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You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do. Why shouldn't Christians follow muslim teachings? they should not folloew muslim teachings because they are filled with hate which is not christian but it does not hurt to listen the world would be a much better place without Islam |
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I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though . . .
Enlighten us. Just what forms of racism do you consider to be acceptable? well, in a conversation that is deeper than 'right/wrong' there are many forms of racism , prejudice, and bigotry, that are understandable and possibly quite human,,,, for example, someone brought up around only blond haired blue eyed people, and beaten periodically by people who are darker,,may understandably come to have a racist view about anyone not blond haired and blue eyed people brought up with constant images of men being successful and intelligent and strong, may develop a sexist view about a mans 'place' or a womans 'place' people brought up constantly seeing noone or very few people of their race being successful or strong, may develop the racist view that those traits dont exist in their own race people can be 'conditioned' by their environment and experiences to have UNDERSTANDABLE false beliefs and impressions , and thats a form of racism many of these people dont necessary have any form of HATE in their heart, anymore than I hate children because of the 'place' I believe them to have in a family,,,,but they never the less have a race bias conditioned into them based upon their own environment and experiences,,,, then, there are people, who have alot of HATE for an entire race, without much consideration for the individuality within that race ,,,these are all types of racism (with one example of sexism) but they are not always from HATE or from HATEFUL people,, and so they are not all 'wrong' in the sense of morals although they may be 'wrong' in the sense of truth,,, I did not ask you to name understandable forms of racism. I asked you to name acceptable forms of racism, which you have not done. Also, are you an American? Earlier, you said, "I believe all americans to be racist." yes I am american I refer to myself as a racist in recovery kind of like an alcoholic heck, I already stated there was a time where every time I saw a white male I saw a rapist,,,,life and experience has changed that particular RACIAL bias but society and media constantly feed me others,,,as they do any american with a tv or pulic education Well, your belief that all Americans are racists is a false belief. I am an American, and I am not a racist. The only thing that I hate more than racism is Satan himself. To a non-racist like me, racism is absolutely wrong. If you deny that racism is absolutely wrong, then cite what form of racism that is acceptable to you. racism that is focused on helping is not wrong racism that is focused on hurting is,,,, racism which promotes exclusion and oppression is wrong racism that promotes inclusion and self empowerment is not harmony racism of any kind is always wrong it can be given no countenance there is no such thing as racism doing good or helping it is an evil cursed upon humankind until we can become blind to the color of one's skin |
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You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do. Why shouldn't Christians follow muslim teachings? they should not folloew muslim teachings because they are filled with hate which is not christian but it does not hurt to listen the world would be a much better place without Islam the quran has about as much 'hate' as the old testament but people of islamic faith also find just as much about love and peace,, if they are loving and peaceful people which they are as capable of being as any other people,,, |
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You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do. Why shouldn't Christians follow muslim teachings? they should not folloew muslim teachings because they are filled with hate which is not christian but it does not hurt to listen the world would be a much better place without Islam the quran has about as much 'hate' as the old testament but people of islamic faith also find just as much about love and peace,, if they are loving and peaceful people which they are as capable of being as any other people,,, I do not agree with you about Islam. I think it is a scourge but the retribution of the Old book is there, true- that is why Jesus came to us - that is the single significance of our religion - to toss out the old and bring us the message of love in the new book that is why I counter only to the new testament and reject the old - making me a bit of a rogue what else is new 
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I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though . . .
