Topic: This guy believes that the earth is growing.
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Wed 09/19/12 11:59 AM





Has anyone an answer to the question of the ancient fish fossils found on the upper plates (land masses) that are older than anything ever found in the ocean bed?




It was just explained to you. The plates change elevation with movement and what is now land, used to be ocean. Due to seafloor spreading, the ocean beds are some of the newest surfaces (planet surface) on the planet. Australia has some of the oldest.


Yes we all know that the earth was once covered with water..

so if the sea floor is spreading... where is it spreading to if the earth is not growing?

Can you refer me to an accepted scientific animated illustration that is at least as equally convincing as the one in this video?









if you have the history channel on TV, watch "how the earth was made", it explains everything you are confused about to a t... the fossils you are talking about were once underwater, but plate tectonics made the land raise and pushed them out of the water... New Zealand and the Alps are a very good example of this. As the plates come together, parts of the land are raised and are some are lowered and most are moved around... the earth, is smaller than it was when formed if anything, because of the moon being formed from it. here is a website, which i already know you won't read it or if you do, won't understand it...

http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/geologicalHistory.shtml


That still does not explain why the fossils on the upper plates are billions of years old and most of the fossils at the bottom of the ocean are only about 70 million years old.

It does not explain why the shapes of the continents (upper tectonics) all fit together perfectly. If the ocean is growing and spreading and the earth is not growing, then are you claiming that the continents are shrinking? If so, why do they all still remain basically the same shape and why do they all fit together neatly when you shrink the earth?

It does not explain why the oceans keep "spreading" and if they are spreading where are they spreading to?...if the earth is not growing? Spreading to where?

Also, I have watched the movie you mention and it is not as well explained (or convincing) as this youtube video. So "science" has either got it wrong or they are really lousy at explaining things.






there no fossils that are "billions" of years old, 700 million, tops. you can believe whatever fantasy you want, and we all could explain why your wrong for the next million years, but you won't listen. all you have to do is google plate tectonics, and all the information is out there, but you like your fantasy world better...

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Wed 09/19/12 12:00 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 09/19/12 12:04 PM







So the continents moving prove the earth is getting larger? Makes no sense.


Really? How does it make no sense?

How would you explain the fact that 1. The surface of the continents are older than the bottom of the ocean?

How would you explain the fact that the continents all fit perfectly together when you shrink the earth?

I think it makes perfect sense.


There is a barber here in town that has a chunk of rock with fossils that have been determined to be older than anything found in the bottom of the ocean, and it was found on dry continent. They were fossils that existed when the earth was covered with water. I don't remember how old they were, but scientists just say.... impossible. Then they won't say any more.

Scientists can't explain these fossils, so they just ignore them.


Plate Tectonics 101.


If "Plate Tectonics 101" could be completely wrong.

The upper tectonic plates of the earth also join totally in the pacific and the Atlantic.

Core samples from the sea bed are not much older than 70 million years because most of the under sea was not there.

Ancient fish fossils come from the land, not the oceans. The simple truth is apparently too upsetting for too many apple carts.

A child can recognize the Atlantic spread. The Pacific spread is so large it is hard to see, but all of the upper tectonic plates come together perfectly when you shrink the earth.

The plates are constantly moving due to convection forces of the Earth's mantel... and yes, they did all once fit together as is taught in Geology 101 but they were just in different places.


Really? I don't believe that.

If they all fit together then where were the Oceans?

Are you saying that the land and continents shrank but yet maintained their shapes?

laugh I don't believe that. It makes no sense.


It will make sense when you read up on it.


ummm.. remember who your talking to...


Here is what makes sense... the video makes sense. I have read up on all that other mumbo jumbo and it does not make sense... not to me.

If it is so simple and makes so much sense, then it should be easy to explain to someone like me who wants the easy sensible explanation. I don't need you to tell me to "read up on it" or "go to four years of college" or any of that nonsense. I don't have that kind of spare time.

If it is "so simple" then one of you geniuses should be able to explain it simply.

Otherwise prove to me that the earth is not 'alive' and growing.

Show me some simple to understand evidence that this is "impossible."

If you can't do that, then don't bother to try.

I don't want rude insults about how stupid or uneducated you think I am. I get enough of that crap from people who think they know it all but can't explain a damn thing.







you can get all pissy you want, but you don't want an explanation, you just want to argue. i gave you a website that shows how the fossils moved from ocean seabed to the tops of mountains, and you same the same thing no matter what we post on here... lots of people have tried to "talk" with about things, and the broken record comes out - "thats not proof", or I don't believe it" or how dumb we are for not believing your fantasy.

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Wed 09/19/12 12:31 PM
No, people don't "talk" or explain anything because they can't. All they ever do with me is tell me to go read this or go to college blah blah blah..

If it were so simple and you know all the reasons, then you guys would not resort to insults.


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Wed 09/19/12 12:50 PM
The UPPER tectonic plates of the earth also join in the Pacific. Their age is 2 billion and more. Not just partially, they join totally.

