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Topic: Can mary save?
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Thu 12/06/12 03:38 PM

Can any human save another to heaven1 11 ? ? Only christ is the savior ! !Amen It is so!


now Joseph Smith Jr is the savior...you need his consent to enter Heaven

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Thu 12/06/12 05:06 PM


Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?

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Thu 12/06/12 06:30 PM



Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?


And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.

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Thu 12/06/12 06:50 PM



Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?


and you must have failed science class at catholic school

placing an embryo or fertilized egg into a person is called a transplant not conception

if Jesus placed himself into Mary then he wasn't conceived, that would makes him a Parasite or a "symbiant"

the bible states that Mary "conceive" ...that means her egg took sperm

some children just refuse to believe that their parents and their Gods had sex ...the same with Jesus and apparently you too

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Thu 12/06/12 07:09 PM

And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child

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Fri 12/07/12 03:48 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 12/07/12 03:51 AM




Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?


and you must have failed science class at catholic school

placing an embryo or fertilized egg into a person is called a transplant not conception

if Jesus placed himself into Mary then he wasn't conceived, that would makes him a Parasite or a "symbiant"

the bible states that Mary "conceive" ...that means her egg took sperm

some children just refuse to believe that their parents and their Gods had sex ...the same with Jesus and apparently you too


No that doesn't mean her egg took sperm lol.

Conceive - a : to become pregnant with (young) <conceive a child>

That is the first definition from the Webster's dictionary lol. Has absolutely nothing to do specifically with sperm or anything of such, just that is the only way we perceive it here on Earth. Because that is the only way it can be done by us mortals.

And Catholic school? What in the world are you talking about Funches?

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Fri 12/07/12 03:50 AM


And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child


No, doesn't say the Lord is "a" spirit. Says he is "the" spirit. And again "Spirit" is capitalized. Do you realize when a word is capitalized it is a proper noun? That is why it is known to be referring to the Holy Spirit.

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Fri 12/07/12 06:25 AM





Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?


and you must have failed science class at catholic school

placing an embryo or fertilized egg into a person is called a transplant not conception

if Jesus placed himself into Mary then he wasn't conceived, that would makes him a Parasite or a "symbiant"

the bible states that Mary "conceive" ...that means her egg took sperm

some children just refuse to believe that their parents and their Gods had sex ...the same with Jesus and apparently you too


No that doesn't mean her egg took sperm lol.

Conceive - a : to become pregnant with (young) <conceive a child>

That is the first definition from the Webster's dictionary lol. Has absolutely nothing to do specifically with sperm or anything of such, just that is the only way we perceive it here on Earth. Because that is the only way it can be done by us mortals.

And Catholic school? What in the world are you talking about Funches?


because all along you have been arguing Catholic Doctrine, the Catholics attempt to claim that Mary was something special,

but Jesus never claim that Mary was anything special, Jesus never taught or preach about Mary accomplishing anything beyond the average woman......Jesus only refer to her as "Woman"....this was intentional...to make sure he gave no reason why she or any women should be worshipped

the bible do not want Women to be worshipped in any way or held in high regards...they were no more than property

so go back and read all your posts....all you have being doing was preaching Catholic Dogma

except for that bit about you claiming that Mary didn't have the same DNA as Jesus...which is clearly scientology

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Fri 12/07/12 06:31 AM



And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child


No, doesn't say the Lord is "a" spirit. Says he is "the" spirit. And again "Spirit" is capitalized. Do you realize when a word is capitalized it is a proper noun? That is why it is known to be referring to the Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...there are lots of spirits floating around in Heaven on Earth and on The Sci-fi Channel..so unless it states that it was The Holy Spirit ...then it wasn't

which means that Jesus didn't imbreed with his Mother...I know you're disappointed with that possibility

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Fri 12/07/12 12:49 PM






Funches, please listen for once. I never said Marry didn't conceive Jesus. Not even mentioned at all. Marry did not have to have "sex" to conceive Jesus. God placed Jesus inside he womb without any "sex" taking place.


Cowboy....God didn't place Jesus into Mary...it was The Holy Spirit that enter into mary so that she could conceive...the bible clearly states that Mary "conceive"... and that takes an egg being fertilized...and sex

once the Holy Spirit enter Mary and impregnanted her...that was sex

perhaps it wasn't memorable to Mary or perhaps the Holy Spirit is a two minute man and it happen to quick for her to enjoy...but neverless... it was sex


How is that sex? I'm guessing you failed Sex Ed in school?


and you must have failed science class at catholic school

placing an embryo or fertilized egg into a person is called a transplant not conception

if Jesus placed himself into Mary then he wasn't conceived, that would makes him a Parasite or a "symbiant"

the bible states that Mary "conceive" ...that means her egg took sperm

some children just refuse to believe that their parents and their Gods had sex ...the same with Jesus and apparently you too


No that doesn't mean her egg took sperm lol.

