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the errors were put there on purpose to create doubt the bible is like a password protected file you will never understand it without faith some do not hold the key there is only one way you can not pick the lock or build a tower you have free will if any man has ears let him hear That might have been the case if there would have been errors in the bible. |
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ALL Christians Believe God is ONE ENTITY!!! (except for cults, who don't believe). Even all mainline denominations agree on this basic simple truth of the gospel..that God is ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!!! I couldn't care less what "all christians" believe. I don't believe purely what "Christians" believe. "Christian" is man made. I care about what the scriptures say, not what some religion says. And the scriptures say specifically separate God the father from God the son all the way back to Genesis, thus showing two separate ENTITIES. Are you sure you don't read some Hollywood's scenario of "Holy scriptures' by Steven Spielberg ?   And to be correct in what I ask you may you tell us what kind or the name of scriptures you read ??  lol yeah I'm sure I don't read anything from Steven. I read the Holy Bible and it's scriptures. I usually go with King James, but I most always cross reference mongst the different interpretations with one another. I think that you start to confuse totally the religion .  More and more Jesus starts to appear like some character of cartoon net and with bible interpretation for the beginners of courses "How to be a writer" ... Pls try to read the bible first ...or soon Jesus gonna send us here , in the forums, hell fire reading your free translations and hypothesis . Are you sure Dan Brawn didn't call you ..lol Many have said there were errors, for have shown the errors and succeeded. So when you just say there's errors without showing the error, your comments are mute and in vein, for they are just an accusation with nothing to back the statement in any way. The errors came from later translation of bible and after editing it in purpose to serve the needs of churches after Nicaea, 321-325 . Many of the scriptures have been changed or added new . That editing was unacceptable for east part of Christians /latter Orthodox Greek church/ who appealed for keeping the original translation /version of bible , and also unacceptable for the west Christians /latter Catholics / insisted for more powerful and strong religious scriptures in it. Latter many errors come out of that 'new edition' of the bible and in many places there are contradictions in facts , even in gospels describe the same event CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments . To discuss something we need knowledge at least abt the subject we discuss on ... Other way that is bla bla or to seek for attention. Or .... call Dan Brown telling him your version .. Well first off, what you are claiming I said in this post, I did not say. CowboyGH if you read again your 'errors' comment above mine you gonna understand what and why I wrote that .. Secondly how do you know it was altered? Changed? Added to? Or anything else? Can you and have you read the original hebrew version of the scriptures? I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources ... CowboyGH said : Because from my research, it is very close to the original. hahhaaha you are a funny guy ... omg nooooooooo comment 
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Peter_Pan69
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ALL Christians Believe God is ONE ENTITY!!! (except for cults, who don't believe). Even all mainline denominations agree on this basic simple truth of the gospel..that God is ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!!! I couldn't care less what "all christians" believe. I don't believe purely what "Christians" believe. "Christian" is man made. I care about what the scriptures say, not what some religion says. And the scriptures say specifically separate God the father from God the son all the way back to Genesis, thus showing two separate ENTITIES. Are you sure you don't read some Hollywood's scenario of "Holy scriptures' by Steven Spielberg ? And to be correct in what I ask you may you tell us what kind or the name of scriptures you read ?? lol yeah I'm sure I don't read anything from Steven. I read the Holy Bible and it's scriptures. I usually go with King James, but I most always cross reference mongst the different interpretations with one another. I think that you start to confuse totally the religion . More and more Jesus starts to appear like some character of cartoon net and with bible interpretation for the beginners of courses "How to be a writer" ... Pls try to read the bible first ...or soon Jesus gonna send us here , in the forums, hell fire reading your free translations and hypothesis . Are you sure Dan Brawn didn't call you ..lol Many have said there were errors, for have shown the errors and succeeded. So when you just say there's errors without showing the error, your comments are mute and in vein, for they are just an accusation with nothing to back the statement in any way. The errors came from later translation of bible and after editing it in purpose to serve the needs of churches after Nicaea, 321-325 . Many of the scriptures have been changed or added new . That editing was unacceptable for east part of Christians /latter Orthodox Greek church/ who appealed for keeping the original translation /version of bible , and also unacceptable for the west Christians /latter Catholics / insisted for more powerful and strong religious scriptures in it. Latter many errors come out of that 'new edition' of the bible and in many places there are contradictions in facts , even in gospels describe the same event CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments . To discuss something we need knowledge at least abt the subject we discuss on ... Other way that is bla bla or to seek for attention. Or .... call Dan Brown telling him your version .. Well first off, what you are claiming I said in this post, I did not say. CowboyGH if you read again your 'errors' comment above mine you gonna understand what and why I wrote that .. Secondly how do you know it was altered? Changed? Added to? Or anything else? Can you and have you read the original hebrew version of the scriptures? I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources ... CowboyGH said : Because from my research, it is very close to the original. hahhaaha you are a funny guy ... omg nooooooooo comment I'm pretty sure he thought you meant "his" (Cowboy's) errors... Except for his latest post, that is... Context ppl, context... |
