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Topic: What about the culture?
msharmony's photo
Sun 12/30/12 04:24 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 12/30/12 04:24 PM



I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Sun 12/30/12 05:27 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Sun 12/30/12 05:32 PM

whcih american citizens?


American citizens like this one:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/abdulrahman-al-awlaki-death-10470891


what action of mine would prevent that?


I can think of several that might prevent future tragedies like that.


I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,


That's a start, but if you were really concerned, you might want to create petitions of your own (to outlaw domestic drone flights, the NDAA, etc.), drown your congress in emails demanding answers, maybe even buy some weaponry to protect yourself in case it ever comes down to the citizens against an outlaw government. (you could be part of a civil militia…that's what the second amendment was for.)


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


Government gets its authority delegated to it by the consent of the people. If you say nothing about anything you oppose, they have your tacit consent. Anytime the government passes legislation you don't like (or even proposes it), you should write them to tell them in no uncertain terms that you do NOT consent to it.

When the government starts issuing orders to the people or starts shooting them, then they have become an outlaw entity that has no lawful claim to power, and the people have a lawful and moral duty to oppose it and oust it.


I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


Yes people die, and I suppose the people ousting their government by force would be sort of equivalent to an abused wife shooting her abusive husband, and yes, one could say it is the same action & same result (but on a wholly different scale)…Where you are wrong is that the rationality is different.; it is the same. There is no rationale for murder, which is what your government is doing.

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/30/12 05:30 PM

The mentally unwell hug their guns in fear of losing a false power they believe it gives them.

Kinda like the cape of a superhero. The cape is not the power but the superhero cannot see it.


huh Mentally unwell?

And you are qualified to diagnose people as being mentally unwell because . . . ?

no photo
Sun 12/30/12 08:38 PM

The mentally unwell hug their guns in fear of losing a false power they believe it gives them.

Kinda like the cape of a superhero. The cape is not the power but the superhero cannot see it.


Really? Are you reading directly from the comic book?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/30/12 09:05 PM




I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


How about this one....16 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8&feature=youtu.be

msharmony's photo
Mon 12/31/12 01:31 AM





I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


How about this one....16 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8&feature=youtu.be



seems like that one example is pretty popular so far,,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 02:06 AM






I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


How about this one....16 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8&feature=youtu.be



seems like that one example is pretty popular so far,,,,
One question!
How are People to exercise their Right to defend their Lives,when they are not allowed the means to defend it?

msharmony's photo
Mon 12/31/12 02:25 AM







I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


How about this one....16 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8&feature=youtu.be



seems like that one example is pretty popular so far,,,,
One question!
How are People to exercise their Right to defend their Lives,when they are not allowed the means to defend it?


we have the highest gun ownership rates of any western country,,,what people arent allowed the means?

willing2's photo
Mon 12/31/12 04:26 AM


I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)

Keepers of the Source must know something the rest of us aren't privy to.

I believe, we'd all like to know when we declared war on Pakistan?
What power gives Barry the right to kill kids in Pakistan?
Are you implying that all kids in the ME are terrorists and need killing?

msharmony's photo
Mon 12/31/12 04:36 AM



I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)

Keepers of the Source must know something the rest of us aren't privy to.

I believe, we'd all like to know when we declared war on Pakistan?
What power gives Barry the right to kill kids in Pakistan?
Are you implying that all kids in the ME are terrorists and need killing?



we didnt declare war on Pakistan, thats why a drone was more logical than bombs and military

it was about the person, not the place

willing2's photo
Mon 12/31/12 04:44 AM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 12/31/12 04:49 AM




I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)

Keepers of the Source must know something the rest of us aren't privy to.

I believe, we'd all like to know when we declared war on Pakistan?
What power gives Barry the right to kill kids in Pakistan?
Are you implying that all kids in the ME are terrorists and need killing?



we didnt declare war on Pakistan, thats why a drone was more logical than bombs and military

it was about the person, not the place


So, what power give Barry the right to drop bombs on kids we are not at war with?

Show the proof, not opinion that Barry has the right to kill kids, please.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:16 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 12/31/12 05:34 AM




I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)

Keepers of the Source must know something the rest of us aren't privy to.

I believe, we'd all like to know when we declared war on Pakistan?
What power gives Barry the right to kill kids in Pakistan?
Are you implying that all kids in the ME are terrorists and need killing?



we didnt declare war on Pakistan, thats why a drone was more logical than bombs and military

it was about the person, not the place



So dropping bombs and killing innocent civilians isn't an act of war?

