Topic: Cration Vs. Evolution Part 3
creativesoul's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:20 PM
laugh @ s1ow... great resource! Cant wait until term paper time... :wink:

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Tue 04/22/08 03:21 PM

laugh noway laugh

http://www.besse.at/sms/evolutn.html


I read that, its really funny!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 04/22/08 03:23 PM
ok I'm putting in my views on creation vs evolution...because I wouldnt be me if I was quiet lol

creation....something had to be created for the first anything to begin. but why can't creation AND evolution go hand in hand? can't things evolve from something created????

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Tue 04/22/08 03:32 PM

laugh @ s1ow... great resource! Cant wait until term paper time... :wink:



OMG that was to good.....I had to read them all.......thanks for the share.....

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Tue 04/22/08 03:34 PM

ok I'm putting in my views on creation vs evolution...because I wouldnt be me if I was quiet lol

creation....something had to be created for the first anything to begin. but why can't creation AND evolution go hand in hand? can't things evolve from something created????




My point exactly.

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Tue 04/22/08 03:36 PM

ok I'm putting in my views on creation vs evolution...because I wouldnt be me if I was quiet lol

creation....something had to be created for the first anything to begin. but why can't creation AND evolution go hand in hand? can't things evolve from something created????


yes sure they can yellowrose.....but not how darwin wants us to believe it......but yes I think animals, plants, any living thing will adapt to it's environment.....Look at opposums.....Now I have had my possum for a year now........and he accidently got out......and he was fine scared me to death but he was dirty and happy and had some good vittles while he was away......His DNA like JB said predisposes him to know what to do....even though he has never had to do it. Now do I think he would rather have the cush life and eat steak and veggies as opposed to trash.....sure....he is adapting.....but while in my care for his life....will louie ever evolve or be anything other then a possum.....nope.

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Tue 04/22/08 03:36 PM


flowerforyou Jeanniebean, Have you ever been associated with Scientology? flowerforyou Ive noticed that a lot of your ideas are very similar to Scientology doctrine.flowerforyou Just wonderingflowerforyou


I know very little about Scientology. I read a tiny bit about it and it does sound very interesting, but I think they may want to separate me from my money, so I avoid cults like that. bigsmile

JB
flowerforyou All religions need money.flowerforyou They got bills to pay toolaugh Scientology is no different from the rest in that regard.flowerforyou

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Tue 04/22/08 03:41 PM
Darwin Schmarwin lol

I'm even talking about...let's say prehistoric animals....science has found proof that modern creatures evolved from them (or at least some of them lol) but things had to be created first to evolve

see??? i is smart lol

mirror...stop with the scientology if you won't tell me the secrets lol

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Tue 04/22/08 03:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 04/22/08 03:55 PM

Darwin Schmarwin lol

I'm even talking about...let's say prehistoric animals....science has found proof that modern creatures evolved from them (or at least some of them lol) but things had to be created first to evolve

see??? i is smart lol

mirror...stop with the scientology if you won't tell me the secrets lol


I'll tell you the secrets that I know. I don't have the fine details, but they do a lot of creative techniques, positive thinking, etc. and they believe that alien scientists {or an advanced race of beings) genetically engineered modern humans from more privative humanoids or perhaps pre-humans. I don't have any of the details, but I think they are on the right track with that idea.

Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to look into it deeper. I know how to recognize a cult. I am not saying they are a cult, just that I know how to recognize one.

I consider all information valid in some respect. I have not looked into theirs yet. Maybe I will, and I'll get back to you.

JB

Mirror, are you into Scientology? Can you point me in the right direction?


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Tue 04/22/08 03:58 PM
There are no transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or the modern world. Therefore, there is no actual evidence that evolution has occurred either in the past or the present.

Absolutely no transitional forms either in the fossil record or in modern animal and plant life have been found. All appear fully formed and complete. The fossil record amply supplies us with representation of almost all species of animals and plants but none of the supposed links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds and mammals are represented nor any transitional forms at all. There are essentially the same gaps between all the basic kinds in the fossil record as exists in plant and animal life today. There are literally a host of missing links in the fossil record and the modern world.

1. "There is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind. No transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found." For example, "the evolutionist claims that it took perhaps fifty million years for a fish to evolve into an amphibian. But, again, there are no transitional forms. For example, not a single fossil with part fins...part feet has been found. And this is true between every major plant and animal kind."

