is the creator of all that is good (or something close to that)...'

And then rabbit might come back with: '... well what do you make of this and that...'

And you would come back with, '... well I see that, that is your belief rabbit, and I respect that (because that's what you claim),
... and you would go on to say repeat, '... You see Rabbit, I (Feral) don't believe God created evil, I (feral) believe god is the creator of all that is good (or something close to that)...'

Anything else Rabbit? And then Rabbit might reply something like: '... how come you always answer the same thing???' ,

And you would reply: '... Because as you believe what you believe, I believe strongly in what I believe...'

And that would be it!!! Spirit would handle the rest, and I wouldn't need to come in here, and write aloud, and all that stuff!!!'


BUT NO!!! Feral just has to impose, and impose, and then impose some more, her exact beliefs, on everyone, and it ends up all falling apart.

Your explanations make no sense. And worse being, you don't have to offer any.
The choice of action should clear, no!?!?!

You end up with god created Satan, but didn't create 'evil'.

Fine so 'FuddleFace Satan' created his own evil, and all evil let's say.
But then God fired him from heaven, or at least allowed that he no longer be in this place close by, where God would have kept an eye on this bum's evil deed.

But no.

He choses instead to let him lose with all his evil fireworks, on a cute little planet full of vulnerable and 'imperfect humans, according to your silly explanation.

Well that makes big daddy a pretty big COWARD at best, wouldn't you say!!! At worst, he's just a sadistic megalomaniac.

I mean he knows everything. He knows the evil this 'red face Hannibal' is going to spread, the suffering that it is going to cause, and yet HE, according to your silly explanation, YOUR GOD CHOSES, ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF, IN HIS GRAND GODLY SPLENDOR, TO CHOSE THAT SCENARIO!!!

What next, feral, are you going to tell us that HE had no choice, that it was Satan's choice?

Well HELLO, aren't we dealing with GOD here!!! Couldn't he just let Satan THINK he was god, and just keep him close by, under tight supervision, like any parent would do with their children.

You see the mess feral, when you start explaining a belief, which by definition, only exists without explanation, everyone starts picking at the explanation and forget the essence of your belief???

IMPOSING just desn<t work. And it never ends.

All that, just because you insist on IMPOSIONG YOUR VIEW ON ALL AND EVERYTHING!

HONEST, Propose! Don't IMPOSE!!!

Can you believe that, I actually coaching a 'fundie'. Who would have 'thunk' it!!!

OK, that's enough writing aloud for tonight.


... unless!!!

V,


are u falling in love?










what?

Thanks voileazur I hadn't thought about the fact that God let Satan loose on all of society after he turned bad. God is worse then I thought he was. He is not only the source of all evil he also is mean.



Ok what about the fact that God the Loving, created a Burning searing hell were he sends his stray loved ones to suffer for eternity in a painful pool of despair. isn't that a little sadistic?

no one can argue with pure truth

I still love the voile......even if he is an AA....and when someone puts a direct question to me I will respond with a direct answer....and I won't ***** foot around....cuz if they ask they shall receive....

So did This loving God also not create the searing burning hell where his lost children are sent to suffer for eternity?

Yes that is extremely sadistic.

And what purpose would it serve outside of sadism?

If God is just raising human pets to be his servants for all of eternity there isn’t any reason to send those who don’t make his list to an eternal torture chamber. That would be worse behavior than even Adolph Hitler was capable of.

All God would need to do is to let those who don’t make his list die when they die. No need to torture them for eternity. This concept was obviously made up by men to scare the hell out of the masses to control them.

No all-wise, all-powerful, all-loving god couldn't possibly be this sadistic.

Therefore the religion has to be a lie. It’s not the true picture of God. Such a God would be a demon for sure! It’s a grossly sick demented picture created in the minds of sick demented men. It’s a myth that should have been discarded eons ago.

Chrisitanity is just Satanism in disguise.

That is a lie from Satan himself. He does not rule a kingdom...Miles

Well at least he got a plug in the Bible.

So you don't believe in Satan?

I'm confused too. Terrible burning sulfur for eternity is what I hear the loving God has to offer through his creation Satan. So Does Satan exist but not Hell?

Free will is the basis of truly creating love. Satan had free will and chose himself.

When you have children you try to offer them the best love hoping they will choose wisely, but you can't force them to.

Hell was made to house fallen angels. It is their domain. If you don't let God rescue you from Satans control that he has on the earth those spirits simply 'take you home' to be their plaything.

Satan is the Elohim of this world. He can go back and forth to the heavens where he speaks of the wrongs Yahweh's children are doing. As in Job. Death is like sleep. This is said over and over.When the thief on the stake was told today u will be with me in paradice. What did that mean? Yahshua is the 1swt born of the dead. When the comming of messiah comes the dead rise 1st. Do you have any knowledge of time when you sleep? Same is true with death. The next thing the thief will know is messiah's comming back. Like he had just woke up. No knowledge of time. Even in todays science they have found out that at the moment of death and at the time of a deep sleep the brain releases the same chemical. Satan is real and could be anywhere.. Blessings ..Miles

Just to add Miles. Satan is not omnipotent as God is. he is a 'being' with many under him. Satan oft times is made to sound like an evil Santa Clause who doen't exist in an actual conscience. This fact makes it more real, the refering to the work of Satan is just an ackowledgement of his authority over the army of his dark spiritual forces.

Just a point.

You miss the question so here it is


Why did this loving God create an ever burning hell?



2nd I call anything that would allow somthing to suffer by burning for eternity sadistic

so God is Evil

God created the earth "and it was good". Satan took over when he stole "dominion' from man. Satan has done quite a bit of remodeling in the last few thousand years.

If God is sadistic he would not try to save you, he would create chaos, essentially hell. Satan has 'become' sadistic, he's the one who took the earths core and made it into a torture center.

So you are saying there is something that God did not create? -that being hell

When satan rebelled against God....God cast him to the pits of hell for 2000 years...So again satan created the evil and the hell that will be his final place to reign forever and ever and ever. Right now satan is here on earth reeking havok to all that open there heart for him to enter....satans only wish is to get all to hate God....but in the end he will loose...and no one knows scripture as well as satan does and he knows his time is limited.

That doesn’t justify sending them to eternal torture if they don’t follow your lead. Especially if you play SILLY GUESSING GAMES with them!

What parent would give birth to a baby and then run away and hide expecting the baby to accidentally choose the right book and make all the right choices on it’s own?

There is no reason whatsoever why any person should believe in the Bible. None period. In fact that are many reasons why a person should reject the book as clearly having been written by men and not having anything at all to do with any supreme being.

If you wrote a book for your kids to follow and left it up to someone else to give it to your kids, and when your kids saw the book they rejected it as not possibly having been from their parent. Could you blame them for that?

Surely not!

If you had to blame anyone you’d have to blame yourself for not having written a more convincing book! And for not BEING THERE when you children NEEDED YOU!!!!

Such a God would be an abusive parent guilty of abandonment and neglect, and playing stupid games.

Satan didn't "create" the landscape. He stole the land and turned it into somthing he intended for torture. Satan distorts that which 'already exists' in ALL aspects, he actually'creates nothing, but he can pervert.

Like purchasing a home. you didn't make it but it sure as heck is yours now to do with as you please.

It's not mystical at all, hell is a physical location with 'spiritual' beings.