Topic: happy Easter to everyone ....
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Mon 04/06/15 10:25 AM

Easter was intentionally put in for Passover. 29 times is Pasha (translated Passover the NT 28 times. only one time is it translated Easter. so yes Traditions of men because the religious leaders are the ones who changed it to Easter. Man not Yahweh. That does make it a Tradition of men who hold men Higher than Yahweh's commandments.


This can not be so. As "Easter" and "Passover" are two totally different things entirely. Sorry if I've already made this post as I thought I had but didn't see it through the thread. But anyways, Easter is the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Passover is when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Two entirely different celebrations, reasoning, meaning, purpose, ect.

The exact date in itself as when it's celebrated, might have been stolen. As there is absolutely no way to know/verify the precise day Jesus was born. All we can know is the general time period it occurred.
But the entire celebration in itself has absolutely no connection to one another, so one could not have even possibly been stolen from the other in either order.

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Mon 04/06/15 10:29 AM

Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

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Mon 04/06/15 11:34 AM
The Passover is the first of seven annual festivals that will help people understand the plan God is working out here on earth. Passover; Luke 22:19, Cor 11:24, Cor 11:25
Most people do not understand the Holy Days or say they were done away with when Christ was nailed to the cross. Which ended the Old Covenant. However the church Christ started observed them, Acts 2:1, Acts 20:16, 1 cor 16:8. When Christ returns and sets up his government, people will be commanded to keep them.Zecharia 14:16
There is a Great Tribulation coming, the holy days given to the Israelites, will help people understand what is happening. Would it make sense to Observe the Holy Days up until Christ was killed, stop observing them until he returns, then keep them again after he sets up his Kingdom.

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Mon 04/06/15 01:11 PM

The Passover is the first of seven annual festivals that will help people understand the plan God is working out here on earth. Passover; Luke 22:19, Cor 11:24, Cor 11:25
Most people do not understand the Holy Days or say they were done away with when Christ was nailed to the cross. Which ended the Old Covenant. However the church Christ started observed them, Acts 2:1, Acts 20:16, 1 cor 16:8. When Christ returns and sets up his government, people will be commanded to keep them.Zecharia 14:16
There is a Great Tribulation coming, the holy days given to the Israelites, will help people understand what is happening. Would it make sense to Observe the Holy Days up until Christ was killed, stop observing them until he returns, then keep them again after he sets up his Kingdom.


Acts 2:1

Is not "promoting" the celebration and stating that one should do it. Remember, the people living in the time of the bible being written/narrated, they were living by the old covenant/old testament. And so yes at that particular time they were still celebrating these practices as again at that time the old covenant had not been completed, they were still under the old law. So again the passover has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity what's so ever. I will continue through the different verses you posed if you wish for me.

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Mon 04/06/15 02:00 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Mon 04/06/15 02:01 PM
The Tanakh tells us that the Israelites were required to observe the Passover.

So, what about Gentile believers in Messiah Jesus?

"The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul -�� men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell."

-Acts 15:23-29

For what it's worth, the first people to be called "Christians" didn't celebrate Easter, because during their lifetime, Easter was purely a Germanic holiday. Indeed, the Germanic word "Easter" doesn't appear in the Greek New Testament manuscripts.

Only much later did the name "Easter" become associated with the celebration of the resurrection of Messiah Jesus.

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Mon 04/06/15 02:51 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 04/06/15 02:52 PM

The Tanakh tells us that the Israelites were required to observe the Passover.

So, what about Gentile believers in Messiah Jesus?

"The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul -�� men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell."

-Acts 15:23-29

For what it's worth, the first people to be called "Christians" didn't celebrate Easter, because during their lifetime, Easter was purely a Germanic holiday. Indeed, the Germanic word "Easter" doesn't appear in the Greek New Testament manuscripts.

Only much later did the name "Easter" become associated with the celebration of the resurrection of Messiah Jesus.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre

and a Happy Belated Easter-Feast anyone!

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Mon 04/06/15 09:02 PM


The Passover is the first of seven annual festivals that will help people understand the plan God is working out here on earth. Passover; Luke 22:19, Cor 11:24, Cor 11:25
Most people do not understand the Holy Days or say they were done away with when Christ was nailed to the cross. Which ended the Old Covenant. However the church Christ started observed them, Acts 2:1, Acts 20:16, 1 cor 16:8. When Christ returns and sets up his government, people will be commanded to keep them.Zecharia 14:16
There is a Great Tribulation coming, the holy days given to the Israelites, will help people understand what is happening. Would it make sense to Observe the Holy Days up until Christ was killed, stop observing them until he returns, then keep them again after he sets up his Kingdom.


Acts 2:1

Is not "promoting" the celebration and stating that one should do it. Remember, the people living in the time of the bible being written/narrated, they were living by the old covenant/old testament. And so yes at that particular time they were still celebrating these practices as again at that time the old covenant had not been completed, they were still under the old law. So again the passover has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity what's so ever. I will continue through the different verses you posed if you wish for me.

My understanding is that the old covenant was done away when Christ was killed. If that is not so, when do you think it was done away with? and why?

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Mon 04/06/15 10:54 PM


Easter was intentionally put in for Passover. 29 times is Pasha (translated Passover the NT 28 times. only one time is it translated Easter. so yes Traditions of men because the religious leaders are the ones who changed it to Easter. Man not Yahweh. That does make it a Tradition of men who hold men Higher than Yahweh's commandments.