2. "Nowhere do we see animals with partially evolved legs, eyes, brains, or various other tissues, organs, and biological structures."

3. "If continuous evolution is a universal law of nature, as the evolutionist claims, then there should be an abundance of evidences of continuity and transition between all the kinds of organisms involved in the process, both in the present world and in the fossil record. Instead we find great gaps between all the basic kinds, and essentially the same gaps in the fossil record that exist in the modern world."

4. There are no links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, reptile to birds and mammals. There are no links whatsoever.

5. "All of the present orders, classes, and phyla appear quite suddenly in the fossil record, without indications of the evolving lines from which they developed. The same is largely true even for most families and genera. There are literally an innumerable host of `missing links' in the record."

6. "There is simply no evidence of partially evolved animals or plants in the fossil record to indicate that evolution has occurred in the past, and certainly no evidence of partially evolved animals and plants existing today to indicate that evolution is occurring at the present."

7. "...the outstanding characteristics of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution."

8. If there were links then they would have been found since the fossil record is "...quite ample to represent the true state of the ancient world. Most individual species of fossil plants and animals have been collected in considerable numbers, but the hypothetical intermediate species have never been represented at all!"

9. Darwin stated, "Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?"

10. Darwin admitted that the number of transitional links "must have been conceivably great." The fact that there are none prompted him to conclude that this fact is "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."

11. "The occasional suggested examples of missing links (such as the famous archaeopteryx - supposedly linking the birds and reptiles) can usually be recognized on closer study to represent merely another type of one of the basic kinds it supposedly links (the archaeopteryx was a true bird, by any reasonable definition, with feathers and warm blood)."

12. "Even if a creature shared characteristics belonging to two separate groups, however, this would not necessarily make it a transitional link as long as each of the characteristics themselves is complete and not in the process of transition from one type of structure or function into another type of structure or function."

13. "Because of the lack of evidence for gradual evolution in the fossil record, more and more evolutionists are adopting a new theory of evolution known as macroevolution. The theory of macroevolution teaches that animals and plants changed suddenly from one kind to another without going through any gradual or transitional process."

14. Other evolutionists claim that the links are missing only because the changes are so small that they are not noticed. The problem here is that they are assuming that at every point in the evolution process the being would appear as complete or whole. Actually, they would appear as in transition as when a house is being built.

15. "The point to remember...is that the fossil problem for Darwinism is getting worse all the time."


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Tue 04/22/08 04:06 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Tue 04/22/08 04:08 PM


Darwin Schmarwin lol

I'm even talking about...let's say prehistoric animals....science has found proof that modern creatures evolved from them (or at least some of them lol) but things had to be created first to evolve

see??? i is smart lol

mirror...stop with the scientology if you won't tell me the secrets lol


I'll tell you the secrets that I know. I don't have the fine details, but they do a lot of creative techniques, positive thinking, etc. and they believe that alien scientists {or an advanced race of beings) genetically engineered modern humans from more privative humanoids or perhaps pre-humans. I don't have any of the details, but I think they are on the right track with that idea.

Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to look into it deeper. I know how to recognize a cult. I am not saying they are a cult, just that I know how to recognize one.

I consider all information valid in some respect. I have not looked into theirs yet. Maybe I will, and I'll get back to you.

JB

Mirror, are you into Scientology? Can you point me in the right direction?


flowerforyou Im not a Scientologist.flowerforyou Ive studied it for a research paper.flowerforyou I know what it is.flowerforyou Its easy to find material on the internet about Scientology and L.Ron Hubbardflowerforyou Your on the right trackflowerforyou You should search for "Xenu","Space Opera"and L.Ron Hubbard.flowerforyou You will find these most enlightening on the subjectflowerforyou I would prefer to let everyone draw their own conclusionsflowerforyou

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Tue 04/22/08 04:11 PM
Thanks Mirrorflowerforyou flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 04/22/08 04:13 PM

There are no transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or the modern world. Therefore, there is no actual evidence that evolution has occurred either in the past or the present.

Absolutely no transitional forms either in the fossil record or in modern animal and plant life have been found. All appear fully formed and complete. The fossil record amply supplies us with representation of almost all species of animals and plants but none of the supposed links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds and mammals are represented nor any transitional forms at all. There are essentially the same gaps between all the basic kinds in the fossil record as exists in plant and animal life today. There are literally a host of missing links in the fossil record and the modern world.

