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Topic: Double Standard? Race Card?
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 09:22 AM
Looks like the only difference between Duke and Eugene is skin color. except I dont think Farrakhan actually sported a Nazi Uniform,,,but I dont know and social status (from birth) Farrakhan is about thirty years Dukes senior and lived during and through much HARSHER times,,,and I think Farrakhan has spent more time growing up... Because as a youngster I longed to see the Black man free and I longed to see anyone stand up for us. Louis Farrakhan And I hope that five years and 10 years from now, I'll be a better man, a more mature man, a wiser man, a more humble man and a more spirited man to serve the good of my people and the good of humanity. Louis Farrakhan Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_farrakhan.html#2LoCuWktpgmjQQL5.99 quite a few differences there but they are similarly 'seperatists' although Minister Farakkhan is not as STRICTLY tied to the notion of seperatism as Duke is Minister Louis Farrakhan: "First, the program starts with number one. That is number four. The first part of that program is that we want freedom, a full and complete freedom. The second is, we want justice. We want equal justice under the law, and we want justice applied equally to all, regardless of race or class or color. And the third is that we want equality. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society. If we can get that within the political, economic, social system of America, there's no need for point number four. But if we cannot get along in peace after giving America 400 years of our service and sweat and labor, then, of course, separation would be the solution to our race problem."

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 07/13/12 09:24 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Fri 07/13/12 09:25 AM


msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 09:26 AM
Shared history is not exclusive to African Americans, all "American" ethnic groups have a shared history...HIstory is important...It should not be forgotten, it does serve a valid purpose as a point of reference in the present...HOWEVER...It does get tiresome, it does sound hypocritical, and it often comes across as a double standard when African Americans use their history as a point of reference to defend, excuse, or explain current actions or circumstances...Phrases like "my people", "your people", "their people", and "race card" can sound discriminatory even when that is not the speakers intention....There is a time and a place for everything...A discussion about racial discrimination is not the place to stress blackness or whiteness and will always be a set up to fail as clearly demonstrated in the very first post to the OP... IM curious, if the time an place to discuss 'blackness' or 'whitness' in AMERICA where within my MOTHERS lifetime that very characteristic was the difference between where you were and wernt allowed to live, be educated, or even go pee,,,,,is not in a racial discrimination discussion when is the time? IM sorry that its 'tiresome', but its 'tiresome' to me to hear about alot of repetitive complaints about other issues this is a discussion forum, an in a discussion on race, RACE is going to be mentioned,,, and we absolutely CANNOT Discuss racial disparities and discrimination occurring in AMERICA Without mentioning it,,, Morning Harmony...I was expressing my personal feelings about what was already being discussed and I stand by them....At the risk of sounding like a racist, which I am not, I am going to be brutally honest and speak to the other side of your arguement...I'll start by saying two things...I am far from perfect and I always try....That means, like everyone else who is doing something they care about, I make mistakes, SO DO YOU....I believe you started this thread because you are tired of what you perceive to be negative "group" labeling against your race...That tells me you started it with preconceptions about discrimination with respect to some of the posters here..You have also made it clear that you are tired of Obama bashing and have insisted many times that the bashing was race related when it was not....People who engage in the more serious threads usually do it because they care, not because they like to argue and fight....Your thread title has the potential to incite anger and was unecessary, way beneath your capabilities... It is also counterproductive to meaningful conversation....Some of the things you say and the context in which you say them do, in my humble opinion, sound racist..In spite of your obvious intelligence, your extremely strong commitment to your causes combined with your stubborn nature, often stalemate good conversation.... I am hoping against hope that this does not anger you or hurt your feelings because I value your imput, more often than not enjoy your posts...I have learned a great deal from reading you.... I am not hurt. I am quite aware that different experience breeds different perception and quite used to the perception you express. My intention is not to incite people, yet I also do not intend to be silenced in any way when people attempt to 'incite' me. The title of my thread was actually a RESPONSE to what someone else posted about a post I made in another THREAD , rather than sending that thread off topic, I merely created a new thread to address that issue. Life is complex, and some topics are not as comfortable and fun as others are, but I trust there is the maturity and intelligence within this group to rise above the 'uncomfortableness' , because if we only ever tackled what was comfortable as individuals as communities as a country , we might not make much progress at all,,,,

Giocamo Joined Tue 08/19/08 Posts: 3297	Fri 07/13/12 09:32 AM
once again...it 's NOT a question of color...it's a question of class...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 09:39 AM
once again...it 's NOT a question of color...it's a question of class... depends entirely on the 'IT' one refers to discrimination can be a question of race, gender, nationality, ethnicity, culture,, or any number of things up to and including 'class'

