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Topic: Take My Country Back
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Sun 03/02/14 11:20 AM
Who has taken our country? As a result of advertising creating needs that are imagined, we Americans spend more than we earn. Because of the money in politics today, we elect people who have little connection with Main Street or the next-door neighbor, we elect people to Washington who make laws that create millionaires with dependencies on Washington�s largesse and make laws that benefit Wall Street and the 1 percent. Laws that benefit the middle class and the working classes are subjugated to the wants and wishes of corporations and their lobbyists. We want to take our country back so that anyone who wants an assault weapon can have it even though more young and old Americans will be being murdered.

Exactly to what do we want to go back? We remember who we were and how life was a couple of generations ago. But what we can�t seem to get our minds around is who we were is not who we are. We are a nation of two-salary families, a nation of plutocrats and leaders whose selfish policies protect a privileged few, and a religious nation that idolizes lucre and claims that poverty is the wrath of an angry God. Instead of taking our country back, let�s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one�s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let�s plan on who we will be.


Read More: http://cubie1944.com/2013/11/19/the-way-we-were/

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Sun 03/02/14 02:48 PM

Who has taken our country? As a result of advertising creating needs that are imagined, we Americans spend more than we earn. Because of the money in politics today, we elect people who have little connection with Main Street or the next-door neighbor, we elect people to Washington who make laws that create millionaires with dependencies on Washington�s largesse and make laws that benefit Wall Street and the 1 percent. Laws that benefit the middle class and the working classes are subjugated to the wants and wishes of corporations and their lobbyists. We want to take our country back so that anyone who wants an assault weapon can have it even though more young and old Americans will be being murdered.

Exactly to what do we want to go back? We remember who we were and how life was a couple of generations ago. But what we can�t seem to get our minds around is who we were is not who we are. We are a nation of two-salary families, a nation of plutocrats and leaders whose selfish policies protect a privileged few, and a religious nation that idolizes lucre and claims that poverty is the wrath of an angry God. Instead of taking our country back, let�s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one�s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let�s plan on who we will be.


Read More: http://cubie1944.com/2013/11/19/the-way-we-were/


Wow, what a gross misrepresentation of what people mean when they say, "Take my country back."
In other words, the OP presents a straw-man argument.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 03/02/14 02:52 PM
Back to LBJ's Grand Giveaway!

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/02/14 03:38 PM
Back to the days of Al Capone and the speak easys! When Cokes came in small bottles and Hersey's Bars were too big to fit into your pocket!

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Sun 03/02/14 03:46 PM
So what do we have here, a cut and paste from some pitiful little blog that has about the same capacity to understand freedom as most of the entitlement crowd.


"I want my country back" is a refrain that is often heard these days in "right wing" discourse. The phrase elicits conservative concepts of bygone days, the appeal of a time when mom stayed home and raised the kids and with an apple pie and dinner waiting for dad at 5 pm.


What a pathetic discourse, from someone that hasn't got a clue of what this great country was all about. And it is all about mom staying home and running the household, why, because they could.

Now the mom's that stay at home are the entitlement mom's that believe they have a right to raise a brood of little brats at someone else's expense. What is really sick is they believe that is their right. And they wonder what wanting our country back means.


But I am not sure that I know what the phrase "I want my country back" really means. Do these people want to return to a time when the government turned a blind eye to robbing the Indians of their lands and livelihoods; or to a time when "Manifest Destiny" guided every Washington policy? Do these people want to return to a time when African Americans could not eat or sleep in the same establishments as whites or ride any bus in any available seat? Do those who use this refrain want to return to a time when "Jim Crow" laws were the norm at local courthouses? I doubt that many would admit to a desire to return to those days where the above civil misdeeds were the norm, but exactly what do these pundits and bloggers really want?


And if it weren't enough, they have to go and add to the abject idiocy by adding this. The period when the "liberals" instigated entitlements and the "conservatives" got to curtail rights. And the worse one got, the worse the other got their righteous due. Little do either recognize what it means to "have this country back".


Who has taken our country? As a result of advertising creating needs that are imagined, we Americans spend more than we earn. Because of the money in politics today, we elect people who have little connection with Main Street or the next-door neighbor, we elect people to Washington who make laws that create millionaires with dependencies on Washington�s largesse and make laws that benefit Wall Street and the 1 percent. Laws that benefit the middle class and the working classes are subjugated to the wants and wishes of corporations and their lobbyists. We want to take our country back so that anyone who wants an assault weapon can have it even though more young and old Americans will be being murdered.


Let me tell you who has taken the country, the entitlement idiots. The ones that live at the expense of others. The ones that have caused a dollar to be worth 2 cents and still declining. The idiots that actually believe they elect representatives, actually worse than that, the ones that actually believe they have a choice.

