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Topic: Cosmological Argument
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Wed 01/25/12 05:18 AM

I agree with the first part, but not the second. No need to get into the psychology of a being that no evidence exists to support the existence of . . .


which is why to attribute "first cause" to something that there is no evidence to support the existence of would fall into the realm of paranoid delusion




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Wed 01/25/12 05:27 AM

The argument really hinges on the original premise. That all things that begin to exist have a cause.

Causation under condition such as the big bang, or the realm of quantum mechanics is anything but intuitive, and trying to claim that all things must fall under our common sense notions of causation, or even any causation is hand waving.

Which is why the argument is not a good one.


The Big Bang Theory and Quantum Mechanics works under the jurisdiction of logic not magic....everthing that takes place within these concepts has a logical reason why each and every factor within it takes place ....

but then to say that the "cause" as to which they were supposedly created was done for any other reason but logic....is in itself illogical

it's simply impossible for anything to take place without a logical reason/need


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Wed 01/25/12 05:37 AM



I am lonely. Yet I do not want someone around me.


if this was True of God then he would have no "need" to create the Universe


Exactly! he wanted to.


want is need

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Wed 01/25/12 06:17 AM




I am lonely. Yet I do not want someone around me.


if this was True of God then he would have no "need" to create the Universe


Exactly! he wanted to.


want is need


Wow..
No, it's really not.

I don't want to eat.
But I need to eat.

I want to sleep.
But I don't need to sleep.

One minute you're arguing with me that I'm not taking a word by its definition, the next you are making two words mean the same exact thing.

You can easily want something that you don't need .
You don't need a TV in every room of your house but you want them in every room.

Want: Have the desire to possess or do something (Verb)
Want:: A lack or deficiency of something (Noun)

Need: Require something because it is essential (Verb)
Need: Circumstances in which something is necessary (Noun)

They clearly do not mean the same thing.

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Wed 01/25/12 06:19 AM
..and I notice you keep skipping stuff that you do not have an answer for..

..and I'm sure Bushido could help me out with a word for it, cause he's said Spider does it to him all the time.

Not sure what it is, but you are definitely doing it.

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Wed 01/25/12 06:19 AM

Kick my cat off the bed some of the time.


anger issues


Run around my block some of the time.


a need to exercise "occasionally"


Randomly blurt things out in public.


Tourettes Syndrome ...


Throw quarters at a dixie cup.


(OCD)


Watch tv upside down.


Autism Spectrum Disorder


Do a Hawaii Five-0 slide across my mom's car when she parks i n the driveway.


unresolved anger issues with your Mother


Eat cereal with a fork over a spoon.


imagine if you only used your hands


Collect bottle caps and then throw them away after never having used them for anything.


(OCD) Obsessive Complusion Disorder


Eat the frosting out of all the Oreo's then eat the chocolate cookie part.


lacks controls


Man..
I could go on for hours..


I may have to charge you for the next session

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Wed 01/25/12 06:23 AM


Kick my cat off the bed some of the time.


anger issues



Run around my block some of the time.


a need to exercise "occasionally"


Randomly blurt things out in public.


Tourettes Syndrome ...


Throw quarters at a dixie cup.


(OCD)


Watch tv upside down.


Autism Spectrum Disorder


Do a Hawaii Five-0 slide across my mom's car when she parks i n the driveway.


unresolved anger issues with your Mother


Eat cereal with a fork over a spoon.


imagine if you only used your hands


Collect bottle caps and then throw them away after never having used them for anything.


(OCD) Obsessive Complusion Disorder


Eat the frosting out of all the Oreo's then eat the chocolate cookie part.


lacks controls


Man..
I could go on for hours..


I may have to charge you for the next session


That's your logic? Play a psychologist?

Well, you are wrong. lmao.
OR

...I'm really good at only using my mental disorders 20% of the time.

Your logic is actually, in itself, illogical.

You're trying to place a disorder with my actions, when in fact, they are totally just random.

To consider it anger to kick my cat off the bed, or a need to just run around the block as if I don't do 5000 other things for exercise, it's speculation; not logic.

OCD? Me? Please.

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Wed 01/25/12 06:24 AM
..furthermore..

Eating the frosting out first from an Oreo..
..how is that a lack of control exactly?

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Wed 01/25/12 06:26 AM





I am lonely. Yet I do not want someone around me.


if this was True of God then he would have no "need" to create the Universe


Exactly! he wanted to.


want is need


Wow..
No, it's really not.

I don't want to eat.
But I need to eat.

