I am sorry that men have treat ya'll so poorly, but we ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT... I met my Future Wife on here so there is hope..

I'll pray for ya'll to meet your person...

Or, said another way, you put up with that sort of thing from your friends all the time without realizing it. Partly because the reactions aren't as severe when it's not a Significant Other, and partly because you know your friends better - well enough to spot and correct the triggering event.

All I'm suggesting is give the person a chance. I know everyone wants quick answers and easy solutions, but sometimes it's better to just let the person know you see what happened, and give them space to sort things out for themselves, trusting that they will resolve the issue, or let you help them resolve it.

I understand your point of view and respect it. I don't have zero time for game players, deceitful people or theives. Lifes too short. Had a woman call me the other day asking me "um how come we don't hang out anymore?" I told her "because the last time I seen you I fell asleep on the couch and you lifted 300 dollars from my wallet."

i look at it like this, i tell women if they want to play games, go play checkers, chess, ps3 or xbox 360, but i aint got time nor the patience for them.

You ladies are rght. Men don't want self sufficient woman, though they claim they do. I think it scares them, because they can't possibly have control over a woman who can take care of herself. Also, they think that all woman should look like super models off of a magazine, unfornately we all can't, or have but things change. Most of them only see the outside and never investigate the inside. Of course I know women do that too, but men are usually obnoxious about it.

Well, I'm not saying "just grin and take it", either. I'm just saying that there's a difference between a person getting spooked and a person playing games. But I do know people tend to lump the two together. One thing I have learned is that if you're going to find a relationship that lasts the long haul, you have to be willing to see the person for who they are - not just group them with a type. Sure, if they're playing games all the time, take the appropriate action. But don't let a single mistake cause you to group them with the game players.

Hmmm... rather than heap any remarks on autogirl's statement, let me just say that anyone who makes a statement like that - all inclusive with no exception recognised or allowed - is making a mistake. You can't find what you're not looking for, and you can't look for something you won't acknowledge the existance of.

glad you said it before biker got back in here,, thats way to hard for him to pass up, and i want to say something, have plenty to say, but i aint getting kicked off over a rookie mistake like that

Well, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. People can believe what they want about others. But if a person is not willing to conceed that exceptions exist, then they can't find them. So for that person, it's true. I'm just saying I can't believe that. I want the exceptions - not the rule. I take it biker would have been more... vocifferous?

lets say he would take that one apart piece by piece and had alot of fun doing it. hes a good friend of mine, and he speaks what his heart tells him

biker's a good guy...

I look forward to running across his posts, then. Anyone who speaks their heart is ok in my book.

i agree with thump. playstation or monopoly the only types of games im interested in

I'm kinda partial to couch rugby myself

sounds fun kid lmao

The short answer to your question is no. There aren't any men who don't play games. I have yet to meet a completely honest man that will tell you what he really thinks. For whatever reason, if a man doesn't like you, he'd rather be an *** and lie and tell you something stupid like "I can't see you tonight because my grandma's in the hospital" (Friday night, a couple of hours before you see each other)(second guy to stand me up with an excuse about his grandma being in the hospital - what, do they have a book about excuses or ways to get out of a date, last minute? And if so, did all of you guys buy the same book? Oh yeah, you just passed it around to save money.) (translation: I got a babysitter and I met someone cuter than you that I want to **** tonight.) No. All men lie. God hasn't created a man yet who doesn't.

Im gonna have to disagree valerie.....Not all men play games, the ones who do obviously never grew up, and think with the brains in their pants. I myself don't play games, im at the point in my life where im way too old to even remotely play the "you should know what im thinking" game.

Guys are asses, and girls are the same. Both are capable of the same things. Just have to widen your preference in guys and maybe look for someone with a personality. Looks fade, personality never dies.

Now that the conversations deepen on this subject and we are in agreement that both men and women are deceitful let's ask why? Is it who by choice we are dating? Is it the environment we are in and location we are at? Is it our upbringing? I think all of it has to do with it. There have been a lot of people who have been beyond burned in a relationship on here. And I'm truly sorry that has happened to each of you. I'm not immune. I've been burned too. But let's not let it make us mean and cold and negative and bitter the rest of our lives. Trust me, the worlds biggest smartass, you might not be any bit desirable to mr or mrs right if they do come along if you are cold and mean because of a past bad relationship. I've said it before many people put obstacles in the way of their own relationships. Don't do that. And over half the people on here have said trust your heart and instincts. You know right away if it don't feel right. Like my father says "if it sounds too good to be true- it most probably is.". This relationship thing is not my problem. The deceit in the relationships. My problem is the deceit in the profiles and intentional hiding of information and the delusions in some of the profiles. The saying one thing and not saying what you really mean. It gets old. Do you know how many people I have messaged locally. Hundred. Know how many replies I've received. One. Why? Answer me that. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I've been doing this online dating for sometime now. Not responding is common place, for both men and women. I think the answer is very simple.....The grass always looks greener on the other side......And, it's so easy to forget common manners when you're behind a monitor.

Thank you.