Enlighten us. Just what forms of racism do you consider to be acceptable? well, in a conversation that is deeper than 'right/wrong' there are many forms of racism , prejudice, and bigotry, that are understandable and possibly quite human,,,, for example, someone brought up around only blond haired blue eyed people, and beaten periodically by people who are darker,,may understandably come to have a racist view about anyone not blond haired and blue eyed people brought up with constant images of men being successful and intelligent and strong, may develop a sexist view about a mans 'place' or a womans 'place' people brought up constantly seeing noone or very few people of their race being successful or strong, may develop the racist view that those traits dont exist in their own race people can be 'conditioned' by their environment and experiences to have UNDERSTANDABLE false beliefs and impressions , and thats a form of racism many of these people dont necessary have any form of HATE in their heart, anymore than I hate children because of the 'place' I believe them to have in a family,,,,but they never the less have a race bias conditioned into them based upon their own environment and experiences,,,, then, there are people, who have alot of HATE for an entire race, without much consideration for the individuality within that race ,,,these are all types of racism (with one example of sexism) but they are not always from HATE or from HATEFUL people,, and so they are not all 'wrong' in the sense of morals although they may be 'wrong' in the sense of truth,,, I did not ask you to name understandable forms of racism. I asked you to name acceptable forms of racism, which you have not done. Also, are you an American? Earlier, you said, "I believe all americans to be racist." yes I am american I refer to myself as a racist in recovery kind of like an alcoholic heck, I already stated there was a time where every time I saw a white male I saw a rapist,,,,life and experience has changed that particular RACIAL bias but society and media constantly feed me others,,,as they do any american with a tv or pulic education Well, your belief that all Americans are racists is a false belief. I am an American, and I am not a racist. The only thing that I hate more than racism is Satan himself. To a non-racist like me, racism is absolutely wrong. If you deny that racism is absolutely wrong, then cite what form of racism that is acceptable to you. racism that is focused on helping is not wrong racism that is focused on hurting is,,,, racism which promotes exclusion and oppression is wrong racism that promotes inclusion and self empowerment is not harmony racism of any kind is always wrong it can be given no countenance there is no such thing as racism doing good or helping it is an evil cursed upon humankind until we can become blind to the color of one's skin I guess we must first understand my definition of racism, to clear things up mw defines racism as following a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race .. I agree, by THAT definition, racism is always wrong to believe that race is the CAUSE or DETERMINANT of individuals traits and capacities is WRONG however, racism , is really a less complex word in its actual BREAK DOWN –ism is a suffix added to the end of a word to indicate that the word represents a specific practice, system, or philosophy. Often these practices, systems, or philosophies are political ideologies or artistic movements. Using –ism at the end of a word also suggests the word is related to a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as an authority by a group or school of thought so, quite literally, when added to the word 'race.... racism can take any number of forms,, some 'wrong' and some not(morally speaking) racism can simply refer to the philosophy that race is a social class racism can refer to the 'belief' system that is 'race' since race is a very real part of our language, culture, etc,,, we have a strong reason to believe in 'race', and so we are all 'racist' ,,,,,we have natural tendency to be conditioned by what we see and experience, but that does not make us morally 'wrong' nor does it make the child beaten by a blue eyed person their whole life which results in an aversion to such people equally as 'morally' wrong as a child who is waited on by blue eyed people their whole life and grows up to beat and abuse them,,,, there are too many ways that 'racism' can apply for it to be such a blanket issue of it always being 'right/wrong' |
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I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though . . .
Enlighten us. Just what forms of racism do you consider to be acceptable? well, in a conversation that is deeper than 'right/wrong' there are many forms of racism , prejudice, and bigotry, that are understandable and possibly quite human,,,, for example, someone brought up around only blond haired blue eyed people, and beaten periodically by people who are darker,,may understandably come to have a racist view about anyone not blond haired and blue eyed people brought up with constant images of men being successful and intelligent and strong, may develop a sexist view about a mans 'place' or a womans 'place' people brought up constantly seeing noone or very few people of their race being successful or strong, may develop the racist view that those traits dont exist in their own race people can be 'conditioned' by their environment and experiences to have UNDERSTANDABLE false beliefs and impressions , and thats a form of racism many of these people dont necessary have any form of HATE in their heart, anymore than I hate children because of the 'place' I believe them to have in a family,,,,but they never the less have a race bias conditioned into them based upon their own environment and experiences,,,, then, there are people, who have alot of HATE for an entire race, without much consideration for the individuality within that race ,,,these are all types of racism (with one example of sexism) but they are not always from HATE or from HATEFUL people,, and so they are not all 'wrong' in the sense of morals although they may be 'wrong' in the sense of truth,,, I did not ask you to name understandable forms of racism. I asked you to name acceptable forms of racism, which you have not done. Also, are you an American? Earlier, you said, "I believe all americans to be racist." yes I am american I refer to myself as a racist in recovery kind of like an alcoholic heck, I already stated there was a time where every time I saw a white male I saw a rapist,,,,life and experience has changed that particular RACIAL bias but society and media constantly feed me others,,,as they do any american with a tv or pulic education Well, your belief that all Americans are racists is a false belief. I am an American, and I am not a racist. The only thing that I hate more than racism is Satan himself. To a non-racist like me, racism is absolutely wrong. If you deny that racism is absolutely wrong, then cite what form of racism that is acceptable to you. racism that is focused on helping is not wrong racism that is focused on hurting is,,,, racism which promotes exclusion and oppression is wrong racism that promotes inclusion and self empowerment is not In other words, racism is acceptable to you if you approve of its beneficiary. |
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I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though . . .
