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There is no physical way that much water was on earth at any point in history at all what so ever, no less the tiny time spans humanity has existed on earth. Its a fantasy. What you describe does indicates local floods which happen often. This cherry picking of evidence and the ignoring of what it would really mean for this to be true is what makes religious apologists so inept. There is enough water on this world to flood it over, in the ice caps. "local floods" are just nature, that isn't specifically God flooding different regions of the world through different times, we're talking about the great flood. When all the world was covered in water, not floods that happen here or there. I have to agree with Cowboy on this one...if those that lean towards science believe that during the "Ice Age" that the world was covered with ice .....then why couldn't it been covered by water ...isn't ice... water? a flood is just something that naturally occurs in nature, the bible is only stating that it occured on a world wide scale which according to the laws of physics is possible a balloon can float in the Ocean and not be underwater but if you deflate the balloon then it will be covered with water...the same with land, large amounts of water could increase volcanic activity and cause the tectonic plates to all shift and bring the entire land mass that was once above water below water.....and volcanic activity can replace the land above water...that's basically how The Hawaiian Islands were formed this is why an argument against a world wide flood or any event that could occur naturally is actually an argument against the laws of physics ....this is when the bible and science enters into a stalemate but then again this is why there are no sure things as miracles...because a miracle would be an event that goes against the laws of physics or can not be explained using the laws of physics.. sometimes you will even find priests that will try to give a scietific explanation as to how the great flood occured due to the laws of physics...it makes you wonder why they would do this...because it's actually an argument against miracles and God  it's true what you typed but we both know the time it takes for all this to happen Noah and the other 7,plus all the animals would have been skeletal remains still in the ark.
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There is no physical way that much water was on earth at any point in history at all what so ever, no less the tiny time spans humanity has existed on earth. Its a fantasy. What you describe does indicates local floods which happen often. This cherry picking of evidence and the ignoring of what it would really mean for this to be true is what makes religious apologists so inept. There is enough water on this world to flood it over, in the ice caps. "local floods" are just nature, that isn't specifically God flooding different regions of the world through different times, we're talking about the great flood. When all the world was covered in water, not floods that happen here or there. I have to agree with Cowboy on this one...if those that lean towards science believe that during the "Ice Age" that the world was covered with ice .....then why couldn't it been covered by water ...isn't ice... water? a flood is just something that naturally occurs in nature, the bible is only stating that it occured on a world wide scale which according to the laws of physics is possible a balloon can float in the Ocean and not be underwater but if you deflate the balloon then it will be covered with water...the same with land, large amounts of water could increase volcanic activity and cause the tectonic plates to all shift and bring the entire land mass that was once above water below water.....and volcanic activity can replace the land above water...that's basically how The Hawaiian Islands were formed this is why an argument against a world wide flood or any event that could occur naturally is actually an argument against the laws of physics ....this is when the bible and science enters into a stalemate but then again this is why there are no sure things as miracles...because a miracle would be an event that goes against the laws of physics or can not be explained using the laws of physics.. sometimes you will even find priests that will try to give a scietific explanation as to how the great flood occured due to the laws of physics...it makes you wonder why they would do this...because it's actually an argument against miracles and God it's true what you typed but we both know the time it takes for all this to happen Noah and the other 7,plus all the animals would have been skeletal remains still in the ark. well you see it took Noah about 600 years to build the Ark so it was pretty big...so not only did Noah load his family and two of every animals species abroad it, also with the help of some elephants and Dinosaurs he also loaded 2 of every continents onto the Ark..so when Noah spotted the Dove he released those continents back into the water ...wait ..er...hold on...even I don't believe this one myself ok ..I've got one... the weight of all the rain water created an underground fissure which sucked down and provided a watery tomb for all the heathenous people that drown in the flood along with all the heathenous dinosaurs which would explain why they are extinct while at the same time dropping the water levels enough so that the land masses could re-un-emerge |
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Edited by
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No no no Funches,see God created aquaman and sent him to the deepest part of the ocean and also God gave aquaman the ability to withstand billions of psi so the water pressure wouldn't kill him,so anyways aquaman went and pulled this decent size plug(kind of like the tub plug we use today but much bigger)so it created this big whirlpool and everything went down except for the ark,it got stuck on a mountain.Then when God started to see his land he created again he yelled for aquaman to plug it back.
