seriously, there needs to be a word to describe people who think that the evolutionary process was divinely guided..we have creationists on one side,evolutionist on the other,agnostics on neither, and ______ on both!

We are all friends and that is good . However , in 2008 and beyond ,we should always ask for logic and scientific proof whenever and wherever we discuss a topic of a certain magnitude of importance . No one is saying this is an easy topic : far ,far from it !. Unfortunately and Alas no one knows for sure who created whom and when it all started for humans and no humans alike . All the guessing is a hard effort to find the answers to what might have no human answers at all !.
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Pantheist believe that everything is divinely guided.

Can't have it both ways....because if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in the creator which would leave far far to much out of the equation........I wish I could find my original posts on this.......

I think God created evolution.

creative answer for sure

Evolution is basically the ability of living organisms to adapt to thier changing enviroments. This is evidence of Gods foresight and wisdom.

Very true but no way one species can become a whole other species....don't buy it...never will....within a species yes.......but no way I am from an ape...and if were the case...then why are both still alive and kicking....the whole thing is nonsense.

We agree - I speak of a species evolving within its on species, not evolving into another whole species.

The issue is how can something that started from nothing create all this universe and beyond ?. In other words the question of who created whom and how can not be answered by both the evolution or the creation thoughts . It is absurd to think that something starting from nothing can create all this universe and beyond !. !.

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thank you very much

Yes I can have it both ways. You don't know the extent of my model of reality, or the extent of my imagination.

Jeanniebean, Have you ever been associated with Scientology? Ive noticed that a lot of your ideas are very similar to Scientology doctrine. Just wondering

exactly......so I would say that blows darwin's theory right out of the universe....

I know very little about Scientology. I read a tiny bit about it and it does sound very interesting, but I think they may want to separate me from my money, so I avoid cults like that.

JB

As far as evolution is concerned, I think there is some truth to it but Darwin's theory lacks the spiritual intelligence that is at work behind it.

Certain information is contained in substance and these can evolve on their own to a point at random, but that information is adjusted and rearranged by an intelligent creator or creators.

At certain points, designers are allowed to tinker around with the formulas for life forms and even with humanoid creatures who have evolved to a certain awareness.

I do think that the idea of evolution being a random accident is untrue. And I do think that the idea of a creator god magically creating a man out of the dust on the ground and a woman out of his rib is just as untrue.

Yes, I can have it both ways. It was a combination of both.

JB

Can't have it both ways.......if you believe in any part of evolution then it takes the creator out of the picture...which is fine if that is what you want to think.....But for me the divine creator is just that. Darwin's theory was just that a silly theory that was just taught for some odd reason and a generation believed it....

And very new age thinking to think that more then one creator tinkering with anything.....I always think of "You can't fool mother nature." I also have worked with the critters that people messed with to create another species....not a pretty site at all.......If God intended for separate species to procreate he would of done so. You cannot take a lion and a tiger and create man's idea of a ligra and expect it to go good...There is very very good reason why animals don't interbreed with other species.....And as it did with me working with the ligras it would of broken your heart to see the condition and the mess these animals were.

Of course evolution can't be a random act.....it just doesn't fit....However God creating all makes perfect sense. He said let their be light...and it was done....He said have the night and the day....it was done.......And He is God if he formed Adam from the dust.......think about what happens when someone is cremated they go right back to the dust in which they were formed....makes a lot of sense to me.

I will give the example of a human being starting from an egg and a sperm. The DNA is the building block for the form. This life form is programed to evolve into a human body.. automatically.

It does this because of the formula, the design in the DNA.

This is the kind of evolution I am talking about. I am in no way taking God out of the picture. I am in no way agreeing with Darwin's theory of random evolution.

The designs are in place and they grow and evolve in different ways for different reasons because they are designed to adapt and change. That is how they are designed.

There is not one single creator god going around personally designing each mutation or each baby that grows in a womb.

The prime source creator (GOD) works in all ways through all things. There is a scientific explanation for every single thing ever created by any creator being who works with and for the prime creator. God has lots of help.

JB

http://www.besse.at/sms/evolutn.html

I got ya JB and yes I agree.....I do however believe that God created man......However I do also believe that man has adapted over life to fit the environment and situation. What did I hear that eventually we will not longer have a pinky toe nor tonsils, as they just are not needed.......

Now my biggest thing with Darwin's theory is that he believed that a whole other species developed from another species.....ape and man....this is just poppy ****.....and as I said before if that were the case then why are both species still here......I also have asked on many occasions in the last 200 for any species that turned into another complete species......nope......not one person has shown this yet.