But the worse is yet to come...


Instead of taking our country back, let�s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one�s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let�s plan on who we will be.
Emphasis author's


Now this has to be the most idiotic statement of all. How about we go back to when the hungry fed themselves. When there was health and the doctor set bones and sewed wounds. Where there was faith and man offered a helping hand to a neighbor down on his luck to get back on their feet.

But being the author wants to go forward, let's look at that prospect which at the current state of affairs can go one of two ways.

First, with Odumbo, McCain and the other war hawks on the rampage raping country after country, the future could turn bleak very quickly. If the shooting starts and oh boy does our hawks want that, where does it stop? Who will be the first to pop a nuke? All it takes is one and then Armageddon, the end of the world as we know it. And the elite have their little bunkers like the one in Arkansas where they believe they can survive underground for the next century or so.

Second, let's say that actually contain themselves. Then the US and Europe are going to have a little escapade that will make the one in Zimbabwe look like a picnic.

So post your cute little blogs, there still is no concept beyond entitlements that will ever be understood.

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Sun 03/02/14 04:55 PM

Who has taken our country? As a result of advertising creating needs that are imagined, we Americans spend more than we earn. Because of the money in politics today, we elect people who have little connection with Main Street or the next-door neighbor, we elect people to Washington who make laws that create millionaires with dependencies on Washington�s largesse and make laws that benefit Wall Street and the 1 percent. Laws that benefit the middle class and the working classes are subjugated to the wants and wishes of corporations and their lobbyists. We want to take our country back so that anyone who wants an assault weapon can have it even though more young and old Americans will be being murdered.

Exactly to what do we want to go back? We remember who we were and how life was a couple of generations ago. But what we can�t seem to get our minds around is who we were is not who we are. We are a nation of two-salary families, a nation of plutocrats and leaders whose selfish policies protect a privileged few, and a religious nation that idolizes lucre and claims that poverty is the wrath of an angry God. Instead of taking our country back, let�s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one�s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let�s plan on who we will be.


Read More: http://cubie1944.com/2013/11/19/the-way-we-were/


As one who started off dirt poor, having had to live with relatives down in Mexico who didn't even have electricity or running water (Bet no one here can even imagine such a life) until I was old enough, and had the money to return on my own; I take offence that because I was willing to work as many as three jobs at a time, only drive used cars, do without, ate by means of a rifle and a fishing pole much of the time, save my money and invest in things that goes up in value, that I'm greedy and/or selfish because I object to have others live off my labor by picking my pocket and take food out of the mouths of my family.

In this country, even the poorest are among the Top 10% in wealth worldwide; and the Government does it by taking from those who earned it, to enslave those that didn't.

With all due respect, Miss Harmony has the same mindset as which led to the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks Revolution, the Holodomor the Holocaust, The Great Leap Forward, and other nightmares the world over.

Hunger teaches the lazy to work.
Like a door on its hinges, is the lazy on his bed.
A Fool eats all that he has, the wise have warehouses of oil and grain.
Plow deep as sluggards sleep, you'll have grain to sell and keep.

msharmony's photo
Sun 03/02/14 09:34 PM
the point will be lost on many stuck in the 'earned' necessities mindset,,,,

DODO

what part of this : Exactly to what do we want to go back? We remember who we were and how life was a couple of generations ago. But what we can�t seem to get our minds around is who we were is not who we are. We are a nation of two-salary families, a nation of plutocrats and leaders whose selfish policies protect a privileged few, and a religious nation that idolizes lucre and claims that poverty is the wrath of an angry God. Instead of taking our country back, let�s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one�s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let�s plan on who we will be.




do you disagree with,,,?

1. do you not believe who we ARE is different than who we WERE?
2. do you not believe the economic dynamic of the family has changed with the growth of two income families and the shame on parents who don't work (at a paid job anyway)?
3. do you not believe many have the mindset that poverty is a sort of 'wrath' deserved by those who struggle in it?
4. and finally, do you not agree that we need to focus more on who we COULD be (instead of the fantasy of some ideal that some believe we once were,,,?)



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Sun 03/02/14 10:06 PM

do you disagree with,,,?

1. do you not believe who we ARE is different than who we WERE?
2. do you not believe the economic dynamic of the family has changed with the growth of two income families and the shame on parents who don't work (at a paid job anyway)?
3. do you not believe many have the mindset that poverty is a sort of 'wrath' deserved by those who struggle in it?
4. and finally, do you not agree that we need to focus more on who we COULD be (instead of the fantasy of some ideal that some believe we once were,,,?)