Enlighten us. Just what forms of racism do you consider to be acceptable? well, in a conversation that is deeper than 'right/wrong' there are many forms of racism , prejudice, and bigotry, that are understandable and possibly quite human,,,, for example, someone brought up around only blond haired blue eyed people, and beaten periodically by people who are darker,,may understandably come to have a racist view about anyone not blond haired and blue eyed people brought up with constant images of men being successful and intelligent and strong, may develop a sexist view about a mans 'place' or a womans 'place' people brought up constantly seeing noone or very few people of their race being successful or strong, may develop the racist view that those traits dont exist in their own race people can be 'conditioned' by their environment and experiences to have UNDERSTANDABLE false beliefs and impressions , and thats a form of racism many of these people dont necessary have any form of HATE in their heart, anymore than I hate children because of the 'place' I believe them to have in a family,,,,but they never the less have a race bias conditioned into them based upon their own environment and experiences,,,, then, there are people, who have alot of HATE for an entire race, without much consideration for the individuality within that race ,,,these are all types of racism (with one example of sexism) but they are not always from HATE or from HATEFUL people,, and so they are not all 'wrong' in the sense of morals although they may be 'wrong' in the sense of truth,,, I did not ask you to name understandable forms of racism. I asked you to name acceptable forms of racism, which you have not done. Also, are you an American? Earlier, you said, "I believe all americans to be racist." yes I am american I refer to myself as a racist in recovery kind of like an alcoholic heck, I already stated there was a time where every time I saw a white male I saw a rapist,,,,life and experience has changed that particular RACIAL bias but society and media constantly feed me others,,,as they do any american with a tv or pulic education Well, your belief that all Americans are racists is a false belief. I am an American, and I am not a racist. The only thing that I hate more than racism is Satan himself. To a non-racist like me, racism is absolutely wrong. If you deny that racism is absolutely wrong, then cite what form of racism that is acceptable to you. racism that is focused on helping is not wrong racism that is focused on hurting is,,,, racism which promotes exclusion and oppression is wrong racism that promotes inclusion and self empowerment is not In other words, racism is acceptable to you if you approve of its beneficiary. no other words needed I think the words used were pretty clear |
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we have a strong reason to believe in 'race', and so we are all 'racist'
We? There is no we. The fact that you strongly believe in 'race' doesn't mean that everyone does. As I have said before, there is only one race that is native to planet Earth - the human race. No, we are not all racists. There are people who refuse to look at others through a prism of race. Racists may make up excuses for their racism, but they have no justification. This attempt to label everyone a racist is a falsehood, one that I reject. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Sat 12/29/12 09:02 PM
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they should not folloew muslim teachings because they are filled with hate Have you studied Islam? How do you know its teachings are full of hate? Have you studied the Bible? How do you know it's teaching are not full of hate? the world would be a much better place without Islam …to the same extent that it would be a much better place without religions like Christianity and Judaism too. As I have said before, there is only one race that is native to planet Earth - the human race. BINGO!!!...You win the cigar AND the kewpie doll! |
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we have a strong reason to believe in 'race', and so we are all 'racist'
We? There is no we. The fact that you strongly believe in 'race' doesn't mean that everyone does. As I have said before, there is only one race that is native to planet Earth - the human race. No, we are not all racists. There are people who refuse to look at others through a prism of race. Racists may make up excuses for their racism, but they have no justification. This attempt to label everyone a racist is a falsehood, one that I reject. I do somehow remember pictures included in a thread about beautiful black women,, yet,,, anycase,, like I said, when I use 'racist' its not an automatic condemnation of a person,,,,so I wouldnt take it personally,,, |
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I do somehow remember pictures included in a thread about beautiful black women,,
Are you referring to this picture? 
