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Topic: Double Standard? Race Card?
msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 11:44 AM

Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet.
So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.



that explains it all,,,,nothing else to say,,,smh

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 07/13/12 11:53 AM
what makes 'my people' my people isnt that we merely ahe similar racial features, it is the RACIAL HISTORY We share


If we were still living in the 1960s, then what you say would make sense, but we are now living in the second decade of the 21st Century.
Instead of looking at way things are now, you appear to be looking backwards at the way things were before you were born.

In a previous post, you cited studies that show what appears to be continued residual systemic racism. However, you have not cited any specific example of you being the victim of any systemic racism.
If you can do that, then your argument would be more believable.

InvictusV's photo
Fri 07/13/12 11:56 AM

Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet.
So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.




I couldn't resist

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 11:56 AM

what makes 'my people' my people isnt that we merely ahe similar racial features, it is the RACIAL HISTORY We share


If we were still living in the 1960s, then what you say would make sense, but we are now living in the second decade of the 21st Century.
Instead of looking at way things are now, you appear to be looking backwards at the way things were before you were born.

In a previous post, you cited studies that show what appears to be continued residual systemic racism. However, you have not cited any specific example of you being the victim of any systemic racism.
If you can do that, then your argument would be more believable.


thats just it, systemic racism is about the INSTITUTION/SYSTEM, not about individual instances.


the information I provided about discrepancies within the judicial and educational systems ARE examples of systemic racism


my experiences with PERSONAL situations wouldnt serve as proof of the systemic situation,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 11:58 AM


Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet.
So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.




I couldn't resist



you do know nearly one third of muslims are 'white' ,, dont you?

do you suppose they are hoping to kill off white people too?

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:00 PM


what makes 'my people' my people isnt that we merely ahe similar racial features, it is the RACIAL HISTORY We share


If we were still living in the 1960s, then what you say would make sense, but we are now living in the second decade of the 21st Century.
Instead of looking at way things are now, you appear to be looking backwards at the way things were before you were born.

In a previous post, you cited studies that show what appears to be continued residual systemic racism. However, you have not cited any specific example of you being the victim of any systemic racism.
If you can do that, then your argument would be more believable.


thats just it, systemic racism is about the INSTITUTION/SYSTEM, not about individual instances.


the information I provided about discrepancies within the judicial and educational systems ARE examples of systemic racism


my experiences with PERSONAL situations wouldnt serve as proof of the systemic situation,,,

What personal situations with systemic racism?

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:02 PM



what makes 'my people' my people isnt that we merely ahe similar racial features, it is the RACIAL HISTORY We share


If we were still living in the 1960s, then what you say would make sense, but we are now living in the second decade of the 21st Century.
Instead of looking at way things are now, you appear to be looking backwards at the way things were before you were born.

In a previous post, you cited studies that show what appears to be continued residual systemic racism. However, you have not cited any specific example of you being the victim of any systemic racism.
If you can do that, then your argument would be more believable.


thats just it, systemic racism is about the INSTITUTION/SYSTEM, not about individual instances.


the information I provided about discrepancies within the judicial and educational systems ARE examples of systemic racism


my experiences with PERSONAL situations wouldnt serve as proof of the systemic situation,,,

What personal situations with systemic racism?




ONE personal example will not be 'systemic'

InvictusV's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:09 PM



Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet.
So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.




I couldn't resist



you do know nearly one third of muslims are 'white' ,, dont you?

do you suppose they are hoping to kill off white people too?


actually.. I had typed a long post explaining the differences between NOI and real muslims.

then I thought.. why try to explain it?

it seems you are the only one defending BLT and NOI, so I would just be preaching to the choir.

so I then decided to post this pretty comical picture that depicts the sheer absurdity of obama's position that while attending a black liberation church he never heard any disparaging remarks about non blacks in the 20 years he attended services.

so here we are


willing2's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:29 PM
I have my rights to be served a BLT in a muslim deli.:wink: laugh smokin

Allah preaches violence against the kafirs and helps Muslims to kill them. The Koran says that cruelty and hatred of the kafir is a sacred duty for Muslims.