Conceive - a : to become pregnant with (young) <conceive a child>

That is the first definition from the Webster's dictionary lol. Has absolutely nothing to do specifically with sperm or anything of such, just that is the only way we perceive it here on Earth. Because that is the only way it can be done by us mortals.

And Catholic school? What in the world are you talking about Funches?


because all along you have been arguing Catholic Doctrine, the Catholics attempt to claim that Mary was something special,

but Jesus never claim that Mary was anything special, Jesus never taught or preach about Mary accomplishing anything beyond the average woman......Jesus only refer to her as "Woman"....this was intentional...to make sure he gave no reason why she or any women should be worshipped

the bible do not want Women to be worshipped in any way or held in high regards...they were no more than property

so go back and read all your posts....all you have being doing was preaching Catholic Dogma

except for that bit about you claiming that Mary didn't have the same DNA as Jesus...which is clearly scientology


What in the world are you going on about Funches? I NEVER said one had to worship Marry, or that she was particularly more important then any other woman or even man or anybody for that matter. No she isn't to be worshipped, ONLY God is to be worshiped.

And how can you claim they were no more then property? The man was to love, cherish, provide, to respect the woman, and so forth. They weren't to be treated like dogs, or just an "object". What in the world are you talking about Funches?

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Fri 12/07/12 12:52 PM




And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child


No, doesn't say the Lord is "a" spirit. Says he is "the" spirit. And again "Spirit" is capitalized. Do you realize when a word is capitalized it is a proper noun? That is why it is known to be referring to the Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...there are lots of spirits floating around in Heaven on Earth and on The Sci-fi Channel..so unless it states that it was The Holy Spirit ...then it wasn't

which means that Jesus didn't imbreed with his Mother...I know you're disappointed with that possibility


PLEASE try to keep up Funches. She was conceived OF the Holy Spirit, she was conceived WITH the Holy Spirit, the being inside her womb WAS the Holy Spirit.

And when speaking of the Holy Spirit is the ONLY time "spirit" is capitalized.

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Fri 12/07/12 01:44 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Fri 12/07/12 01:46 PM
Jesus is actually Dionysus with the exception that god didn't boink Mary.The new testament is mostly written in greek and dionysus was a greek god of wine and grapes the festivals celebrating him are similar to jesus when jesus talks about eating bread is his flesh and drinking wine is his blood..blah,blah,blah.
Of course christians will say "there's no similarity." what would you expect from a christian.."you're right"?

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Fri 12/07/12 01:58 PM
Actually i think jesus may have existed but he was a renegade rabbi or a dam good actor.The authors of the bible just went buck wild with exaggerating him and using paganism along with the messiah proficies of the OT to make him out to be something he wasn't

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Fri 12/07/12 07:17 PM

What in the world are you going on about Funches? I NEVER said one had to worship Marry, or that she was particularly more important then any other woman or even man or anybody for that matter. No she isn't to be worshipped, ONLY God is to be worshiped.


because you like the Catholics are making claims that Mary magically got pregnant with no sperm..it's an attempt to give Mary Divinity, to be worshipped...the bible does not mention anything about mary conceiving without sperm and Jesus did not preach this.......


And how can you claim they were no more then property? The man was to love, cherish, provide, to respect the woman, and so forth. They weren't to be treated like dogs, or just an "object". What in the world are you talking about Funches?


Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them

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Fri 12/07/12 07:39 PM
Edited by funches on Fri 12/07/12 07:43 PM





And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child


No, doesn't say the Lord is "a" spirit. Says he is "the" spirit. And again "Spirit" is capitalized. Do you realize when a word is capitalized it is a proper noun? That is why it is known to be referring to the Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...there are lots of spirits floating around in Heaven on Earth and on The Sci-fi Channel..so unless it states that it was The Holy Spirit ...then it wasn't

which means that Jesus didn't imbreed with his Mother...I know you're disappointed with that possibility


PLEASE try to keep up Funches. She was conceived OF the Holy Spirit, she was conceived WITH the Holy Spirit, the being inside her womb WAS the Holy Spirit.


can you supply the bible passage that states that the Holy Spirit was the "being" growing in Mary's Womb

I doubt if you can...because that would also mean that The Holy Spirit was also stuck in Hell for three days...and that the Holy Spirit was crucified on the cross...the bible mention nothing about that


And when speaking of the Holy Spirit is the ONLY time "spirit" is capitalized.


some people try to claim that Gabriel the angel was The Holy Spirit and other claim that all angels are referred to as being spirits of God

that's why it dosen't make a difference if it's capitalized or written in braille....it it doesn't states that it's the Holy Spirit ...then it's just a plain old regular spirit like Casper the ghost..


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Fri 12/07/12 09:27 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 12/07/12 09:30 PM


What in the world are you going on about Funches? I NEVER said one had to worship Marry, or that she was particularly more important then any other woman or even man or anybody for that matter. No she isn't to be worshipped, ONLY God is to be worshiped.


because you like the Catholics are making claims that Mary magically got pregnant with no sperm..it's an attempt to give Mary Divinity, to be worshipped...the bible does not mention anything about mary conceiving without sperm and Jesus did not preach this.......