The photo is one of me with my daughter on the day that I legally adopted her. I routinely show it (and include it in my profile) as an expression of my love for her. (In case you are wondering, my daughter was age 22 at the time of her adoption. The adoption took place two years after I met her.) like I said, when I use 'racist' its not an automatic condemnation of a person,,,,so I wouldnt take it personally,,,
Racism is one of the greatest evils to ever be inflicted on humanity. There is no good form of racism no matter what kind of mental gymnastics that one may use. That is why I take offense at being labeled a "racist" when I am not one. You don't help people because they are members of a particular "race". You help them because they need help. You don't include people because they are members of a particular "race". You include them because they are worthy of inclusion. You don't empower people because they are members of a particular "race". You empower them because they need empowered. The things that I have done for my daughter (including her adoption) were done because she was a hurting soul crying out for love, not because she happens to be black. My daughter is also why I reject the idea that "race=family". My daughter is my family despite the "racial" difference between her and me. In contrast, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was like me "racially", but he was not a member of my family. He was not my brother. If you (generally speaking) describe yourself as a racist, then I will not object. However, I will object to any attempt by you to project your racism into a non-racist like me. |
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I do somehow remember pictures included in a thread about beautiful black women,,
Are you referring to this picture?
The photo is one of me with my daughter on the day that I legally adopted her. I routinely show it (and include it in my profile) as an expression of my love for her. (In case you are wondering, my daughter was age 22 at the time of her adoption. The adoption took place two years after I met her.) like I said, when I use 'racist' its not an automatic condemnation of a person,,,,so I wouldnt take it personally,,,
Racism is one of the greatest evils to ever be inflicted on humanity. There is no good form of racism no matter what kind of mental gymnastics that one may use. That is why I take offense at being labeled a "racist" when I am not one. You don't help people because they are members of a particular "race". You help them because they need help. You don't include people because they are members of a particular "race". You include them because they are worthy of inclusion. You don't empower people because they are members of a particular "race". You empower them because they need empowered. The things that I have done for my daughter (including her adoption) were done because she was a hurting soul crying out for love, not because she happens to be black. My daughter is also why I reject the idea that "race=family". My daughter is my family despite the "racial" difference between her and me. In contrast, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was like me "racially", but he was not a member of my family. He was not my brother. If you (generally speaking) describe yourself as a racist, then I will not object. However, I will object to any attempt by you to project your racism into a non-racist like me. so in a thread about beautiful black women,,why do you include this picture instead of one of say,, a woman people wouldnt view as 'black'? you dont have ANY perception of what 'black' is or looks like? ,,, is having that perception 'racist' ,,,,,and therefore 'wrong'? |
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again, it depends upon what someones definition of 'racism' is
apparently, some believe it means that actions are exclusively predicated upon a race,, as opposed to a need I dont believe that to be the case,, so I dont believe all 'racism' to be wrong there are cases where people feel attachment , because of similar biology (As in immediate family), because of similar geography (as in school alumni, or countrymen/women), or because of similar ancestral paths/geography/obstacles none of these are 'wrong' to feel, so long as they arent predicated on mistreating or oppressing others,,,, and as long as we feel an attachment to others on some level, a natural interest in keeping them from being mistreated or oppressed is not 'wrong' either, so long as it isnt predicated on mistreating and oppressing others,,, just my opinion |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 12/29/12 10:07 PM
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isms come in many forms
,sexism, racism, nationalism, agism and what makes it 'wrong' to me is if it is with the goal of helping or harming for instance, focusing on 'sex/gender' is sexist but , If i am in a country where it is the law that women can be raped beaten mistreated and opprssed, and I focus on helping the MEN retain those rights,, that is sexist,, and because it is aimed at continuing harm to others it is WRONG however, If I focus on helping the WOMEN gain rights, that is also sexist, but it is not WRONG similarly, because of americas history of segregation and discrimination, there are very real RACIAL discrepencies within our country so if people are focused on helping WOMEN become as 'free' as the men,, that is sexist but good and if people are focused on keeping the women in their place,, that is sexist and bad if people are focused on helping bridge the discrepancies that negatively impact minorities, by focusing on helping minorities, that is, racist/sexist/religionist,, but not wrong if people are focused on maintaining the status quo so that minorities remain negatively impacted, that is racist/sexist/religionist,, but wrong,,, if a person has the idea that elderly are slower and weaker than the young (Even though not all elderly are), and therefore open the door for an elderly person whenever they see one,, that is agist but not WRONG if a person has the idea that the elderly are senile and lazy, and jumps in front of them every chance they get,, that is agist as well, but WRONG ,,,many more examples I could give,, all depends upon whose 'racism' definition we speak of mine is probably a bit less 'detailed' than others,,,,hate, prejudice, nor oppression or power, have to be a part of it,,, |
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you dont have ANY perception of what 'black' is or looks like?