BLT does not preach violence against whites, but excuses and justifies it. BLT also justifies black crime as a legal way for oppressed blacks to strike back at the white oppressors. It sees a rapist or killer of whites as a revolutionary committing a legitimate act of a just war.

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:33 PM
defending blt?

does that refer to black liberatian theology?


lol


I will refer back to this thread often to have Black liberation theology explained to me,,,,,laugh laugh laugh

willing2's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:52 PM
It's more about informing those who have no idea what BLT and NOI are all about.

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 12:54 PM

It's more about informing those who have no idea what BLT and NOI are all about.




lol, yeah, some great sources of information here for them,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 01:00 PM
http://www.noi.org/about_beliefs_and_wants.shtml


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89236116

Chazster's photo
Fri 07/13/12 02:50 PM





True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?


I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that.


you dont think 'perception' leads most westerners to assume what muslims believe?

for instance, the bible has just about everything in it that the quran does, from a different author , applied to different situations,, but still there

but people dont generally have the same prejudice against christians (and largely because christians arent so easily recognizable by their garb or geographical region)....


there are 'christians' who support abortion and death penalty , which are heinous in the eyes of other christians

people from all faiths view war differently as do they have different priorities on what justifies war,,,and all wars end up with the powerless and innocent dying,,,,


The Bible does not say to go out and kill people who are not your religion. And there are not a large group of people doing this all over the world. SouthPark didn't get censored from showing a pictures of Jesus because they thought they would very attacked by Christians. Yet a whole Muslim episode is gone, not only, not on DVD, was edited extremely when it went on air the first time, some countries refused to air it at all. Let's not pretend any other religion is close to this currently.


this is what I mean about perception, if we dont hear about it we feel it must not apply


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



that is from the BIBLE,,,although 'christian' people rarely cite it when they are convicted of murders and rarely have it mentioned either,,,

I doubt southpark was 'attacked' for merely showing 'picture's of Allah,,,

we have a strong cultural representation where censoring is concerned, in many places they have no problem with children seeing nudity but here we censor it

in others , they take their religious 'imagery' as serious as they take childrens sensitivity in other places


it is different CULTURAL Values that dont exactly validate the bigotry that those in those cultures face,,,,


You didn't even bring you Christians until the posts above quoted from my post with singmesweet. Did you forget already?

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 07/13/12 03:30 PM

once again...it 's NOT a question of color...it's a question of class...


AND ONCE AGAIN - I repeat:

What is it about 'class' that causes racism and other bias to continue?

I asked before to give you an opportunity to join the discussion in a meaningful way.

As you or original statement stands, it has different connotations and rather than make assumptions I asked for further input about the statement.

Would you like to join the discussion becuase I would like to hear how you relate class to racism and other bias?

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/13/12 03:42 PM






True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?


I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that.


you dont think 'perception' leads most westerners to assume what muslims believe?

for instance, the bible has just about everything in it that the quran does, from a different author , applied to different situations,, but still there

but people dont generally have the same prejudice against christians (and largely because christians arent so easily recognizable by their garb or geographical region)....


there are 'christians' who support abortion and death penalty , which are heinous in the eyes of other christians

people from all faiths view war differently as do they have different priorities on what justifies war,,,and all wars end up with the powerless and innocent dying,,,,


The Bible does not say to go out and kill people who are not your religion. And there are not a large group of people doing this all over the world. SouthPark didn't get censored from showing a pictures of Jesus because they thought they would very attacked by Christians. Yet a whole Muslim episode is gone, not only, not on DVD, was edited extremely when it went on air the first time, some countries refused to air it at all. Let's not pretend any other religion is close to this currently.


this is what I mean about perception, if we dont hear about it we feel it must not apply


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



that is from the BIBLE,,,although 'christian' people rarely cite it when they are convicted of murders and rarely have it mentioned either,,,

I doubt southpark was 'attacked' for merely showing 'picture's of Allah,,,

we have a strong cultural representation where censoring is concerned, in many places they have no problem with children seeing nudity but here we censor it

in others , they take their religious 'imagery' as serious as they take childrens sensitivity in other places


it is different CULTURAL Values that dont exactly validate the bigotry that those in those cultures face,,,,


You didn't even bring you Christians until the posts above quoted from my post with singmesweet. Did you forget already?



your reference isnt clear,,,,

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 07/13/12 03:58 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Fri 07/13/12 04:01 PM





Me bad.
He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off.
I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization.