The sea bottom is anywhere between 1 and 180 million years old. 70% of the sea bottom is only 60 million years old. (That guy did not make that stuff up. Its a matter of record.) The under sea plate is new, and spreading at the riffs.

.."You are asking me to believe that the continents swim or drift about bumping and crashing into each other as if they are on a greased skillet."

He asks:
"Why does the scientific community desperately cling to and promote the idea that the ocean bottom is sliding under the continents and into a magma which is twice as dense as solid granite... a totally unsupportable and scientifically unsound idea? They have to, or else they would have to observe and admit that the earth is growing."

That is a big deal. That would change everything in science from the smallest particle to the whole universe. One hundred years of scientific theory out the window.






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Wed 09/19/12 12:55 PM
From your website:

"Scientists theorise that one of the great driving mechanisms of evolution is the movement of plates and the forces that act on them. This concept is commonly known as the theory of plate tectonics. This theory describes how the Earth's lithosphere is broken up into about a dozen plates or so which slide by, collide with or move away from each other as new ocean floor is created. The continents that are embedded in the lithosphere drift with the moving plates. This theory explains the concept of continental drift which describes the large scale movement of the continents over the globe."


Really? ... um... no it doesn't.

1. what "forces" are acting on the plates?

2. how can "new" ocean floor be created if the continents are just slipping and sliding around the globe.

3. and why do they all fit together perfectly when you shrink the globe?

.. perhaps because the earth is growing.

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Wed 09/19/12 01:00 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/19/12 01:01 PM
you can get all pissy you want, but you don't want an explanation, you just want to argue. i gave you a website that shows how the fossils moved from ocean seabed to the tops of mountains, and you same the same thing no matter what we post on here... lots of people have tried to "talk" with about things, and the broken record comes out - "thats not proof", or I don't believe it" or how dumb we are for not believing your fantasy.


I just want to argue? No, it is called debate. If you have anything that makes sense to ad to the debate, that is called a discussion.

I found this video extremely interesting and convincing. I have not seen anything like that coming from your mainstream "science."

I haven't yet heard anything except people who have accepted the current "theory" as fact and are not willing to consider an alternative and are defending the status quo as if it is the gospel of science and has been proven beyond doubt.






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Wed 09/19/12 01:15 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/19/12 01:17 PM
Mightmoe, this quote below was taken from the website you posted. It shows exactly what happens when a scientist, in this case Alfred L. Wegener, comes up with a new hypothesis.

He was told it was impossible. He was attacked by many critics and this eventually took its toll on his career. Despite his undisputed talents as a teacher and the continuing loyalty of his close associates, he was unable to obtain a professorship in a German university and eventually left Germany for the University of Graz in Austria.

That is a great example of what scientific academia is like and how poorly they are open to any new theories that upset their apple cart.

Not only that, his discoveries totally support this one of a growing earth.


Continental Drift

The hypothesis of continental drift was largely developed by Alfred L. Wegener, a German lecturer in astronomy and meteorology, who suggested that the Earth's continents had at one time been joined. In 1912, Wegener proposed that all the continents were previously one large continent, but then broke apart, and had drifted through the ocean floor to where they are now located. Wegener studied the distribution of animals and fossil land plants to help him in his interpretations. He found that the plant Glossopteris had left behind leaf remains which were relatively common in the Southern Hemisphere continents. This supported his hypothesis, as Wegener reasoned that in order for Glossopteris leaves to be found in the widely spaced continents of the Southern Hemisphere, the continents must once have been joined. Using this idea, he reconstructed all the continents which contained evidence for commonality into a supercontinent which he named Pangea. Interestingly this was all the southern continents, along with India. Wegener also studied the distribution of major rocks and mineral deposits. He found that when he fitted Africa and South America together along their continental shelves, large blocks of ancient rock called cratons formed continuous patterns across the dividing line. The mountains that run from east to west across South Africa seemed to link with the range near Buenos Aires in Argentina.

Wegeners's findings were published in 1915 in his book Die Entstehung der Kontinente und Ozeane (The origin of the continents and oceans). His ideas were not widely accepted as critics thought that the evidence was not strong enough, that the underlying cause of the drift was not explained and that the drift was impossible. He was attacked by many critics and this eventually took its toll on his career. Despite his undisputed talents as a teacher and the continuing loyalty of his close associates, he was unable to obtain a professorship in a German university and eventually left Germany for the University of Graz in Austria.

Through the discovery of palaeomagnetism after the second world war and the development of oceanography it was possible to support Wegener's theories and convert the critics.


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Wed 09/19/12 01:50 PM






So the continents moving prove the earth is getting larger? Makes no sense.


Really? How does it make no sense?

How would you explain the fact that 1. The surface of the continents are older than the bottom of the ocean?

How would you explain the fact that the continents all fit perfectly together when you shrink the earth?

I think it makes perfect sense.