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ALL Christians Believe God is ONE ENTITY!!! (except for cults, who don't believe). Even all mainline denominations agree on this basic simple truth of the gospel..that God is ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!!! I couldn't care less what "all christians" believe. I don't believe purely what "Christians" believe. "Christian" is man made. I care about what the scriptures say, not what some religion says. And the scriptures say specifically separate God the father from God the son all the way back to Genesis, thus showing two separate ENTITIES. Are you sure you don't read some Hollywood's scenario of "Holy scriptures' by Steven Spielberg ? And to be correct in what I ask you may you tell us what kind or the name of scriptures you read ?? lol yeah I'm sure I don't read anything from Steven. I read the Holy Bible and it's scriptures. I usually go with King James, but I most always cross reference mongst the different interpretations with one another. I think that you start to confuse totally the religion . More and more Jesus starts to appear like some character of cartoon net and with bible interpretation for the beginners of courses "How to be a writer" ... Pls try to read the bible first ...or soon Jesus gonna send us here , in the forums, hell fire reading your free translations and hypothesis . Are you sure Dan Brawn didn't call you ..lol Many have said there were errors, for have shown the errors and succeeded. So when you just say there's errors without showing the error, your comments are mute and in vein, for they are just an accusation with nothing to back the statement in any way. The errors came from later translation of bible and after editing it in purpose to serve the needs of churches after Nicaea, 321-325 . Many of the scriptures have been changed or added new . That editing was unacceptable for east part of Christians /latter Orthodox Greek church/ who appealed for keeping the original translation /version of bible , and also unacceptable for the west Christians /latter Catholics / insisted for more powerful and strong religious scriptures in it. Latter many errors come out of that 'new edition' of the bible and in many places there are contradictions in facts , even in gospels describe the same event CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments . To discuss something we need knowledge at least abt the subject we discuss on ... Other way that is bla bla or to seek for attention. Or .... call Dan Brown telling him your version .. Well first off, what you are claiming I said in this post, I did not say. CowboyGH if you read again your 'errors' comment above mine you gonna understand what and why I wrote that .. Secondly how do you know it was altered? Changed? Added to? Or anything else? Can you and have you read the original hebrew version of the scriptures? I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources ... CowboyGH said : Because from my research, it is very close to the original. hahhaaha you are a funny guy ... omg nooooooooo comment You claimed I said that following quote, which I did not say. CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. |
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ALL Christians Believe God is ONE ENTITY!!! (except for cults, who don't believe). Even all mainline denominations agree on this basic simple truth of the gospel..that God is ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!!! I couldn't care less what "all christians" believe. I don't believe purely what "Christians" believe. "Christian" is man made. I care about what the scriptures say, not what some religion says. And the scriptures say specifically separate God the father from God the son all the way back to Genesis, thus showing two separate ENTITIES. Are you sure you don't read some Hollywood's scenario of "Holy scriptures' by Steven Spielberg ? And to be correct in what I ask you may you tell us what kind or the name of scriptures you read ?? lol yeah I'm sure I don't read anything from Steven. I read the Holy Bible and it's scriptures. I usually go with King James, but I most always cross reference mongst the different interpretations with one another. I think that you start to confuse totally the religion . More and more Jesus starts to appear like some character of cartoon net and with bible interpretation for the beginners of courses "How to be a writer" ... Pls try to read the bible first ...or soon Jesus gonna send us here , in the forums, hell fire reading your free translations and hypothesis . Are you sure Dan Brawn didn't call you ..lol Many have said there were errors, for have shown the errors and succeeded. So when you just say there's errors without showing the error, your comments are mute and in vein, for they are just an accusation with nothing to back the statement in any way. The errors came from later translation of bible and after editing it in purpose to serve the needs of churches after Nicaea, 321-325 . Many of the scriptures have been changed or added new . That editing was unacceptable for east part of Christians /latter Orthodox Greek church/ who appealed for keeping the original translation /version of bible , and also unacceptable for the west Christians /latter Catholics / insisted for more powerful and strong religious scriptures in it. Latter many errors come out of that 'new edition' of the bible and in many places there are contradictions in facts , even in gospels describe the same event CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments . To discuss something we need knowledge at least abt the subject we discuss on ... Other way that is bla bla or to seek for attention. Or .... call Dan Brown telling him your version .. Well first off, what you are claiming I said in this post, I did not say. CowboyGH if you read again your 'errors' comment above mine you gonna understand what and why I wrote that .. Secondly how do you know it was altered? Changed? Added to? Or anything else? Can you and have you read the original hebrew version of the scriptures? I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources ... CowboyGH said : Because from my research, it is very close to the original. hahhaaha you are a funny guy ... omg nooooooooo comment You claimed I said that following quote, which I did not say. CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. neeeeeeevermind on what I thought you were claiming I said lol. My apologies. You were saying to me, not saying I was saying it. Again, my apologies. Just noticed how you type things out. When you're addressing a specific person you do as such Certain someone, xxxxxx xx xxxx xx..... And when you're quoting someone you do, Certain someone said: ..... Again, my apologies. |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Thu 03/01/12 04:09 PM