1) John Locke stated that Mankind is corrupt; (2nd Treaties on Civil Government) those who follow his teachings are far better off, with fewer nightmares than those who follow Jean Rousseau (Social Contract) who believed that Mankind is good.
2)The Economic Dynamic changed by doing away with the Gold Standard because the Government wanted to spend money; Inflation under the Gold Standard was 0.5% at its highest, now we are glad when it's only 2 - 3%.
3) I don't know anyone who says that poverty is "The Wrath of God" as you make a straw-man argument; who claims it to be so?
4) See my #1 answer as it's the same point.

msharmony's photo
Sun 03/02/14 10:19 PM
my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,

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Sun 03/02/14 10:50 PM

my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.

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Mon 03/03/14 04:42 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 03/03/14 04:49 AM


my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.


I think I'm in love! love

All that and brains too? What's not to love!

I have tried to explain to many why I didn't take a govt handout in my times of need. I'm of a mind that to accept is to owe, even if not in the "contract" of acceptance.

The problem with govt handouts is it always comes at a cost. When it is "wealth" (debt) that is loaned then what is it repaid with if not your freedoms or liberties which are your only inherent possessions?

The worst part of that is that govt has nothing to give it has not stolen from another, so they infringe the liberty of one to enslave the liberties of another, with no investment on their part......

The banker way!

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/03/14 05:11 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 03/03/14 05:12 AM


my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.


and I am truly happy for you

being blessed to have the HEALTH to do landscaping or the RESOURCES (money for licensing, transportation) to get around to peoples houses for cleaning,,,


and something to fall back on for food and shelter while EARNING up enough in these new endeavors to pay the bills ,,,,,

and no others (children?) depending upon you during the interim to provide their needs,,,

not everyone has those resources or the health,,,

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Mon 03/03/14 05:52 AM

the point will be lost on many stuck in the 'earned' necessities mindset,,,,

DODO

what part of this : Exactly to what do we want to go back? We remember who we were and how life was a couple of generations ago. But what we can´t seem to get our minds around is who we were is not who we are. We are a nation of two-salary families, a nation of plutocrats and leaders whose selfish policies protect a privileged few, and a religious nation that idolizes lucre and claims that poverty is the wrath of an angry God. Instead of taking our country back, let´s take it forward to a future where the hungry are fed, the sick are healed, and the values of our faith are honored regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, politics, or the size of one´s bank account. Rather than focusing on who we were, let´s plan on who we will be.



Just a bunch of entitlement hogwash, sure let's go forward into a new era of taking more from those that do to give to those that wont. No, let's go back to where the individual assumes responsibility for themselves, you don't get, you don't have. But not to worry really, this world, especially the US and Europe will be there soon enough. There are some very interesting times ahead.



do you disagree with,,,?

1. do you not believe who we ARE is different than who we WERE?
2. do you not believe the economic dynamic of the family has changed with the growth of two income families and the shame on parents who don't work (at a paid job anyway)?
3. do you not believe many have the mindset that poverty is a sort of 'wrath' deserved by those who struggle in it?
4. and finally, do you not agree that we need to focus more on who we COULD be (instead of the fantasy of some ideal that some believe we once were,,,?)



Of course it is...

Confronting the Unsustainable Growth of Welfare Entitlements: Principles of Reform and the Next Steps

"When President Lyndon Johnson announced the War on Poverty in 1964, he created large-scale national programs to help the poor and needy. Spending on these programs has grown to alarmingly high levels. In 1964, programs for the poor consumed 1.2 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP). Today, spending on welfare programs is 13 times greater than it was in 1964 and consumes over 5 percent of GDP. Spending per poor person in 2008 amounted to around $16,800 in programmatic benefits.

The Obama Administration has worked rapidly to expand the welfare state further. President Obama’s fiscal year (FY) 2011 budget would continue this trend, further increasing spending on programs for the poor to 42 percent above levels in FY 2008, President George W. Bush's last full year in office. By 2011, total welfare spending (including the state portion) would rise to $953 billion."

Welfare Statistics

All the little questions rolled up into one cause. Entitlements aren't picking those in poverty up, it instills a dependency. But worse, the toll is getting so bad not only does it not lift up but drags others down.

So play little word games, spout cute little slogans but much sooner than not, the truth will come home with a vengeance all on it's own. And that sooner is much closer than the majority realize.

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Mon 03/03/14 05:56 AM

my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


That whole tripe is just a lame excuse not to have to take responsibility. Starving sure does instill either responsibility or relief in short order.