So why did we hunt Osama, start 2 wars, bankrupt the nation, remove liberties of travel without being molested?

Seems we felt that was a pretty bad offense, called it MURDER, TERRORISM, when it happened to us.... and an act of war

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:20 AM








I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)


There are no different realities. There is only one. Your government has proved itself to be a terrorist entity that is killing American citizens. Are you going to sit there and rationalize it, or take action?


whcih american citizens? the ones on death row? what action of mine would prevent that?

I sign the petitions and will vote no anytime I have the opportunity to oppose it,,,,


can governments also 'defend' their borders and structure, the same as individuals can 'defend' their homes and rights?


,, I see the similarity that people die

beyond that, I see it about as similar as I see a woman shooting an abusive husband and a woman shooting a non threatening stranger,,,

same action, same result (Death), different reasons, and intentions, and rationality,,,


How about this one....16 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8&feature=youtu.be



seems like that one example is pretty popular so far,,,,
One question!
How are People to exercise their Right to defend their Lives,when they are not allowed the means to defend it?


we have the highest gun ownership rates of any western country,,,what people arent allowed the means?
yep,and a Bunch of Bleeding Hearts to make sure it won't remain like that!
http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3135-obama-why-disarming-america-is-my-last-act-as-president.html

willing2's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:23 AM





I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)

Keepers of the Source must know something the rest of us aren't privy to.

I believe, we'd all like to know when we declared war on Pakistan?
What power gives Barry the right to kill kids in Pakistan?
Are you implying that all kids in the ME are terrorists and need killing?



we didnt declare war on Pakistan, thats why a drone was more logical than bombs and military

it was about the person, not the place


So, what power give Barry the right to drop bombs on kids we are not at war with?

Show the proof, not opinion that Barry has the right to kill kids, please.

Well?slaphead

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:39 AM


The obvious is the source.

It is obvious to any who has a mind that has outgrown the gun crazy idealogy of the unwell in this country.


Does "the source" speak only to you? How long have you heard "the source"?
laugh bigsmile

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:42 AM

Outrageously speaking here of course or maybe not.

The mental health issue is of course a part of the gun culture but in a more insidious way then just those who we accept are mentally unwell..

The idea that a gun makes one more powerful is in and of itself a mental unwellness that should automatically deny a person the right of a weapon. It is the root of all the gun craziness in this country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wiz1elwHU

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:43 AM

lol and the mentally unwell who think a gun gives them power do not know they are not well....

Most of it is indoctrination from those before them and the rest is ignorance and denial.
Nope,it just EQUALIZES!laugh

willing2's photo
Mon 12/31/12 05:47 AM
Even though Barry is wrong to kill innocent children, I can see his logic. Because of their environment, they are likely to grow up and become suicide bombers.
So, the next time we hear about kids in gang riddled areas getting killed, don't feel sad. The chances were great they would have grown up to be low-life bangers.
It's just the culture.smokin

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/31/12 06:05 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 12/31/12 06:11 AM


I hav yet to hear any of the anti-gun voices on here bemoaning the tragic loss of life or the criminal mass murders committed by your own American government. Just a little hypocritical don't you think? Maybe you should be lobbying for the government to disarm, since it has already proved it should never be entrusted with the power & responsibility of guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2012/12/us-govt-murdered-more-children-at-waco-texas-than-were-killed-at-sandy-hook-wheres-the-outrage-2445496.html


terrorists, wars , and civilian life,,, carry with them different realities,, and expecations (as they should)
they could have apprehended Koresh on numerous occasion by himself,but Janet Renoand POTUS were too damn Gung-Ho

Clinton even said on TV that Koresh were obviously insane!
Waco is as much on his hands as on the hands of the FBI and Janet Reno!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege


Ruby Ridge was another such incident!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

Then there was the armed Invasion in the Case of that Little Cuban Boy Elian,who rightfully deserved Asylum,instead of being removed by Force of Arms from the Home!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elian_Gonzalez_affair

In each of the incidents the Feds used some dodgy,possibly Illegal arguments and Actions!

no photo
Mon 12/31/12 06:29 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Mon 12/31/12 06:32 AM

we didnt declare war on Pakistan, thats why a drone was more logical than bombs and military

it was about the person, not the place

Why does the vehicle of the attack make any difference as to its meaning?

Politicians sure do like having there cake and eat it.

Hey its ok for our government to kill its own citizens, so as long a Pakistan agrees we can kill their citizenry then its ok.

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