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I don't take the Bible litteraly, do you??? You cant destroy us in a debate where we agree that taking the bible literally is a mistake. ugh Peter, its just painful to see you think this is a win, or even a debate at all lol. Well, the ONLY one here upholding that stance is you and others like you. When challenged, you refused to uphold your claim... What did you resort to? Something akin to "well that's what so-and-so church taught me..." LOL! Sheeple, even from outside the flock... Even under this new light of my position, you STILL cannot uphold your claims. (call me psychic if u like) It is people like you who assert that everyone must take it literally, or believe your interpretations. Kinda strange from a non-believer if you ask me. That's why it is hillarious. I've asked numerous ppl at numerous times to support their "Infallible Word of God" positions, it's never happened. I've asked you, specifically, to justify your personal claims, it's never happened. So basically, unless you can support your fallacious claims, it is a win, period. yeah, yeah, I know... "no need to show evidence" |
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Cowboy...
"Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. " I KNOW its been altered. I have seen my old family bible (its words are different). King James altered it before that. The Churches in Europe alted it before that. the Church in Rome altered it from Constantine at Nicea. Historical FACTS. |
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Cowboy... "Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. " I KNOW its been altered. I have seen my old family bible (its words are different). King James altered it before that. The Churches in Europe alted it before that. the Church in Rome altered it from Constantine at Nicea. Historical FACTS. The "words" may have been altered eg., translations. But the meaning is nevertheless the same. Unless you can show an example of this changing. Maybe find your old family's bible on the internet so that we can physically see what you are claiming. |
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Cowboy... "Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. " I KNOW its been altered. I have seen my old family bible (its words are different). King James altered it before that. The Churches in Europe alted it before that. the Church in Rome altered it from Constantine at Nicea. Historical FACTS. The "words" may have been altered eg., translations. But the meaning is nevertheless the same. Unless you can show an example of this changing. Maybe find your old family's bible on the internet so that we can physically see what you are claiming. |
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If I do that I will be removing from you and not helping you grow.
Take out your bible. Look up the other versions on the internet and compare. If I do that for you you will not know the truth except by my eyes. Truth by your eyes is better for you. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) and that single word combination changes the entire meaning of something as simple as the 10 commandments. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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If I do that I will be removing from you and not helping you grow. Take out your bible. Look up the other versions on the internet and compare. If I do that for you you will not know the truth except by my eyes. Truth by your eyes is better for you. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) and that single word combination changes the entire meaning of something as simple as the 10 commandments. I already do that. I cross reference most to everything. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) And that is changing not one bit of the meaing. Means the same exact thing, nothing "changed" only translated. |
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2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2. Where's the contradiction? Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Jesus was born of a virgin, Marry did not know any man before she had Jesus. And don't know exactly what you're referancing in luke 2, need to be a little more specific then an entire chapter. |
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2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2. Where's the contradiction? Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Jesus was born of a virgin, Marry did not know any man before she had Jesus. And don't know exactly what you're referancing in luke 2, need to be a little more specific then an entire chapter. Those aren't my words, read the whole thing please |
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2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2. Where's the contradiction? Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Jesus was born of a virgin, Marry did not know any man before she had Jesus. And don't know exactly what you're referancing in luke 2, need to be a little more specific then an entire chapter. Those aren't my words, read the whole thing please I stopped once I seen it was a bunch of molarky. Stating there's a contradiction in there, yet there isn't. Peter_Pan, I wasn't responding directly to you, just the words. The only time I'm responding to the person specifically is when I do it as such, with the name before what I say. |
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If I do that I will be removing from you and not helping you grow. Take out your bible. Look up the other versions on the internet and compare. If I do that for you you will not know the truth except by my eyes. Truth by your eyes is better for you. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) and that single word combination changes the entire meaning of something as simple as the 10 commandments. I already do that. I cross reference most to everything. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) And that is changing not one bit of the meaing. Means the same exact thing, nothing "changed" only translated. sorry to call hogwash what it is. Mayest not - allows free will. shalt not - Absolute. No free will. which translation do you thing is closest to what you know of God? |