Oh yeah what happened to aquaman,well God reincarnated him into Patrick Duffy |
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You do know that the story of Noah and the Ark is basically an almost word for word retelling of an older Babylonian myth, most probably picked up during the Jewish captivity in Babylon.
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No no no Funches,see God created aquaman and sent him to the deepest part of the ocean and also God gave aquaman the ability to withstand billions of psi so the water pressure wouldn't kill him,so anyways aquaman went and pulled this decent size plug(kind of like the tub plug we use today but much bigger)so it created this big whirlpool and everything went down except for the ark,it got stuck on a mountain.Then when God started to see his land he created again he yelled for aquaman to plug it back. Oh yeah what happened to aquaman,well God reincarnated him into Patrick Duffy replace Aquaman with Baal and replace that bath tub plug with a big old rock...heck that would explain what happen to all the water and Patrick Duffy |
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No no no Funches,see God created aquaman and sent him to the deepest part of the ocean and also God gave aquaman the ability to withstand billions of psi so the water pressure wouldn't kill him,so anyways aquaman went and pulled this decent size plug(kind of like the tub plug we use today but much bigger)so it created this big whirlpool and everything went down except for the ark,it got stuck on a mountain.Then when God started to see his land he created again he yelled for aquaman to plug it back. Oh yeah what happened to aquaman,well God reincarnated him into Patrick Duffy replace Aquaman with Baal and replace that bath tub plug with a big old rock...heck that would explain what happen to all the water and Patrick Duffy |
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Scientifically.
There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. |
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Scientifically. There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood. Those "holes" you mention are called the "fountains of the deep" in the Bible if I'm not mistaken... That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood. |
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Scientifically. There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood. Those "holes" you mention are called the "fountains of the deep" in the Bible if I'm not mistaken... That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood. (Genesis 7:19-20 KJV) Pete come on man,15 cubits is around 23 feet,but this water covered mountains.Wow most mountains are larger than 23feet high. |
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth.
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... |
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Scientifically. There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood. Those "holes" you mention are called the "fountains of the deep" in the Bible if I'm not mistaken... That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood. 1. I didn't say I believed in the Great Flood, in fact, I specified the exact opposite. 2. All I did say was, that it WAS in fact possible. 3. Outside of Hebrew and English translations; a massive meteor DID in fact crash just outside of Asia/Europe region, and caused a massive 'flood' if you will or 'tidal wave' to hit that section of the continent. 4. Also explains why early 'adventurers' discovered 'seashells' high up on the mountains. They denoted this as 'proof' the Flood happened. 5. Repeating: Never said I believe the Flood happened, only said it was in fact, possible. Such did not require even further fictitious characters like, Aquaman or massive 'plugs'. |
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Earth is also consider to be the ground you walk on. From a bible of lets say 'riddles' it may be harder to discern what is meant when the term 'Earth' is used. A. The entire planet. B. The portion of ground you walk on. (Soil, mud, rock, etc.) Furthermore, they believed the continent they lived on WAS the entire 'Earth'. |
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... *gouges his own eye out* Can't believe I'm agreeing with you.. :O |
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... |
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Scientifically. There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood. Those "holes" you mention are called the "fountains of the deep" in the Bible if I'm not mistaken... That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood. 1. I didn't say I believed in the Great Flood, in fact, I specified the exact opposite. 2. All I did say was, that it WAS in fact possible. 3. Outside of Hebrew and English translations; a massive meteor DID in fact crash just outside of Asia/Europe region, and caused a massive 'flood' if you will or 'tidal wave' to hit that section of the continent. 4. Also explains why early 'adventurers' discovered 'seashells' high up on the mountains. They denoted this as 'proof' the Flood happened. 5. Repeating: Never said I believe the Flood happened, only said it was in fact, possible. Such did not require even further fictitious characters like, Aquaman or massive 'plugs'. 1. This is what I said: "Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood." 2. See above... 3. Irrelevant... 4. You forgot the posibility and most likely the probability that all continents were 1 large land-mass and not until tectonic movement and volcanic eruptions did the landscape contain the said "mountains"... 5. See above... |
