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Think you all want to get a grip on this thread? Easter was 3 weeks ago!! You may as well resurrect the Xmas one now, eh?
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Think you all want to get a grip on this thread? Easter was 3 weeks ago!! You may as well resurrect the Xmas one now, eh? Why exactly does it have to be Easter for people to discuss things about Easter? |
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Dear I'mwhoIam1,
Welcome to the unending loop of grammatical oxy morons and switch-backs on the technical definition of The Divine. Cowboy GH just happens to be a Wizard at making the Metaphorical Father (Jehovah) and Jesus whom he claims is the Creator that is one-in-the-same as the Father, but is a separate Being. Also, the actual term 'God' is a collective of separate Beings that are the same one Entity. (It's God Incorporated) His thoughts on this subject are seemingly based on various paraphrased English translations of scriptural text, and it throws-out all commonly perceived translations of what historically and commonly is understood about the 'Oneness' of The Divine. It needs to be said that the Holy Spirit is also part of this collective plurality that is God. In short... According to what I've been able to gather from Cowboy GH, "God Is A Group." The only thing that seemingly vacillates regarding his stand is any chronological-order or hierarchy in this 'One Group (God) Of Three Beings.' ****************************************************************************************************************************************** Dodo David, on the other-hand, has expressed a more orthodox or commonly held view of what is commonly been called The Holy Trinity Doctrine for the last 17 hundred years. Many people don't even know it... But, the original Trinity Doctrine absolutely dictates that the three personifications of The Divine are essentially this: God portrays himself as a Father... God portrays himself as a Son... God portrays himself as a Holy Ghost. The same one Being (Entity) play-acting as three persona. ***************************************************************************************************************************************** The offical stand of all Muslims is that the old metaphors that were 'Father and Son' were the saying of a former people (The Original Christians) and because these have given so-much cause for confussion by the fourth century are not used by Muslims, today. Esentally, the metaphorical referance 'Father' is now Allah. (Or Jehovah)... (The One With Neither A Beginning Or An End, That Is Unseen) The metaphorical reference 'Son Of God' is now the first of Allah's creation among the spiritual-sons-of-God. (Likewise, A Common Hebrew Referance For The Angelic World) And lastly, the 'Holy Spirit' is now God's emasarial servant the Angel Gabrial or any other Spirit Entity that's sent to do God's bidding. |
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Yes, it's well-past Easter...
Maybe we should discuss something Wester ! 
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all ONE God. Correct. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God in essence, not three separate Gods. who is this talking about? if they are the same? 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. |
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Think you all want to get a grip on this thread? Easter was 3 weeks ago!! You may as well resurrect the Xmas one now, eh? Why exactly does it have to be Easter for people to discuss things about Easter? All the OP said was a greeting... Happy Easter...3 weeks ago I bet you can't wait for the annual "Christmas in July" thread to start...Don't you have anything better to do?. |
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Dear I'mwhoIam1, Welcome to the unending loop of grammatical oxy morons and switch-backs on the technical definition of The Divine. Cowboy GH just happens to be a Wizard at making the Metaphorical Father (Jehovah) and Jesus whom he claims is the Creator that is one-in-the-same as the Father, but is a separate Being. Also, the actual term 'God' is a collective of separate Beings that are the same one Entity. (It's God Incorporated) His thoughts on this subject are seemingly based on various paraphrased English translations of scriptural text, and it throws-out all commonly perceived translations of what historically and commonly is understood about the 'Oneness' of The Divine. It needs to be said that the Holy Spirit is also part of this collective plurality that is God. In short... According to what I've been able to gather from Cowboy GH, "God Is A Group." The only thing that seemingly vacillates regarding his stand is any chronological-order or hierarchy in this 'One Group (God) Of Three Beings.' ****************************************************************************************************************************************** Dodo David, on the other-hand, has expressed a more orthodox or commonly held view of what is commonly been called The Holy Trinity Doctrine for the last 17 hundred years. Many people don't even know it... But, the original Trinity Doctrine absolutely dictates that the three personifications of The Divine are essentially this: God portrays himself as a Father... God portrays himself as a Son... God portrays himself as a Holy Ghost. The same one Being (Entity) play-acting as three persona. ***************************************************************************************************************************************** The offical stand of all Muslims is that the old metaphors that were 'Father and Son' were the saying of a former people (The Original Christians) and because these have given so-much cause for confussion by the fourth century are not used by Muslims, today. Esentally, the metaphorical referance 'Father' is now Allah. (Or Jehovah)... (The One With Neither A Beginning Or An End, That Is Unseen) The metaphorical reference 'Son Of God' is now the first of Allah's creation among the spiritual-sons-of-God. (Likewise, A Common Hebrew Referance For The Angelic World) And lastly, the 'Holy Spirit' is now God's emasarial servant the Angel Gabrial or any other Spirit Entity that's sent to do God's bidding. Cowboy GH just happens to be a Wizard at making the Metaphorical Father (Jehovah) and Jesus whom he claims is the Creator that is one-in-the-same as the Father, but is a separate Being. Genesis 2 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. Notice in the following verse Jesus says "Before I formed you". Jeremiah 1 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Colossians 1 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: You can cross reference if you wish, but that verse is in reference to Jesus the Lord. John 1:3 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Again, same as last verse. But would have to post a bunch of verses for both to show their context and don't wish to get it cluttered up. And regardless of Jesus saying the father and I are one, he could not have possibly been speaking literally as the Father says "This is my son, in whom I'm well pleased". |
