Abra,

do stick around, won't you?

There's 8 I believe.

we're sure to learn more.

Learn what 'feralcatlady'?!?!?


It takes 1,5 seconds to get all of your 2 part message:

1) The bible is the truth, all the truth and nothing but the truth.

2) Anyting that is not according to YOUR personnal interpretation of the word of the book must be made false by you personnally.

That's it!!! 1,375 seconds, a new record!

There is nothing to learn from the 'presuppositionalist' apologetics fallacious circular logic, and rhetoric you are being taught by your 'gurus'.

It wouldn't matter if you wrote four books worth of variation on the same unfounded and undefendable theme. It is always the same. It is old and repetitive as anyting, and it is always a lie.

So much so, that there needs to be an army of radical fundamentalists, hard at work, producing fresh disguses, WMD's (Weapons of Mind Destruction) and ammunitions, for groupies-in-training with so that they can keep attempting to fool the crowds.

Wake-up 'feral', as Christians, there are much more pressing problems for us to resolve than each trying to fighting over our personnal, word for word interpretation of the bible. Trust me, you care about that, but God doesn't.

A better title for this would be evolution is stupid

I believe a fundamentalist trooper tried that a little while back. Was a real 'whopper'!!!

"Evolution is stupid" is in the top 10 of the religion forum as we speak. I think Redy resurrected it out of the catatcomb dungeon and people are chatting on it.

That was kinda my point-she is not interested in any type of conversation here. Just blind faith. That is not what the title leads you to believe.

Exactly 'yzrabbit1', another 'whopper'!!!

And she seems to working on a series!?!?!

'Sado-Maso' disorder if you ask me!

ever been to Berlin, Voila?

The night life is extraordinary, I hear!

Ferel, do you believe that God controls the actions of every single particle in the universe at all times? Or do you believe that there is a structure to the creation? In other words, is 'nature', with it's proven consistancies a part of the creation that allows the universe to be self reliant?

If there are natural forces, created by God, that determine the actions of molecules, atoms, "gravity", why were they not explained in the Bible? If these are natural and are required for the univers to exist, survive and continue of it's own volition, then why is there no guide in the book of truths?

If the anatomy of humans includes vulnerabilities, why does the book of truths not incorporation the science of the human anatomy and it's vulerabilities?

How many volumes do you suppose the Bible would be, if simple things, like gravity and genetics were inclusive in the 'truths' of the Bible? How many volumes if the human atatomy, including information on genetics and DNA, would the book of truths consist of?

Yet these things are not as mysterious or so complex as to have escaped our observation or in developing sciences that explain a great deal about these things. In fact science continues to unlock the "natural" forces that keep the universe functioning with some semblence of continuity.

Yet you expect to learn the intracacies that science has taken thousands of years to explore in a post on a chat forum.

We can do this with the Bible, therefore you think it should be so simple with science.

Understanding science is not like reading the Bible.

Anyone can pick up the Bible and interpret it to mean whatever 'moves' their thoughts. That is not a science, it is a diversion into the realm of creativity. It does not take a great discipline to create truth if subjective creation is the scientific method used.

It takes even less imagination if one is directed as to how to interpret and what to believe.

You mentioned the vulnerability of the young mind in another post. But is it vulnerability or laziness when the mind of an adult can so be so easily impressed without question?

This came from another thread similar to this one. It is the wisdom of Messagetrade. How wise.

Lizard, Voile, Abra, Redy...

Would you care to site something to support the "Evolution is not a religion" claim? Or is the "bible of Evolution" being written by the prophets on this thread?

Genesis2:12. And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone,

G2:15. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and keep it.

G2:17.But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it: for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


So, does a temptation exist close at hand for man to dabble in if he has a little know how?

Why mention it in 2:12?

Seems a little science was in the cards being played, doesn't it?



Gotta look, you know how it is.





I'm not suggesting we ask if its good or not. it's there to explore.
bdellium: pieces, poss. amber.(petrified tree sap...hhmmm)

Actually no redy when God created man from dust and blew the breath of life into him....It was he that was is charge of at least earth. As far as the other glaxies.......this song sums it up beautifully for me.