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... Then don't try to debate the Hebrew version, simple as that... |
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... what the hell is stold...lol well atleast you're not a spelling nazi.  Then don't try to debate the Hebrew version, simple as that... |
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Thu 02/23/12 05:40 PM
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Scientifically. There are huge 'holes' at the bottom of the ocean that, if they exploded, or whatever the proper terminology is, they could by all standards 'flood' the entire planet. At the same time, if you minus the pollution but still key in the ideal of the entire north and sole arctic region 'melting', it would cause the ocean level to rise and, again, be enough to flood the Earth. Also to support such a (I agree preposterous idea), the actual continent land masses have been altered several times throughout history and, in some ancient cultures now all but extinct or no longer practiced; they literally 'walked' from Asia to Canada without boats; they swam a short distance equal to that of swimming across a small lake. For all we know, centuries ago, Hawaii could have been a larger continent in itself, for example, instead of a bunch of islands. None of this requires such retarded ideas as Aquaman, giant plugs, or Baal and uses science over an immature mind frame. Outside of that. Earthquakes, change land structures. Tsunamis, can change land structures. ..and, of course, a massive meteor that crashed into the ocean, could easily and certainly cause such changes, and/or the appearance of said Great Flood. Those that drown? Um, you do realize there are hundreds, or at the time were, of species that were predatory, right? Sharks, for example, are just one. Since we can't dive to the deepest depths of the ocean, for all we know, there could still be prehistoric 'monsters' or 'animals' or even 'dinosaurs' lingering down there. Like, say, for example.. larger versions, or something similar to: ..that guy would have fun eating the bodies the sharks failed to do so. Dinosaurs, at least most of the land varieties were from an earlier period of time and, again, a day to us would not necessarily be a day to God. Do I think the story is ludicrous? Yeah, I do. ..am I going to be an immature nut sack about it? Nope, not my thing. ..but to act like it was 'impossible' is to lack intelligence and common knowledge. ..just saying. Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood. Those "holes" you mention are called the "fountains of the deep" in the Bible if I'm not mistaken... That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood. 1. I didn't say I believed in the Great Flood, in fact, I specified the exact opposite. 2. All I did say was, that it WAS in fact possible. 3. Outside of Hebrew and English translations; a massive meteor DID in fact crash just outside of Asia/Europe region, and caused a massive 'flood' if you will or 'tidal wave' to hit that section of the continent. 4. Also explains why early 'adventurers' discovered 'seashells' high up on the mountains. They denoted this as 'proof' the Flood happened. 5. Repeating: Never said I believe the Flood happened, only said it was in fact, possible. Such did not require even further fictitious characters like, Aquaman or massive 'plugs'. 1. This is what I said: "Wow, impressive that a "non-believer" actually admits the "possibility" of a great flood." 2. See above... 3. Irrelevant... 4. You forgot the posibility and most likely the probability that all continents were 1 large land-mass and not until tectonic movement and volcanic eruptions did the landscape contain the said "mountains"... 5. See above... 1. Mis-read that one, my bad there. 2. Not arguing with you? 3. It is when that one wasn't aimed at you. 4. I didn't think it was necessary to whip out TONS of evidence against someone like Funches, but, hey, thanks for mentioning that too. 5. See below.  
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Also i could be mistaken by Abrahamic religion terms,but our whole planet is called Earth. Which is why you should research the HEBREW words... It matters not which version is 'accepted'. Fact is that the original storyteller could not possibly have known but a small part of the 'whole Earth'... Given the technology of the time. So any account would only pertain to that which the person could observe. Which is why you also have accounts of flooding in the Americas... but from a different Tribe than Noah/Gilgamech and also survived. It but covered perhaps 2/3rds of the planet. Since the People of Austriala also have history to that time. Many more than Noah survived. |
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