1. "There is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind. No transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found." For example, "the evolutionist claims that it took perhaps fifty million years for a fish to evolve into an amphibian. But, again, there are no transitional forms. For example, not a single fossil with part fins...part feet has been found. And this is true between every major plant and animal kind."

2. "Nowhere do we see animals with partially evolved legs, eyes, brains, or various other tissues, organs, and biological structures."

3. "If continuous evolution is a universal law of nature, as the evolutionist claims, then there should be an abundance of evidences of continuity and transition between all the kinds of organisms involved in the process, both in the present world and in the fossil record. Instead we find great gaps between all the basic kinds, and essentially the same gaps in the fossil record that exist in the modern world."

4. There are no links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, reptile to birds and mammals. There are no links whatsoever.

5. "All of the present orders, classes, and phyla appear quite suddenly in the fossil record, without indications of the evolving lines from which they developed. The same is largely true even for most families and genera. There are literally an innumerable host of `missing links' in the record."

6. "There is simply no evidence of partially evolved animals or plants in the fossil record to indicate that evolution has occurred in the past, and certainly no evidence of partially evolved animals and plants existing today to indicate that evolution is occurring at the present."

7. "...the outstanding characteristics of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution."

8. If there were links then they would have been found since the fossil record is "...quite ample to represent the true state of the ancient world. Most individual species of fossil plants and animals have been collected in considerable numbers, but the hypothetical intermediate species have never been represented at all!"

9. Darwin stated, "Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?"

10. Darwin admitted that the number of transitional links "must have been conceivably great." The fact that there are none prompted him to conclude that this fact is "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."

11. "The occasional suggested examples of missing links (such as the famous archaeopteryx - supposedly linking the birds and reptiles) can usually be recognized on closer study to represent merely another type of one of the basic kinds it supposedly links (the archaeopteryx was a true bird, by any reasonable definition, with feathers and warm blood)."

12. "Even if a creature shared characteristics belonging to two separate groups, however, this would not necessarily make it a transitional link as long as each of the characteristics themselves is complete and not in the process of transition from one type of structure or function into another type of structure or function."

13. "Because of the lack of evidence for gradual evolution in the fossil record, more and more evolutionists are adopting a new theory of evolution known as macroevolution. The theory of macroevolution teaches that animals and plants changed suddenly from one kind to another without going through any gradual or transitional process."

14. Other evolutionists claim that the links are missing only because the changes are so small that they are not noticed. The problem here is that they are assuming that at every point in the evolution process the being would appear as complete or whole. Actually, they would appear as in transition as when a house is being built.

15. "The point to remember...is that the fossil problem for Darwinism is getting worse all the time."


laugh NOTlaugh :heart: no offense:heart:

feralcatlady's photo
Tue 04/22/08 04:14 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Tue 04/22/08 04:15 PM


There are no transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or the modern world. Therefore, there is no actual evidence that evolution has occurred either in the past or the present.

Absolutely no transitional forms either in the fossil record or in modern animal and plant life have been found. All appear fully formed and complete. The fossil record amply supplies us with representation of almost all species of animals and plants but none of the supposed links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds and mammals are represented nor any transitional forms at all. There are essentially the same gaps between all the basic kinds in the fossil record as exists in plant and animal life today. There are literally a host of missing links in the fossil record and the modern world.

1. "There is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind. No transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found." For example, "the evolutionist claims that it took perhaps fifty million years for a fish to evolve into an amphibian. But, again, there are no transitional forms. For example, not a single fossil with part fins...part feet has been found. And this is true between every major plant and animal kind."

2. "Nowhere do we see animals with partially evolved legs, eyes, brains, or various other tissues, organs, and biological structures."

3. "If continuous evolution is a universal law of nature, as the evolutionist claims, then there should be an abundance of evidences of continuity and transition between all the kinds of organisms involved in the process, both in the present world and in the fossil record. Instead we find great gaps between all the basic kinds, and essentially the same gaps in the fossil record that exist in the modern world."

4. There are no links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, reptile to birds and mammals. There are no links whatsoever.

5. "All of the present orders, classes, and phyla appear quite suddenly in the fossil record, without indications of the evolving lines from which they developed. The same is largely true even for most families and genera. There are literally an innumerable host of `missing links' in the record."