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/03/14 06:02 AM
its hard to become 'dependent' on something that lasts 3-5 years of lifetime

its like telling mothers not to let babies use a pacifier because as they grow they will STILL depend on it

its not gonna happen

and its not designed as a 'lift' , we have pulled off the myth of meritocracy allegedly responsible for 'lift'

its merely about helping people GET THROUGH,,,

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Mon 03/03/14 06:03 AM
Edited by alnewman on Mon 03/03/14 06:06 AM



my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.


and I am truly happy for you

being blessed to have the HEALTH to do landscaping or the RESOURCES (money for licensing, transportation) to get around to peoples houses for cleaning,,,


and something to fall back on for food and shelter while EARNING up enough in these new endeavors to pay the bills ,,,,,

and no others (children?) depending upon you during the interim to provide their needs,,,

not everyone has those resources or the health,,,


God bless Ayn Rand, the creed of the entitlement crowd, excuses, excuses, excuses. There is never a reason to do, but always an excuse not to.

Of course, using the government's gun to take from others so that their doesn't have to be personal responsibility sure does make things nice.



And look, the chart doesn't even cover the Odumbo era when things have gotten so much worse, almost $1 trillion, yes with a "T", a year. Wow, doesn't that make the budget deficit disappear just by itself.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 03/03/14 06:05 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 03/03/14 06:09 AM



my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.


and I am truly happy for you

being blessed to have the HEALTH to do landscaping or the RESOURCES (money for licensing, transportation) to get around to peoples houses for cleaning,,,


and something to fall back on for food and shelter while EARNING up enough in these new endeavors to pay the bills ,,,,,

and no others (children?) depending upon you during the interim to provide their needs,,,

not everyone has those resources or the health,,,


The question is never one of resources but rather a desire to achieve.

Excuses always come easy to the entitlement class who always seek to cast blame for their own failures or their lack of initiative

My health is life threatening, my resources are thousands of miles away, yet every day I must create that which I wish to enjoy, so don't blame "resources or ability", blame yourself!

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Mon 03/03/14 06:21 AM




my claim is not that poverty is the wrath of God, that is the verbiage of the person whose blog is included in the OP

my claim is that people think popverty is a type of 'wrath' (retributory punishment for an offense or a crime ) for the crime of not earning enough or having enough saved for unexpected situations like sickness, lay offs, cutbacks, etc, etc, etc,,, to not EVER need to rely on the assistance of anyone but the self,,


If I had lost everything I own today, I would start cleaning houses tomorrow, or I'd do some landscaping, or something else; I will not become a slave to the government by taking Welfare.


and I am truly happy for you

being blessed to have the HEALTH to do landscaping or the RESOURCES (money for licensing, transportation) to get around to peoples houses for cleaning,,,


and something to fall back on for food and shelter while EARNING up enough in these new endeavors to pay the bills ,,,,,

and no others (children?) depending upon you during the interim to provide their needs,,,

not everyone has those resources or the health,,,


God bless Ayn Rand, the creed of the entitlement crowd, excuses, excuses, excuses. There is never a reason to do, but always an excuse not to.

Of course, using the government's gun to take from others so that their doesn't have to be personal responsibility sure does make things nice.



And look, the chart doesn't even cover the Odumbo era when things have gotten so much worse, almost $1 trillion, yes with a "T", a year. Wow, doesn't that make the budget deficit disappear just by itself.



more charts GDP per capita in that same timeframe

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gdp-per-capita



US population growth in that time frame

http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/uspop.htm


not to mention an AGING population of which more and more rely on MEDICAID , which makes up the BULK of that 700 billion number

perhaps we should make people be an employee until their dying day, to make those who have 'earned' everything happier,,


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Mon 03/03/14 06:24 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 03/03/14 06:27 AM
sidenote: I don't understand why any married person, person with spousal support or child support or any SINGLE person would need welfare


never, while I was married, or when I only had MYSELF to look after would I have needed assistance either,,,


only when someone else unable to look after themselves depended upon me for food, for shelter, for nurturing and companionship,

when someone elses needs put boundaries on my schedule
when someone elses impressionability was impacted by my choices and my example,,,

did assistance become a blessing that was available to help US through,,,when no other resource (spouse, income) was available to do so,,


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 03/03/14 06:47 AM

sidenote: I don't understand why any married person, person with spousal support or child support or any SINGLE person would need welfare


never, while I was married, or when I only had MYSELF to look after would I have needed assistance either,,,


only when someone else unable to look after themselves depended upon me for food, for shelter, for nurturing and companionship,

when someone elses needs put boundaries on my schedule
when someone elses impressionability was impacted by my choices and my example,,,

did assistance become a blessing that was available to help US through,,,when no other resource (spouse, income) was available to do so,,




And if this system weren't in place.... what do you draw on?


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