Taking things out of context again Funches. "Men" should not talk in church, "women" should not talk in church. ONLY the preacher should be talking during church/service. Weather the preacher is a woman or man.

And yes I do apologize for how I said that. I didn't say that all to clearly.

and if the preacher is spreading false gospel or blaspheming God, are the Men still required to remain silent?...but yet the women are...



it was pretty clear that your remarks were sexist

but you're always welcome to try again to explain why women and not Men are required to remain silent in church ..of course without sounding sexist ....

So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church.

LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher.

I met a woman the other day who said she was the minister at a local Quaker church.

So what about that?

Have we abandoned the old testament yet? I hope so.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Is this it? Paul does often appear to contradict himself though.

I met a woman the other day who said she was the minister at a local Quaker church.

So what about that?

Have we abandoned the old testament yet? I hope so.

Seriously? I doubt that a lot. Church today is a social club. But if that is the case, its a good thing I don't go to church.

Yes we have, the old testament/old covenant holds no power over us anymore. That is what Jesus came to fulfill, to complete, to bring to an end.

Women have always been considered to be property (of men) and not much has changed even in today's modern world.

Even today women are married off and traditionally the father gives her hand in marriage to the husband. She does not own herself.

Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property.

If you are an independent woman and want to stay that way, I suggest you do not get married. Back in the Biblical days, it was almost required for a woman to be owned/married.

I am sorry I ever got married. It was such a waste of time. I could have accomplished a lot in my life had I not wasted so much time married.

Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property.

And that is there problem lol. Church isn't for going to to discuss what you had for dinner the night before. Church is a building set up to make it easy to congregate to worship God and be out of the elements eg., rain, snow, wind, sun, ect.

If that were true, they the religions of the world would throw away the old testament and stop citing verses from it to justify their ridiculous religious ideas.

And if that were true, there would be no connection between Jesus and the God of Abraham.

The Preacher is only one person with one interpretation of the Bible. To say that only he is allowed to speak is ridiculous.

That would mean that only that one preacher has a right to an opinion. I suppose that anyone who disagrees with him or her should leave the church.

This is the reason there are so many different churches. People disagree and go create another church. Eventually every single individual person will be their own church.

I am already there. I am my own preacher.

Women are not property persay. The father gives his daughter away to the husband. The father then holds no more responsibility over that woman and has given all responsibility over to the husband to make sure she has food, water, is taken care of in every way in that aspect, and is safe.

Also you need to separate our "culture" of how this world/country is ran from it all. Cause by our society once someone is 18, their parents hold no more responsibility for them. That is not true. The parents are to ensure the child's safety and what not till the day they are dead. Thus when two are married, the dad gives this responsibility over to the husband.

The old testament is kept in the bibles for history. And better understand of the new testament, to understand the how's and why's of what has been done.

And what do you mean there would be no connection between Jesus and the God of Abraham? Who do you think the God of Abraham is? Who do you think created this world? Who do you think created even man and woman. Jesus did. Jesus is the LORD God.

It is also kept there for say the 7th Day Adventists. I have absolutely no idea why they believe the way they believe. But they do not believe Jesus to be the prophesied Son of God. They still follow the old testament/old covenant because they do not feel it's been fulfilled. They are still waiting for that promised messiah, which again they do not see Jesus as having been.

I know that women are not property.

But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous.

I would love to "separate our culture" from the old fashioned outdated religious traditions of 2000 years ago but guess what? The religions of the world keep shoving their crap onto society like it means something.

It is time for change. The old religion is on its way out. It has no place in this culture so it needs to be gone. Traditions are meaningless and are still repeated like they mean something.

Get rid of them.

But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous.

I think you are talking about the Jews, not the 7th day Adventists. I could be wrong. I was unaware that they did not believe in Jesus.