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2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2. Where's the contradiction? Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Jesus was born of a virgin, Marry did not know any man before she had Jesus. And don't know exactly what you're referancing in luke 2, need to be a little more specific then an entire chapter. Those aren't my words, read the whole thing please I stopped once I seen it was a bunch of molarky. Stating there's a contradiction in there, yet there isn't. Peter_Pan, I wasn't responding directly to you, just the words. The only time I'm responding to the person specifically is when I do it as such, with the name before what I say. In that thread I am addressing the claims of the author. Clear, succinct refutations. All based on scripture. |
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CowboyGH
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If I do that I will be removing from you and not helping you grow. Take out your bible. Look up the other versions on the internet and compare. If I do that for you you will not know the truth except by my eyes. Truth by your eyes is better for you. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) and that single word combination changes the entire meaning of something as simple as the 10 commandments. I already do that. I cross reference most to everything. the most commonly mistranslated word I have found is 'Mayest not'... has translation ranging from 'shalt not' to 'may not'... (depending upon version of bible) And that is changing not one bit of the meaing. Means the same exact thing, nothing "changed" only translated. sorry to call hogwash what it is. Mayest not - allows free will. shalt not - Absolute. No free will. which translation do you thing is closest to what you know of God? Mayest not - allows free will. shalt not - Absolute. No free will. Mayest not and shalt not is the same exact thing. There is no difference. Both are saying do not do whatever it is in mention. Telling someone not to do something is not taking away or altering there free will. For they still have the ability to do or not to do. If there was no such thing as "free will" we would all be just like robots. No emotions, no wants, no desires. We would just do what we are programmed to do. |
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chocolina
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ALL Christians Believe God is ONE ENTITY!!! (except for cults, who don't believe). Even all mainline denominations agree on this basic simple truth of the gospel..that God is ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!!! I couldn't care less what "all christians" believe. I don't believe purely what "Christians" believe. "Christian" is man made. I care about what the scriptures say, not what some religion says. And the scriptures say specifically separate God the father from God the son all the way back to Genesis, thus showing two separate ENTITIES. Are you sure you don't read some Hollywood's scenario of "Holy scriptures' by Steven Spielberg ? And to be correct in what I ask you may you tell us what kind or the name of scriptures you read ?? lol yeah I'm sure I don't read anything from Steven. I read the Holy Bible and it's scriptures. I usually go with King James, but I most always cross reference mongst the different interpretations with one another. I think that you start to confuse totally the religion . More and more Jesus starts to appear like some character of cartoon net and with bible interpretation for the beginners of courses "How to be a writer" ... Pls try to read the bible first ...or soon Jesus gonna send us here , in the forums, hell fire reading your free translations and hypothesis . Are you sure Dan Brawn didn't call you ..lol Many have said there were errors, for have shown the errors and succeeded. So when you just say there's errors without showing the error, your comments are mute and in vein, for they are just an accusation with nothing to back the statement in any way. The errors came from later translation of bible and after editing it in purpose to serve the needs of churches after Nicaea, 321-325 . Many of the scriptures have been changed or added new . That editing was unacceptable for east part of Christians /latter Orthodox Greek church/ who appealed for keeping the original translation /version of bible , and also unacceptable for the west Christians /latter Catholics / insisted for more powerful and strong religious scriptures in it. Latter many errors come out of that 'new edition' of the bible and in many places there are contradictions in facts , even in gospels describe the same event CowboyGH , no one can talks, interprets and analyzes in the right way something which he didn't read or read here-there and most of the time reads someone's comments . To discuss something we need knowledge at least abt the subject we discuss on ... Other way that is bla bla or to seek for attention. Or .... call Dan Brown telling him your version .. Well first off, what you are claiming I said in this post, I did not say. CowboyGH if you read again your 'errors' comment above mine you gonna understand what and why I wrote that .. Secondly how do you know it was altered? Changed? Added to? Or anything else? Can you and have you read the original hebrew version of the scriptures? I hope you didn't insist/imagine that ppl have to attend to the historical events and then to talk abt it ... CowboyGH , how ppl know abt it: university - education ; reading / watching documentary stuff; using computers to get more information ; profession ; library /home , public , institutions etc./ and many others resources ... CowboyGH said : Because from my research, it is very close to the original. hahhaaha you are a funny guy ... omg nooooooooo comment You claimed I said that following quote, which I did not say. I haven't believe in my eyes too but - fact: page29,2nd post from down 
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Didn't insist on anything. Just how do YOU know it's been altered? What evidence do you have to support such a claim. An no, because some history channel said so doesn't work. CowboyGH ,in my case - education and much reading
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