I want to sleep.
But I don't need to sleep.

One minute you're arguing with me that I'm not taking a word by its definition, the next you are making two words mean the same exact thing.

You can easily want something that you don't need .
You don't need a TV in every room of your house but you want them in every room.

Want: Have the desire to possess or do something (Verb)
Want:: A lack or deficiency of something (Noun)

Need: Require something because it is essential (Verb)
Need: Circumstances in which something is necessary (Noun)

They clearly do not mean the same thing.


the fact that you want to sleep is your body telling you that you need to sleep ....this is why want-desire-motivation are a result of need ....

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Wed 01/25/12 06:28 AM

..and I notice you keep skipping stuff that you do not have an answer for..

..and I'm sure Bushido could help me out with a word for it, cause he's said Spider does it to him all the time.

Not sure what it is, but you are definitely doing it.


If I skip a post or a part of the post, it's only because I feel that the point has been driven into the ground and I've said everything that needs to be said on the subject. Sometimes I'll skip something that is so stupid that I don't feel it deserves a response. I admit when I'm wrong.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/25/12 06:28 AM






I am lonely. Yet I do not want someone around me.


if this was True of God then he would have no "need" to create the Universe


Exactly! he wanted to.


want is need


Wow..
No, it's really not.

I don't want to eat.
But I need to eat.

I want to sleep.
But I don't need to sleep.

One minute you're arguing with me that I'm not taking a word by its definition, the next you are making two words mean the same exact thing.

You can easily want something that you don't need .
You don't need a TV in every room of your house but you want them in every room.

Want: Have the desire to possess or do something (Verb)
Want:: A lack or deficiency of something (Noun)

Need: Require something because it is essential (Verb)
Need: Circumstances in which something is necessary (Noun)

They clearly do not mean the same thing.


the fact that you want to sleep is your body telling you that you need to sleep ....this is why want-desire-motivation are a result of need ....


For the sake of going in circles, fine. I'll give that to you.

Doesn't explain the rest.

Need - cannot live without
Want - can live without

Major difference.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/25/12 06:29 AM


..and I notice you keep skipping stuff that you do not have an answer for..

..and I'm sure Bushido could help me out with a word for it, cause he's said Spider does it to him all the time.

Not sure what it is, but you are definitely doing it.


If I skip a post or a part of the post, it's only because I feel that the point has been driven into the ground and I've said everything that needs to be said on the subject. Sometimes I'll skip something that is so stupid that I don't feel it deserves a response. I admit when I'm wrong.


lol where'd you come from?

..second, I wasn't saying you were or not, since that ain't my place because it wasn't my discussion; I just know he had used a word for it. Just can't remember what discussion you two were involved in.

That's all.

No beef, Spidey.

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Wed 01/25/12 06:32 AM



Kick my cat off the bed some of the time.


anger issues



Run around my block some of the time.


a need to exercise "occasionally"


Randomly blurt things out in public.


Tourettes Syndrome ...


Throw quarters at a dixie cup.


(OCD)


Watch tv upside down.


Autism Spectrum Disorder


Do a Hawaii Five-0 slide across my mom's car when she parks i n the driveway.


unresolved anger issues with your Mother


Eat cereal with a fork over a spoon.


imagine if you only used your hands


Collect bottle caps and then throw them away after never having used them for anything.


(OCD) Obsessive Complusion Disorder


Eat the frosting out of all the Oreo's then eat the chocolate cookie part.


lacks controls


Man..
I could go on for hours..


I may have to charge you for the next session


That's your logic? Play a psychologist?

Well, you are wrong. lmao.
OR

...I'm really good at only using my mental disorders 20% of the time.

Your logic is actually, in itself, illogical.

You're trying to place a disorder with my actions, when in fact, they are totally just random.

To consider it anger to kick my cat off the bed, or a need to just run around the block as if I don't do 5000 other things for exercise, it's speculation; not logic.

OCD? Me? Please.


to claim that you kick a cat for no logical reason clearly points to anger

to claim that you will intentionly do stunts which can damage your mother's car....clearly you are angry at your mother and have no respect for her items

to just burnt out in public clearly points to tourettes syndrome

to watch television upside down is clearly a form of Autism

now explain why I'm wrong

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Wed 01/25/12 06:38 AM




Kick my cat off the bed some of the time.


anger issues



Run around my block some of the time.


a need to exercise "occasionally"


Randomly blurt things out in public.


Tourettes Syndrome ...


Throw quarters at a dixie cup.