I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,,

His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak.
Hmmmmm.



Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,





Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this.


American Christians went to Africa to bolster Christian hostility toward gays and lesbians. In Uganda, it was Christians who supported the death penalty for gays and lesbians.

In this country, children as young as 14 have been censored from radio programs for thier hostile attitude and verbal hatred of gays and lesbians. Pastors have recently been taped preaching to their congregations things like - they (gays & lesbians) should rounded up and put in a gated community until they die.

Christians in this country (male and female)in the past and present, have played a major role in limiting the freedom and equal opportunites of women.

Christians in this country are insisting on teaching public school children illogical concepts as an alternative to science. WHY IS THAT A REALLY BAD IDEA?

Well, recently North Carolina wanted to pass a law that would forbid scientists from making reports about rising sea levels derived from using the latest scientifically designed tools for calculations. The state's reason was that such data would hurt the coastal development in that state.

The language in the legislation was adjusted before being passed. The state reps now want the scientists to look at the ‘so-called’ scientific literature that debunks rising water levels and would like scientist to re-evaluate their findings by incorporating what they learn….DUH!!!! oops offtopic

So back to one of the branches that shot off the topic - How far do trust such mentality, how much rope do you give it, before you fear that words and illogical concepts will become violent acts?

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 07/13/12 04:07 PM

Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet.
So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.


then Christian is Christian is Christian. If you read my post above this one - do you think I will catch hell for using the same comparison? I do becasue not all Christians, contrary to what most of them claim, believe the same thing or in the same way.

Since we know for fact that not all Christians hole the same attitudes and beliefs - then we know that idea must generalize to other religious populations - therefore, muslims can be as different in their beliefs and attitudes as Christians.

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 07/13/12 04:18 PM







Me bad.
He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off.
I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization.



I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,,

His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak.
Hmmmmm.



Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,





Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this.



no, but they do it in the name of 'democracy' or 'patriotism' or 'national defense'

who cares?, the victims sure dont

if the christian reference is too uncomfortable, let me use another analogy





Im sure plenty of 'americans' (soldiers) have been (HISTORICALLY) and continue to be committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,


Americans (politicians) also help fund atrocities, but that has nothing to do with what I personally want just because I Am also an american

using the minority to define the majority continues to be a fail ,,,,,,




See since you can't defend your argument you change it. Do you even remember the argument? It was about justified vs unjustified prejudice. As long as any group poses a threat to people there will be prejudices there. According to Daniel Pipes, Harvard Author and Arabologist 10-15% of Muslims are radical, but in Europe it's closer to 50% and the US is closer to 80%. That isn't a minority. Even the 10*15% chance is pretty big when you know how violent they cab be.


So let me ask you --- what emotion is tied to prejudice and why does it 'justifies' some prejudice but not other prejudices?

willing2's photo
Fri 07/13/12 04:22 PM








Me bad.
He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off.
I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization.



I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,,

His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak.
Hmmmmm.



Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,





Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this.



no, but they do it in the name of 'democracy' or 'patriotism' or 'national defense'

who cares?, the victims sure dont

if the christian reference is too uncomfortable, let me use another analogy





Im sure plenty of 'americans' (soldiers) have been (HISTORICALLY) and continue to be committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,


Americans (politicians) also help fund atrocities, but that has nothing to do with what I personally want just because I Am also an american

using the minority to define the majority continues to be a fail ,,,,,,




See since you can't defend your argument you change it. Do you even remember the argument? It was about justified vs unjustified prejudice. As long as any group poses a threat to people there will be prejudices there. According to Daniel Pipes, Harvard Author and Arabologist 10-15% of Muslims are radical, but in Europe it's closer to 50% and the US is closer to 80%. That isn't a minority. Even the 10*15% chance is pretty big when you know how violent they cab be.


So let me ask you --- what emotion is tied to prejudice and why does it 'justifies' some prejudice but not other prejudices?


In this thread, negro hatred of whites is being justified.
Radical groups wanting whites dead is justified.
Why is that acceptable and embraced?

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