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all ONE God. Correct. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God in essence, not three separate Gods. who is this talking about? if they are the same? 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Again, please do keep in mind. The word "god" is a TITLE. It's not a name or a species or a being in itself, it is a word used to express authority over another, a title. They are one God, one is not greater then the other. One doesn't have more power in the authority over the other, for they work as one, they behave as one. They have the same mindset, the same desires for man, the same wills, they are one God. It's not like one says to do this and the other says the opposite, they are one. |
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How can he be God and the son of himself? Good question! Did Jesus pray to himself? The word trinity is not even in the Bible. Trinity doctrine is part of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. God the Father and Jesus are two separate beings. The holy spirit is not a being like god and Jesus. The holy spirit is their power and it can flow back and forth. Exactly what spirit is, I haven't figured that out. |
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How can he be God and the son of himself? Good question! Did Jesus pray to himself? The word trinity is not even in the Bible. Trinity doctrine is part of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. God the Father and Jesus are two separate beings. The holy spirit is not a being like god and Jesus. The holy spirit is their power and it can flow back and forth. Exactly what spirit is, I haven't figured that out. The term "Trinity" is merely a label for something described in the Bible. Again, the Bible teaches that there is only one real God and that He has revealed Himself in the forms of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The finite minds of mere Humans cannot comprehend how the one and only God can reveal Himself in the forms of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Mere Humans tend to be arrogant enough to believe that the one and only God couldn't/wouldn't do anything that mere Humans can't comprehend. |
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 I love to see that IamwhoIam1, Milesoftheusa, and Cheechako have taken-up the torch.
*************************************************************************************************************************************** I'm a little shocked that Dodo David is such an adamant advocate of the Trinity Doctrine. The big question, Dodo David, isn't whether-or-not God Almighty has the ability to augment himself into various characters... The question is whether there's any proof to believe he has had any cause to do so. Now... ! Think about the consequenses of worshiping another Entity, or Being, that You've assumed was God-Incognito, and You find-out, later, this other-Soul wasn't God ? Can we expect The True God to forgive us for worshiping one of his creations with the assumption this missunderstanding was conjectured ? Personally, I see people like IamwhoIam1, Milesoftheusa, Cheechako, and myself as being discreet, rather than presumptuous. |
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who is this talking about? if they are the same? 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Excellent Point, Milesoftheusa... Here's a classic example of where 'God the Son' and 'God the Holy Ghost' aren't co-equal... Even though the Trinity Doctrine obliges the faithful to believe they're such. |
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Jesus in the human form was approachable and could mingle with people. In the God form of Exodus 33: 20 nobody could look at him and live, because of his brightness. I would assume his power went back to God the father. Otherwise he would have fried Mary and everybody nearby. Also Luke 19:12, Jesus being the nobleman and money being the holy spirit. The holy spirit flows back and forth like water. The holy spirit cannot be a person.
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Jesus in the human form was approachable and could mingle with people. In the God form of Exodus 33: 20 nobody could look at him and live, because of his brightness. I would assume his power went back to God the father. Otherwise he would have fried Mary and everybody nearby. Also Luke 19:12, Jesus being the nobleman and money being the holy spirit. The holy spirit flows back and forth like water. The holy spirit cannot be a person.
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The finite minds of mere Humans cannot comprehend how the one and only God can reveal Himself in the forms of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
In other words, any time there is an inconsistency which cannot be rationally and logically explained, we are too dumb to understand God's greatness. Smacks of another religious cop out to me. |
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The finite minds of mere Humans cannot comprehend how the one and only God can reveal Himself in the forms of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
In other words, any time there is an inconsistency which cannot be rationally and logically explained, we are too dumb to understand God's greatness. Smacks of another religious cop out to me. What it means is that the acts of God don't have to make sense to finite Human minds in order for God to commit those acts. |
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Acts 5:1-4
Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God." |
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Acts 5:1-4 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God." Yes, the Emissarial Servant that God sent to give the order for the Charitable contribution was technically ignored, thus lied to, but more importantly God who sent the original order was ignored. Remember, when the Holy Spirit or Ghost confronts You... You have NO EXCUSES not to listen to the order. (It's Almost Always A Dramatic Event) |
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sure hope you all have finished Pasqua before Pentecost!
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Pentecost, I know but Pasqua? I googled it and still don't know. Bitter herbs or something? what is it?
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