From the highest of heights to the depths of the sea
Creation's revealing Your majesty
From the colors of fall to the fragrance of spring
Every creature unique in the song that it sings
All exclaiming

Indescribable, uncontainable,
You placed the stars in the sky and You know them by name.
You are amazing God
All powerful, untamable,
Awestruck we fall to our knees as we humbly proclaim
You are amazing God

Who has told every lightning bolt where it should go
Or seen heavenly storehouses laden with snow
Who imagined the sun and gives source to its light
Yet conceals it to bring us the coolness of night
None can fathom

Indescribable, uncontainable,
You placed the stars in the sky and You know them by name
You are amazing God
All powerful, untamable,
Awestruck we fall to our knees as we humbly proclaim
You are amazing God
You are amazing God

Indescribable, uncontainable,
You placed the stars in the sky and You know them by name.
You are amazing God
All powerful, untamable,
Awestruck we fall to our knees as we humbly proclaim
You are amazing God
Indescribable, uncontainable,
You placed the stars in the sky and You know them by name.
You are amazing God
INCOMPARABLE, unchangeable
You see the depths of my heart and You love me the same
You are amazing God
You are amazing God

Actually they are explained in the Bible...maybe pick it up and read Genesis. I also think Redy that it is God who gives certain men the inate ability to look through science for answers. God gave us science so that we could find out about his wonderful universe...and the Bible is the book to teach the humans beings how to behave.

When God created the Earth....It was done.....When He placed the other galaxies it was done....It was perfect in all of it's Glory it is man that wants to disect it and take it apart.
And if you honestly think that better understanding of His universe will make it run any different then he originally intended it.....Yes we can delve to understand things but ultamately you change nothin other then your understand of how His awesome universe works.

And please people the tedium of you thinking I have no understanding of science is redunant.

And again redy non understanding on your part....The Bible is what it is. It can be interpreted only one way...no yes people can change it to fit their specfic needs but that is not what I see. I don't change the Bible to fit any need. I take it as God's word and don't change it just read and understand it.

Oh and again jumping to conclusions about me once again. I have studied alot redy and I asked alot of questions before I decided what was right for me.....me being the imperative word, and In all my threads there not for you or voil or abra....there for the others that don't know and who are looking. And I am giving them another way to look at it. And just because it doesn't fit what you believe....oh well....I give you your beliefs, your truths, please do the same for me.

I read somthing on another thread that sparked this in my mind.

This is you form of idol worship Feral. Everyone can see that if this was disproved to you then God would die. You have placed this personal quest above God.


Its the number 1 comandment for a reason

All this is from God sweets....not against him.....But however if you believe in evolution then you would be correct....Because it would make God a lie, Jesus a lie etc.

Feral i think if ur faith in ur religion were truly as strong as u want it to b u would not care what other people believed in because nothing would disprove ur gods 2 u
If one theory being proved could disrupt ur whole way of thinking ur not quite as devout as u want 2 b
As it is u seem 2 consistently try and tell us how our beliefs r incorrect and "god is amazing" so as to make ur imaginary friends seem bigger
True faith would not require that u closet heretic u

That's your problem right there.

No wonder you feel so threatened by evolution.

Like I say, there are many Christians who are not bothered by evolution. They just accept that this is the method God used to create man from the dust of the earth.

You take the Bible far too LITERALLY!!!

In fact, if you insist on taking it PERFECTLY LITERALLY then it would fall flat on it's face by Jesus' own words,...

Matthew has Jesus saying, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come ... Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Mark has Jesus saying, "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."

BOTH of these gospels have Jesus proclaiming that everything he spoke of would come to pass in "THIS GENERATION"! The generation that Mark and Matthew lived in!

If you insist on taking the Bible LITERALLY then the things that Jesus preached did NOT come true!

This is over 2000 LATER!!! And he said that they would come to pass in "THIS GENERATION".

It never happened. It's a done deal.

So there's not much sense beating the dead horse at this point if you're going to insist on taking things LITERALLY.

I'm not out to disprove your religion Feral, but if it is YOUR CLAIM that evolution disproves your religion then all I can say is that your religion has been disproved then.

Like I say, most Christians don't see a conflict between evolution and the Bible.

That's YOUR CHOICE.

Of course - then there's always the "generation of man" - which would be, gee - all of us. Just depends on what your premise is. You assume it was a 40 year span at the time of the apostles. Why?

ah, the generation of man in his generations....

within each a primary reason to learn that which is directionally prefaced by the fathers....

reaches back to the Father....

spankings in order for the whiny brats?

naw, let's coddle a bit and tell bedtime stories that make safe the way for no boogey man within to make us skeeeered...

What would you think a "generation" would be?

From flood to flood?

Seriously, I'm taking the word to mean what people normally take it to mean.

Moreover, my point was associated with Feral's apparent need to take things in the Bible "literally". Seems to me if a person is going to do that they should at least be consistent.

Why take Genesis literally, and then twist the words of Jesus like as if they are Silly Putty????

If a person is going to allow for abstraction, metaphor, and allegories, then why not be consistent with that too? Then evolution isn't a problem.

Just seems to me to be another case of wanting to have the cake and eat it too.

Denounce evolution on strict technicalities, then turn around and support Jesus with vauge abstractions.

I just don't see the point to being so inconsistent.

If you're willing to apply vauge abstractions then why not apply them consistently and just accept evolution and be done with it?