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Topic: Can mary save?
Up2Us Joined Sat 03/15/08 Posts: 3926	Fri 11/23/12 07:14 AM
Interesting post....

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14601	Mon 11/26/12 03:44 PM
Can mary save? No Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

icjking Joined Thu 07/26/12 Posts: 38	Tue 12/04/12 11:33 AM
Catholics believe that Mary and the saints who are in heaven can intercede for mankind. Their prays works, it has worked for me!

icjking Joined Thu 07/26/12 Posts: 38	Tue 12/04/12 11:36 AM
Mary intercedes for those who ask for her help.

icjking Joined Thu 07/26/12 Posts: 38	Tue 12/04/12 11:41 AM
The day I believe that some middle-eastern teenager who was raped by a Roman soldier has sway over my soul, please, please check me into a mental hospital. Raped by a Roman soldier? Where did you get this?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Tue 12/04/12 09:46 PM
The day I believe that some middle-eastern teenager who was raped by a Roman soldier has sway over my soul, please, please check me into a mental hospital. Raped by a Roman soldier? Where did you get this? It comes from the same place as the belief that Mary and the saints who are in heaven can intercede for mankind . . . from outside the Bible. In John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (ESV) In 1 Timothy 2:5 the Apostle Paul writes, "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (ESV) The New Testament teaches us to pray directly to the Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus. Nowhere does the New Testament say they we are to pray to a deceased sinner.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/04/12 09:51 PM
The day I believe that some middle-eastern teenager who was raped by a Roman soldier has sway over my soul, please, please check me into a mental hospital. Raped by a Roman soldier? Where did you get this? It comes from the same place as the belief that Mary and the saints who are in heaven can intercede for mankind . . . from outside the Bible. In John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (ESV) In 1 Timothy 2:5 the Apostle Paul writes, "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (ESV) The New Testament teaches us to pray directly to the Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus. Nowhere does the New Testament say they we are to pray to a deceased sinner. Very true, I always thought this belief of going through Marry was very strange. They get their knowledge from the same scriptures as everyone else, and yet it never says one must go through Marry or put her on any form of "pedestal". All the scriptures refer to going through Jesus, the only part that even remotely says anything about Marry in that way, was that God found favor in her or something like that.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 08:07 AM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her? Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Jesus made it clear that Mary should never be worshipped which is why he only refer to her as "Woman" and not "Mother" ...to do otherwise would have given Mary power over Men

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 12/05/12 11:03 AM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her? Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Jesus made it clear that Mary should never be worshipped which is why he only refer to her as "Woman" and not "Mother" ...to do otherwise would have given Mary power over Men How would that have given Marry power over men? Or over Jesus in particular? Parents only have "power" over a child until the child is 18, and that is only because of how our society is set up. Marry wasn't exactly Jesus' mother. Jesus did not have Marry's DNA, she did not have sex eg., procreate Jesus. Jesus was formed in Marry's womb. Nothing Marry did to create Jesus. Marry is Jesus' mother in concept wise eg., she gave birth to him. But in technicalities Marry couldn't possibly be Jesus' mother as again Jesus had no DNA of Marry.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 12:43 PM Edited by funches on Wed 12/05/12 12:44 PM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her? Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Jesus made it clear that Mary should never be worshipped which is why he only refer to her as "Woman" and not "Mother" ...to do otherwise would have given Mary power over Men How would that have given Marry power over men? Or over Jesus in particular? she along with her vagina would be consider divine to the male followers

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 12/05/12 12:45 PM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her? Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Jesus made it clear that Mary should never be worshipped which is why he only refer to her as "Woman" and not "Mother" ...to do otherwise would have given Mary power over Men How would that have given Marry power over men? Or over Jesus in particular? she along with her vagina would be consider divine to the male followers How so? What are you talking about? Who think's of Marry's vagina? And how would that make her "divine".

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 12:46 PM
Marry wasn't exactly Jesus' mother. Jesus did not have Marry's DNA, she did not have sex eg., procreate Jesus. Jesus was formed in Marry's womb. Nothing Marry did to create Jesus. oh jeez....another scientologist perhpas Mary's DNA was being discuss during "The Last Supper"

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 12:48 PM
How so? What are you talking about? Who think's of Marry's vagina? And how would that make her "divine". did Jesus pop out of her eye or her vagina?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 12/05/12 12:50 PM
How so? What are you talking about? Who think's of Marry's vagina? And how would that make her "divine". did Jesus pop out of her eye or her vagina? Yes but no one mentioned or referred to her vagina specifically until you did, no one was talking about it until you did. And this is the last post from me on her physical organs.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Wed 12/05/12 01:22 PM
Jesus did not have Marry's DNA. The Bible does not say that. The Bible does not teach that.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/05/12 01:30 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 12/05/12 01:31 PM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her? Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Jesus made it clear that Mary should never be worshipped which is why he only refer to her as "Woman" and not "Mother" ...to do otherwise would have given Mary power over Men How would that have given Marry power over men? Or over Jesus in particular? Parents only have "power" over a child until the child is 18, and that is only because of how our society is set up. Marry wasn't exactly Jesus' mother. Jesus did not have Marry's DNA, she did not have sex eg., procreate Jesus. Jesus was formed in Marry's womb. Nothing Marry did to create Jesus. Marry is Jesus' mother in concept wise eg., she gave birth to him. But in technicalities Marry couldn't possibly be Jesus' mother as again Jesus had no DNA of Marry. think of it this way cowboy Jesus had great foresight, to say the least if his followers and christians are taught that he is the way, it would be a delicate balancing act for him to refer to her as 'mother' without it affecting the reverence his Father Was meant to receive. for Mary was not his FATHERS wife, nor equal to his Father in the parental role or any other a man/woman are the result (in large part) of their PARENTS upbringing Jesus, came through Mary, but his instinct and upbringing was from God,,,,,,so his parental relationship would not be expected to be the 'normal' relationship there would be great risk of Mary being actually worshipped as equal to or above Jesus because of her parental role which , to many christians, is contrary to our belief that noone is above Jesus but God,,,, ,,,make more sense? as to Jesus not believing in womens rights,, we know that issues get confused and twisted here quite often for effect that one has nothing to do with this one,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 01:42 PM
as to Jesus not believing in womens rights,, we know that issues get confused and twisted here quite often for effect that one has nothing to do with this one,,, right..it's a sure bet that if Jesus wasn't crucified the 13th apostle would have been a woman

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Wed 12/05/12 01:53 PM
Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Just where does the Bible say that God gives any particular right to anyone? I know of only one right that the Bible says is given by God to people, the right mentioned in John 1:12: ...to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God...

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 01:56 PM
if his followers and christians are taught that he is the way, it would be a delicate balancing act for him to refer to her as 'mother' without it affecting the reverence his Father Was meant to receive. for Mary was not his FATHERS wife, nor equal to his Father in the parental role or any other Mary only carried Jesus for nine months and gave birth to him and never ever get called "Mother" by him.....apparently he felt his Father did all the hard work by getting Mary pregnant and therefore deserve all the praise

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/05/12 02:06 PM
Jesus wasn't all that Heavenly when it came to women rights Just where does the Bible say that God gives any particular right to anyone? to many to list...but two of the best examples are wives ahould submit and obey their husbands as to the Lord ... Women are to remain silent in churches and can not teach or preach religion to Men ...