Yes everybody pays and why? To be able to pay entitlements to those too irresponsible to provide for themselves.

But no problem, I am working on eliminating a large majority of those taxes also.

I believe I will contract for trash pickup even though it's not that important except to get rid of all that toxic packaging. Every thing else is recycled.

Yep, to those that can't provide for their children, there is the Child Protective Services, because those children are in grave danger. But then in this Odumbo society, they are getting the best government can steal and are being taught very serious principles.

that's quite alright,


I don't trust STRANGERS to take personal care of my child, and I have had experience working with CPS as well to know better than to put my child through it,,,

And I expect to grow wings and fly. Wont that be a real hoot.

doesn't matter, I already pay sales taxes, utility taxes and gasoline tax,, so Im paying in too

Hey, I know a whole bunch of Americans that care about American people, they sneak across the border by the droves. But just imagine, most of them are looking to work at menial jobs to provide for their families.

But those United States of Americans are just too lazy and it is beneath them to work a menial job.

@msharmony
You have all my sympathy for this thread, your persistence, your ideas. From Europe, it's good to read this, feels connected humanly. I just wonder how you bear all the hatred that pours from many responses you triggered... Take care

They want to return to a point at which the U.S. government was not being controlled by people who want to turn the USA into the United Socialist States of America.

not so menial when it can be sent back to a country where it is worth 13 times as much,,lol

Im sure americans would love a rate of pay 13 times higher, and nothing would be considered MENIAL at that rate,,,

Yeah I used to have a neighbor that was a convicted murder (not too serious as he claimed it was only a Mexican so he only served 27 years, heck of a guy). He got $36,000 a year in benefits. Left him free to detail cars and sell drugs as a sideline.

But your grandma that paid Social Security all their lives gets $800 a month if they are lucky which makes them ineligible for all but maybe $20.00 a month in food stamps and their monthly Medicare payment is free.

This is what this system is all about.

please explain how we are being turned socialist, when CORPORATIONS are holding so much stake in the politics

seems more like a Corporatocracy than anything CLOSE to a socialist state

what production or manufacturing do you own? I certainly don't own any , nor does anyone I know,,,,



from my perspective its the same as it always was, the rule of the elite,,

whether they were the slaveowners getting free labor from people who didn't have the rights or the worth to actually 'pay' into their system with anything but their work,,,and therefore were certainly not equally entitled to its privileges or protections

or whether they are the wealthy ceos, 'job producers' , etc,, who get CHEAP labor from people who don't have ENOUGH to actually 'pay' into their system with anything but work, and are therefore certainly not equally entitled to its privileges (or basic needs) or protections,,,

its always been those with money looking down on those without and telling them they are less deserving and less significant,,,

I appreciate it, I have worked with people from France, Spain, Switzerland and I admire their culture of caring for and being connected to their fellows(The ones I worked with anyhow, Im certain every country has those who feel unfairly burdened)

As well as the labor unions.

not sure how much of a stake they have, their membership has been declining for at least the last half century,,,,

This is just pure rabble, gasping at straws. If you do the crime, then do the time, same could be said for entitlements. There is no justification except the distribution of other people's money.

And Federal Guidelines, about the same as the constitution, pieces of paper that the government feels free to trample on at will.

I agree, do the crime, do the time

commit fraud, welfare fraud, voter fraud, embezzlement, forgery

these are CRIMES And should be prosecuted

what they have to do with the legitimate purpose of welfare, or voting, or working with money, or signing documents


is yet to be determined,,,

When did welfare programs become an OPTION instead of working?

Welfare programs are supposed to be for those who CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES, it wasn't created for those who DON'T WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES.

I don't know ANYONE who wants to see CHILDREN or THOSE WHO CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES starve or go homeless. If able bodied PARASITES did their FAIR SHARE and even paid MINIMAL income tax then there would be more money to help those who REALLY DO NEED HELP!!!!

Who's really hurting the THRULY NEEDY by reducing the funds available for programs to help them? Those who use welfare as an OPTION instead of working because working is an INCONVENIENCE or those who want to keep more of the money they EARN?

It's the dependency CULTURE that needs to addressed by Americans who care about a future that will help ALL AMERICANS lift THEMSELVES out of POVERTY. Society doesn't OWE anyone anything for the CHOICES THEY MAKE!!!

welfare has ALWAYS been an 'option',

welfare:the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group


wives depended upon the 'welfare'(fortunes) of their childrens fathers/husbands in the balance of running a home together

business owners and ceos and the elite depended upon the WELFARE (health) of their laborers in the balance of running a successful enterprise to make them profits



working(for money) isn't like breathing , it doesn't just happen, people compete for jobs based upon skills, job availability, geography and competition

and when COMPETITION for jobs increased, (ID say around the time minorities and women gained equal status for those opportunities) ,

and when people became more spread out geographically and as the job market changed to bottom line economics(outsourcing, automation) instead of family and community focused businesses and industries


and when employers started weening out employees by their credit ratings or their employment status,,


the 'option' to work became one that took more time and effort

and that time passes with people still having NEEDS that they cant put off,, like food and shelter for their kids

I agree , those who think that temporary assistance is for long term dependence are a problem, but I also think those who assume anyone needing temporary assistance should be ridiculed and defined by the EXCEPTIONS who abuse it are part of the problem too

because they would rather discard a lot of needy people by their limited view of what 'needy' is,,,,

Taxpayers pay those who choose not to help themselves.

Those sponges could show a bit of appreciation with at least a little oral.

Now we're back to the circle jerk, same tired excuses as a couple of pages ago.