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 09:47 AM
Eugene sports terroristic muslim garb. I believe they have killed more folks than hitler. Eugene's side wins award for the most atrocities commited against humanity, hands down.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 09:49 AM
Eugene sports terroristic muslim garb. I believe they have killed more folks than hitler. Eugene's side wins award for the most atrocities commited against humanity, hands down. no clue what you are even referring to, but its great to live where we are free to 'believe' whatever we want to,,, whether its true, or not

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 09:55 AM
Uh, he converted to muslim, started the nation of islam and would have whitey wiped off the face of the earth. That about sums the pathetic loser up.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 10:03 AM
Uh, he converted to muslim, started the nation of islam and would have whitey wiped off the face of the earth. That about sums the pathetic loser up. He joined the NATION OF ISLAM (which is one type of muslim culture centered around AFRICAN AMERICAN Cultures) He didnt start the Nation of Islam ,that was Elijah Mohammed and as far as having anyone wiped off the face of the earth, thats what you BELIEVE he wants, and thats your perogative,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 10:21 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 10:27 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 10:33 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 10:38 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm. Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,,

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 07/13/12 10:48 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm. Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 10:59 AM Edited by msharmony on Fri 07/13/12 11:00 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm. Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this. no, but they do it in the name of 'democracy' or 'patriotism' or 'national defense' who cares?, the victims sure dont if the christian reference is too uncomfortable, let me use another analogy Im sure plenty of 'americans' (soldiers) have been (HISTORICALLY) and continue to be committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Americans (politicians) also help fund atrocities, but that has nothing to do with what I personally want just because I Am also an american using the minority to define the majority continues to be a fail ,,,,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 11:09 AM
Can't deny eugen's brothers are out there doing mohameds comand. His brothers are also out there selling pre-pubesent children to nasty pedophiles. Wonder how many Elijah owns to meet his needs when he goes over to mecca?

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 07/13/12 11:12 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm. Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this. no, but they do it in the name of 'democracy' or 'patriotism' or 'national defense' who cares?, the victims sure dont if the christian reference is too uncomfortable, let me use another analogy Im sure plenty of 'americans' (soldiers) have been (HISTORICALLY) and continue to be committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Americans (politicians) also help fund atrocities, but that has nothing to do with what I personally want just because I Am also an american using the minority to define the majority continues to be a fail ,,,,,, See since you can't defend your argument you change it. Do you even remember the argument? It was about justified vs unjustified prejudice. As long as any group poses a threat to people there will be prejudices there. According to Daniel Pipes, Harvard Author and Arabologist 10-15% of Muslims are radical, but in Europe it's closer to 50% and the US is closer to 80%. That isn't a minority. Even the 10*15% chance is pretty big when you know how violent they cab be.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 11:30 AM
Can't deny eugen's brothers are out there doing mohameds comand. His brothers are also out there selling pre-pubesent children to nasty pedophiles. Wonder how many Elijah owns to meet his needs when he goes over to mecca? I can deny that it is his 'wish' though unless you believe all americans, or christians, or muslims wish for the same things,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/13/12 11:35 AM Edited by msharmony on Fri 07/13/12 11:35 AM
Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. I dont know of any current plans or interests in 'killing off' non believers,,,, His muslim brothers all over the world are busy doing just that, as we speak. Hmmmmm. Im sure plenty of 'christians' are committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Bet they are not doing it in the name of Christianity. Bet they are not raised to believe it is their Christian duty to do that. We can give clear evidence of this for Muslims. Please give us evidence Christians are doing this. no, but they do it in the name of 'democracy' or 'patriotism' or 'national defense' who cares?, the victims sure dont if the christian reference is too uncomfortable, let me use another analogy Im sure plenty of 'americans' (soldiers) have been (HISTORICALLY) and continue to be committing terrible acts around the world at this moment too,,,has nothing to do with my personal wishes though,,, Americans (politicians) also help fund atrocities, but that has nothing to do with what I personally want just because I Am also an american using the minority to define the majority continues to be a fail ,,,,,, See since you can't defend your argument you change it. Do you even remember the argument? It was about justified vs unjustified prejudice. As long as any group poses a threat to people there will be prejudices there. According to Daniel Pipes, Harvard Author and Arabologist 10-15% of Muslims are radical, but in Europe it's closer to 50% and the US is closer to 80%. That isn't a minority. Even the 10*15% chance is pretty big when you know how violent they cab be. noooo my 'argument' was actually a response to this post Me bad. He's just the leader who wants whitey and non-believers killed off. I forgot about elgiah pajamas starting the terrorist organization. its about trying to project the actions of a minority onto the majority or to assume its the desire of that majority ,,,, NOI is a WESTERN branch of the ISLAM faith, tying it together with ALL branches is disingenouous and certainly when one assumes that one member 'wishes' something based upon what other branches of their 'religion' may believe in they are using fallacious logic,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/13/12 11:43 AM
Muslim is muslim is muslim. They all follow the same doctrine and believe the pedophile mohamed is their prophet. So, yes, it's safe to say eugene's islam is the same as the rest.