This can not be so. As "Easter" and "Passover" are two totally different things entirely. Sorry if I've already made this post as I thought I had but didn't see it through the thread. But anyways, Easter is the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Passover is when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Two entirely different celebrations, reasoning, meaning, purpose, ect.

The exact date in itself as when it's celebrated, might have been stolen. As there is absolutely no way to know/verify the precise day Jesus was born. All we can know is the general time period it occurred.
But the entire celebration in itself has absolutely no connection to one another, so one could not have even possibly been stolen from the other in either order.



It is quite amazing to as Yahshua is our example and yet his example we refuse.

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Tue 04/07/15 07:48 AM


Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.

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Tue 04/07/15 09:53 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 04/07/15 09:54 AM



Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

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Tue 04/07/15 10:00 AM
Thank you sir and you do the same.

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Tue 04/07/15 12:07 PM

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.


Uh, Messianic Jews celebrate the resurrection of Messiah Jesus, but I doubt that they call their celebration "Easter".

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Tue 04/07/15 12:21 PM




Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

Easter actually is the Feast of Ostara.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-pagan-goddess-behind-the-holiday-of-easter/

so,Happy Feast of Ostara to all!laugh

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 04/07/15 01:56 PM





Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

Easter actually is the Feast of Ostara.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-pagan-goddess-behind-the-holiday-of-easter/

so,Happy Feast of Ostara to all!laugh


Well thought you would have some interesting information, so I went and checked out the link. But hate to say I was sorely disappointed and stopped after reading the first line.



"The pagan goddess behind the holiday of 'Easter'"

This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the Easter I celebrate and or the reasons I celebrate it. The two have absolutely no connection whatsoever. I don't praise any Goddess, I don't worship to, nor pray to any Goddess called "Easter". So again, no connection :)

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Tue 04/07/15 02:42 PM
Folks, the name "Easter" is Germanic in origin, and it originally referred to a holiday that Christians and Messianic Jews would consider to be pagan.

What the name "Easter" refers to nowadays is different.

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Wed 04/08/15 11:45 AM




Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

Jesus death was the end of the old covenant, correct. No more special status for the Israelites. Now Jew, Gentile, Eskimo and Cannibal are all the same. Paul wrote a letter to the Church of God at Corinth telling them how to properly observe the Passover. 1corinthian 11:23-29. I would say that means the church Jesus started observed Passover.

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Wed 04/08/15 11:45 AM




Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

Jesus death was the end of the old covenant, correct. No more special status for the Israelites. Now Jew, Gentile, Eskimo and Cannibal are all the same. Paul wrote a letter to the Church of God at Corinth telling them how to properly observe the Passover. 1corinthian 11:23-29. I would say that means the church Jesus started observed Passover.

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Wed 04/08/15 11:56 AM





Error, that was meant to be at the end of your quote.
"Where did you get that quote from? Passover is Biblical and Christians are told to observe it"


Why would Christians observe it? It is the celebration of when the Jews were freed from the Egyptians. Remember, it was the Jews that did not believe Jesus Christ to be the Almighty as he claimed to be and thought he spoke blasphemy. And Christians are the one's that do believe Jesus and therefore believe in Jesus. So again exactly what does the passover have any connection whatsoever to the Christian faith? And remember the Christian faith is built off the NT when our "Christ" came for our salvation eg., Jesus Christ so anything said about the beliefs of a Christian, would naturally have to come from NT if you think I am wrong here.

The Israelites flight from Egypt, is a physical event that serves as an example of a Christian's road to salvation.
The Israelites put blood on the doorposts so the death angel would Passover their houses and not kill them.
We need the blood of Christ to pay for our sins. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.
The Israelites left Egypt all jubilant and happy until the got to the Red Sea. There they were trapped between the Red Sea and Pharaoh's army.
Christians learn of Christ and start to understand the scriptures and get all happy and puffed up. Bad things happen and they cannot handle the situation.
God parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites through.
Christians who follow the commandments of God and stay connected can call upon God for help.

There are seven Holy days given to the Israelites by god. They were relevant then and they are relevant today.



No, they are not bro. Jesus completed, finished all the laws of the old covenant. Reason the Jews still celebrate those days are because they don't see Jesus as the only begotten son of God and thought him to be speak blasphemy. So for them, the old covenant isn't put to rest and the new covenant is total bull. That is the deviding line between Christians and Jews, one still follows the old while the other believes Jesus to have been speaking the truth in what he said and done for us.

So of course Jews wouldn't celebrate Easter. As Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. And they don't believe it happened, so therefore they wouldn't celebrate such an event.

Jesus death was the end of the old covenant, correct. No more special status for the Israelites. Now Jew, Gentile, Eskimo and Cannibal are all the same. Paul wrote a letter to the Church of God at Corinth telling them how to properly observe the Passover. 1corinthian 11:23-29. I would say that means the church Jesus started observed Passover.



Ummm, that speaks nothing of the passover. The verses in 1Corinthian's there is Jesus telling a parable. About the bread is his body and the blood is the new covenant that is spelt out for us. That has absolutely not one thing to do with the Jews being freed out of Egypt in which is what the Pass Over is about.

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Wed 04/08/15 04:23 PM
May peace be upon the metaphorical son of God, Jesus.

Best read his own words in the Quran... (Surah 19: 16-34)

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Wed 04/08/15 06:06 PM

May peace be upon the metaphorical son of God, Jesus.

Best read his own words in the Quran... (Surah 19: 16-34)


Not to make the thread go astray, but God the father isn't Jesus' "metaphorical" father. Marry "knew" no man, she was a virgin. And God the father impregnated Marry with the baby Jesus, thus making God the Father, just that Jesus' Father.