And how can you claim they were no more then property? The man was to love, cherish, provide, to respect the woman, and so forth. They weren't to be treated like dogs, or just an "object". What in the world are you talking about Funches?


Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them




because you like the Catholics are making claims that Mary magically got pregnant with no sperm..it's an attempt to give Mary Divinity, to be worshipped...the bible does not mention anything about mary conceiving without sperm and Jesus did not preach this.......


I really couldn't care less about what the Catholics think Funches. And no, she didn't "magically" get pregnant. God found favor in her, and she became pregnant with Jesus.

And sure it speaks of Mary conceiving without sperm, without sex, without anything but the will of God. BEFORE her and Joseph "came together", or in other words, while she was still a virgin.

Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them


Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach?

Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.

Has nothing to do with being "sexist". Women have privalages men can't do as well. And so forth. Different rules/laws for different groups of people.

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Fri 12/07/12 09:47 PM






And that is why it is said -

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Notice, the Lord IS that Spirit. And it is capitalized like that, I did not alter it or anything. I copy/pasted from the online scriptures as I usually do.


the passage states the Lord is a spirit...not the Holy Spirit

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that Jesus is the holy spirit

that means that Jesus had sex with his Mother and got her pregnant ....another example of imbreeding in the bible by the higher ups

but then that would explain why Jesus never called Mary Mother ...it would have been an incestous relationship ...her son fathered her child


No, doesn't say the Lord is "a" spirit. Says he is "the" spirit. And again "Spirit" is capitalized. Do you realize when a word is capitalized it is a proper noun? That is why it is known to be referring to the Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...there are lots of spirits floating around in Heaven on Earth and on The Sci-fi Channel..so unless it states that it was The Holy Spirit ...then it wasn't

which means that Jesus didn't imbreed with his Mother...I know you're disappointed with that possibility


PLEASE try to keep up Funches. She was conceived OF the Holy Spirit, she was conceived WITH the Holy Spirit, the being inside her womb WAS the Holy Spirit.


can you supply the bible passage that states that the Holy Spirit was the "being" growing in Mary's Womb

I doubt if you can...because that would also mean that The Holy Spirit was also stuck in Hell for three days...and that the Holy Spirit was crucified on the cross...the bible mention nothing about that


And when speaking of the Holy Spirit is the ONLY time "spirit" is capitalized.


some people try to claim that Gabriel the angel was The Holy Spirit and other claim that all angels are referred to as being spirits of God

that's why it dosen't make a difference if it's capitalized or written in braille....it it doesn't states that it's the Holy Spirit ...then it's just a plain old regular spirit like Casper the ghost..





some people try to claim that Gabriel the angel was The Holy Spirit and other claim that all angels are referred to as being spirits of God

that's why it dosen't make a difference if it's capitalized or written in braille....it it doesn't states that it's the Holy Spirit ...then it's just a plain old regular spirit like Casper the ghos


Gabriel couldn't possibly be the Holy Spirit. Gabriel is God's angel.

And what difference does it make you ask? Lol Funches, you do realize when a word is capitalized it is referring to a proper noun right? It is a name referring to a specific being. That is why when righting names, it is always capitalized.

2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

And also, notice it says "THAT" Spirit. It is referring to a specific Spirit.


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Sat 12/08/12 05:31 AM
Edited by funches on Sat 12/08/12 05:55 AM


And sure it speaks of Mary conceiving without sperm, without sex, without anything but the will of God. BEFORE her and Joseph "came together", or in other words, while she was still a virgin.


Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


Cowboy ...that passage states that Joseph didn't have sex with Mary..but do make it clear that The Holy Spirit had sex with Mary by pointing out the fact that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus thereby making Jesus a bastard child ....because his Father was not married to his Mother

sure is a lot of sinning going on

providing another reason why Mary shouldn't be worshipped




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Sat 12/08/12 05:39 AM
Edited by funches on Sat 12/08/12 05:49 AM


Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them


Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach?


wow


Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.


oh my godddddddddddddd ....oops...er... I meant WTF?


Has nothing to do with being "sexist". Women have privalages men can't do as well. And so forth. Different rules/laws for different groups of people.


Cowboy...this post clearly proves that you are a "religious sexist"

I can see that you would never vote in a woman for Pope ..God created that to be a Man's Job

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Sat 12/08/12 05:45 AM

Gabriel couldn't possibly be the Holy Spirit. Gabriel is God's angel.

And what difference does it make you ask? Lol Funches, you do realize when a word is capitalized it is referring to a proper noun right?


do you believe that more than one Spirit exist?

do you have a spirit?...so are you Cowboy The Holy Spirit

as I stated...if it doesn't states that it's "The Holy Spirit" ...then you shouldn't state that it is ...those that resort to doing that is trying to re-write the bible to fit their point of view

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