There is a barber here in town that has a chunk of rock with fossils that have been determined to be older than anything found in the bottom of the ocean, and it was found on dry continent. They were fossils that existed when the earth was covered with water. I don't remember how old they were, but scientists just say.... impossible. Then they won't say any more.

Scientists can't explain these fossils, so they just ignore them.


Plate Tectonics 101.


If "Plate Tectonics 101" could be completely wrong.

The upper tectonic plates of the earth also join totally in the pacific and the Atlantic.

Core samples from the sea bed are not much older than 70 million years because most of the under sea was not there.

Ancient fish fossils come from the land, not the oceans. The simple truth is apparently too upsetting for too many apple carts.

A child can recognize the Atlantic spread. The Pacific spread is so large it is hard to see, but all of the upper tectonic plates come together perfectly when you shrink the earth.

The plates are constantly moving due to convection forces of the Earth's mantel... and yes, they did all once fit together as is taught in Geology 101 but they were just in different places.


Really? I don't believe that.

If they all fit together then where were the Oceans?

Are you saying that the land and continents shrank but yet maintained their shapes?

laugh I don't believe that. It makes no sense.


It will make sense when you read up on it.


ummm.. remember who your talking to...


Uh, yes. I forgot for a moment.

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Wed 09/19/12 01:53 PM
Yeast I tells ya,Yeast!

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Wed 09/19/12 01:54 PM
See what I mean? Nobody knows anything and can't discuss it.

laugh

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Wed 09/19/12 01:56 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/19/12 01:57 PM
Alfred L. Wegener, comes up with a new hypothesis and low and behold he was told it was impossible.

rofl rofl

That's classic hard headed science at work.

And hey, in case you weren't paying attention, I got that from YOUR website link.

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Wed 09/19/12 02:01 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 09/19/12 02:04 PM
Expanding Earth my 4ss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwg6Od49e8&feature=related

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Wed 09/19/12 02:12 PM

Maybe the earth is alive. Growing from sunlight.bigsmile
Guess where living things get the matter to grow from?

hint . . . not sunlight.


Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about science would fall for this one.


I take it from that comment that you have disproved the idea of pair creation resulting from highly energetic particles at the Earths core?
AWESOME! YEA YEA, THE EARTH HAS A QUANTUM MATTER GENERATOR IN THE CORE . . . THATS IT!

>>Bushido stats writing the screen play.

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Wed 09/19/12 03:01 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/19/12 03:03 PM



The main question of that condescending video is "Where does the extra mass come from?"

Now if you could live long enough to watch an acorn from a giant oak tree grow into a giant tree, you might ask the same question.

The tree grew because it is alive.

Look at someone weights 400 pounds and ask them where all that "extra mass" came from.

It grew because it is alive.

Watch a tiny plant grow to a tall stalk of corn .... where does that extra mass come from?



laugh

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Wed 09/19/12 03:06 PM
OMG I wonder where all this extra mass comes from?


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Wed 09/19/12 03:08 PM




The main question of that condescending video is "Where does the extra mass come from?"

Now if you could live long enough to watch an acorn from a giant oak tree grow into a giant tree, you might ask the same question.

The tree grew because it is alive.

Look at someone weights 400 pounds and ask them where all that "extra mass" came from.

It grew because it is alive.

Watch a tiny plant grow to a tall stalk of corn .... where does that extra mass come from?



laugh


It's cellular reproduction. Are you trying to say the Earth is doing this? Silicates aren't alive.

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Wed 09/19/12 03:09 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 09/19/12 03:10 PM

OMG I wonder where all this extra mass comes from?


JB are you really this stupid?

People just like plants get most of our matter from the atmosphere, and soil.

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Wed 09/19/12 03:14 PM
So what scientists are saying is that there one one big continent on the earth right? And the rest of the earth was ocean right?

Then this one big continent broke apart and spread all over the earth right?

So the ocean floor should be just as old at the rest of the mantle and yet its not? Right.

You say the ocean floor is "spreading" and the continents are "moving."

Why would the ocean floor be spreading? And where is it spreading to?

The way the guy in that video Bushi posted explained it, was very confusing not to mention condescending.


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Wed 09/19/12 03:15 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/19/12 03:17 PM


OMG I wonder where all this extra mass comes from?


JB are you really this stupid?

People just like plants get most of our matter from the atmosphere, and soil.



Yeh right. laugh
I think we get nutrients (energy) from the earth and sun, not "matter."

Yes, energy turns to matter eventually. I eat sugar and it turns into fat on my thigh.


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Wed 09/19/12 03:18 PM

So what scientists are saying is that there one one big continent on the earth right? And the rest of the earth was ocean right?

Then this one big continent broke apart and spread all over the earth right?

So the ocean floor should be just as old at the rest of the mantle and yet its not? Right.

You say the ocean floor is "spreading" and the continents are "moving."

Why would the ocean floor be spreading? And where is it spreading to?

The way the guy in that video Bushi posted explained it, was very confusing not to mention condescending.




Are you familiar with Vulcanism?