6. "There is simply no evidence of partially evolved animals or plants in the fossil record to indicate that evolution has occurred in the past, and certainly no evidence of partially evolved animals and plants existing today to indicate that evolution is occurring at the present."

7. "...the outstanding characteristics of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution."

8. If there were links then they would have been found since the fossil record is "...quite ample to represent the true state of the ancient world. Most individual species of fossil plants and animals have been collected in considerable numbers, but the hypothetical intermediate species have never been represented at all!"

9. Darwin stated, "Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?"

10. Darwin admitted that the number of transitional links "must have been conceivably great." The fact that there are none prompted him to conclude that this fact is "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."

11. "The occasional suggested examples of missing links (such as the famous archaeopteryx - supposedly linking the birds and reptiles) can usually be recognized on closer study to represent merely another type of one of the basic kinds it supposedly links (the archaeopteryx was a true bird, by any reasonable definition, with feathers and warm blood)."

12. "Even if a creature shared characteristics belonging to two separate groups, however, this would not necessarily make it a transitional link as long as each of the characteristics themselves is complete and not in the process of transition from one type of structure or function into another type of structure or function."

13. "Because of the lack of evidence for gradual evolution in the fossil record, more and more evolutionists are adopting a new theory of evolution known as macroevolution. The theory of macroevolution teaches that animals and plants changed suddenly from one kind to another without going through any gradual or transitional process."

14. Other evolutionists claim that the links are missing only because the changes are so small that they are not noticed. The problem here is that they are assuming that at every point in the evolution process the being would appear as complete or whole. Actually, they would appear as in transition as when a house is being built.

15. "The point to remember...is that the fossil problem for Darwinism is getting worse all the time."


laugh NOTlaugh :heart: no offense:heart:


YEP no offense:heart:



I want proof babycakes proof not just no pleazzzzeeeee

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Tue 04/22/08 04:20 PM
flowerforyou Feralcat-- Im just saying that your assumptions about evolution are all wrong.flowerforyou You can believe what you wantflowerforyou Im not gonna challenge you beliefs on that anymore.flowerforyou I dont want to argueflowerforyou According to science evolution happened.flowerforyou According to the "gods" it did not.flowerforyou

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Wed 04/23/08 02:59 PM

flowerforyou Feralcat-- Im just saying that your assumptions about evolution are all wrong.flowerforyou You can believe what you wantflowerforyou Im not gonna challenge you beliefs on that anymore.flowerforyou I dont want to argueflowerforyou According to science evolution happened.flowerforyou According to the "gods" it did not.flowerforyou


Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news....but even science is saying they could be wrong....especially on how old the earth is....and remember all what I say is not just religion based....it's also history.......And remember this also......science and I love it...My father worked all his life for Nasa and I believe in it greatly.....is still based on man and theory.......And their is no proof scientifically that evolution happened......there just is not....and you can even look now...over the last 200 years.....and nothing has evolved to something else.....it just isn't.....

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Wed 04/23/08 03:12 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Wed 04/23/08 03:13 PM
feral... flowerforyou

New species have indeed evolved in front of our very eyes... new species, mind you... not genus, as far as I know.

Your statements claiming that there are is no evidence whatsoever that evolution actually happened flies in the face of some of the most intelligent people in this country and in the world.

Why do you suppose that it is taught in the public schools in the U.S., but creationism is not?

Because there is proof of one, but not the other.

It may be sad... but it is true.

flowerforyou

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Wed 04/23/08 03:26 PM
creative...my son's school taught him all sorts of theories etc...creation, evolution, big bang etc.

but it goes back to what I said about creation and evolution can go hand in hand. to evolve from something...it has to be created at some point right?

creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/23/08 03:35 PM
Your son's school taught creationism? A public school, or a private school? That surprises me honestly if it is a public school system.

The term created invokes intent, purpose, and reason.

Those are the enemy of the way if you ask me.

Definitions create boundaries.

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Wed 04/23/08 03:40 PM
creative..public but it was done as another side of things. the teacher believes in giving all the sides or none. it was basically teaching evolution but saying...this is another theory of what people believe. that teacher is the one that actually pointed out to me that creation and evolution can coincide. it was to teach that there are other sides and to use your own brain with all sides