Meet the members of my high school graduating class: 
When you attend what was originally an all-black high school (named after Booker T. Washington and located where the worst race riot in U.S. history took place), and when you grow up on the "black" side of town, you know what "black" looks like even if you yourself aren't black. If you are trying to stick the "racist" label onto me, then you failed. |
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you dont have ANY perception of what 'black' is or looks like?
Meet the members of my high school graduating class: 
When you attend what was originally an all-black high school (named after Booker T. Washington and located where the worst race riot in U.S. history took place), and when you grow up on the "black" side of town, you know what "black" looks like even if you yourself aren't black. If you are trying to stick the "racist" label onto me, then you failed. Im not trying to pin any labels Im just explaining what I MEAN When I use the term you have a belief in RACE, you know its a real social construct, so you refer to it in describing others,, this is not a bad or hateful thing but by MY very basic definition of RACIST,,, it fits,, |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Sat 12/29/12 10:21 PM
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you dont have ANY perception of what 'black' is or looks like?
Meet the members of my high school graduating class:
When you attend what was originally an all-black high school (named after Booker T. Washington and located where the worst race riot in U.S. history took place), and when you grow up on the "black" side of town, you know what "black" looks like even if you yourself aren't black. If you are trying to stick the "racist" label onto me, then you failed. Im not trying to pin any labels Im just explaining what I MEAN When I use the term you have a belief in RACE, you know its a real social construct, so you refer to it in describing others,, this is not a bad or hateful thing but by MY very basic definition of RACIST,,, it fits,, Well, I believe that you are using a flawed definition of "racist". An evil social construct is still evil no matter how real it is. Also, two wrongs don't make a right. If your treatment of a person is based on that person's alleged "race", then your treatment is wrong no matter what that person's alleged "race" is. Now, in saying what I just said, I am reversing an opinion that I expressed in another forum. If it is acceptable for a woman to change her mind, then it is acceptable for a man to change his mind. We don't want to be sexists, now do we? Again, if you want to label yourself as a racist, then so be it. However, it is wrong to project a weakness (such as racism) in yourself into others. Doing so is dishonest. |
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im sorry to bring it up like this you having been a victom who do you think the women that fall victom to SHRIA LAW or how ever its spelled as they are stoned to death by family for going to school there is a very touching poem on youtube.com aboud shria law call she was buried chest high you should watch that then tell me listing never hurt any one
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im sorry to bring it up like this you having been a victom who do you think the women that fall victom to SHRIA LAW or how ever its spelled as they are stoned to death by family for going to school there is a very touching poem on youtube.com aboud shria law call she was buried chest high you should watch that then tell me listing never hurt any one im sorry this was to be quoted off a statement from the top of page seven saying listening to muslism teaching never hurt i just rechecked the the short video of a poem reading with live footage is very moving and as SHARIA LAW SHE'S BURIED CHEST HIGH i truely challange everyone to please take the time to watch it only a min or two long |
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You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do. Why shouldn't Christians follow muslim teachings? they should not folloew muslim teachings because they are filled with hate which is not christian but it does not hurt to listen the world would be a much better place without Islam it does hurt to listen SHARIA LAW SHE'S BURIED CHEST HIGH |
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