(OCD)


Watch tv upside down.


Autism Spectrum Disorder


Do a Hawaii Five-0 slide across my mom's car when she parks i n the driveway.


unresolved anger issues with your Mother


Eat cereal with a fork over a spoon.


imagine if you only used your hands


Collect bottle caps and then throw them away after never having used them for anything.


(OCD) Obsessive Complusion Disorder


Eat the frosting out of all the Oreo's then eat the chocolate cookie part.


lacks controls


Man..
I could go on for hours..


I may have to charge you for the next session


That's your logic? Play a psychologist?

Well, you are wrong. lmao.
OR

...I'm really good at only using my mental disorders 20% of the time.

Your logic is actually, in itself, illogical.

You're trying to place a disorder with my actions, when in fact, they are totally just random.

To consider it anger to kick my cat off the bed, or a need to just run around the block as if I don't do 5000 other things for exercise, it's speculation; not logic.

OCD? Me? Please.


to claim that you kick a cat for no logical reason clearly points to anger

to claim that you will intentionly do stunts which can damage your mother's car....clearly you are angry at your mother and have no respect for her items

to just burnt out in public clearly points to tourettes syndrome

to watch television upside down is clearly a form of Autism

now explain why I'm wrong


I love my mom and my cat. No hidden aggression.
She laughs when I do it.

Oh, that's right.. a lonely person isn't permitted, in your word, allowed logically to not 'want' company, I 'need' it.. so therefore; how does kicking the cat away even fit into your supposed logic?

You telling me I have tourettes and somehow, miraculously I can control it almost all the time? I must be one of the best...

Autism? Seriously dude? How would we be having this conversation?

You are picking full time mental disorders and proclaiming I have the ability to lose control of them part time.

Part time OCD.
Part time Autistic.
Part time Aggression.

Tell me how you're right.

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Wed 01/25/12 06:39 AM







I am lonely. Yet I do not want someone around me.


if this was True of God then he would have no "need" to create the Universe


Exactly! he wanted to.


want is need


Wow..
No, it's really not.

I don't want to eat.
But I need to eat.

I want to sleep.
But I don't need to sleep.

One minute you're arguing with me that I'm not taking a word by its definition, the next you are making two words mean the same exact thing.

You can easily want something that you don't need .
You don't need a TV in every room of your house but you want them in every room.

Want: Have the desire to possess or do something (Verb)
Want:: A lack or deficiency of something (Noun)

Need: Require something because it is essential (Verb)
Need: Circumstances in which something is necessary (Noun)

They clearly do not mean the same thing.


the fact that you want to sleep is your body telling you that you need to sleep ....this is why want-desire-motivation are a result of need ....


For the sake of going in circles, fine. I'll give that to you.

Doesn't explain the rest.

Need - cannot live without
Want - can live without

Major difference.


the fact that you want and/or desire means that in some shape form or fashion..you have a "need" for it

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Wed 01/25/12 06:47 AM




Need - cannot live without
Want - can live without

Major difference.


the fact that you want and/or desire means that in some shape form or fashion..you have a "need" for it


I heard of a planet called 'No'.
The select a King every 1,000 years or so.
They revere him as the 'King of Wrong'.

They told me to say..

"Here's your crown, my liege."

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Wed 01/25/12 06:53 AM

I love my mom and my cat. No hidden aggression.
She laughs when I do it.


you show love to your mom by doing things that can cause damage to her property or to you....perhaps she laughs to keep from crying....remember that smokey robinson record..."the tears of a clown" ....will cry when no one else is around



Oh, that's right.. a lonely person isn't permitted, in your word, allowed logically to not 'want' company, I 'need' it..


to claim to be lonely and then claim not to need company...is delusional


so therefore; how does kicking the cat away even fit into your supposed logic?


the fact that you don't see this as abuse is the scary part


You telling me I have tourettes and somehow, miraculously I can control it almost all the time? I must be one of the best...


Tourettes range from the mild to the extreme ...in some cases the person will burnt out only curse words in public


Autism? Seriously dude? How would we be having this conversation?


there is a logical reason for watching television upside down ...Autism ...look it up



You are picking full time mental disorders and proclaiming I have the ability to lose control of them part time.

Part time OCD.
Part time Autistic.
Part time Aggression.

Tell me how you're right.


the fact that you watch television upside down and then claim you do so without a logical reason should be enough proof that you should at least get this checked out

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Wed 01/25/12 06:57 AM





Need - cannot live without
Want - can live without

Major difference.


the fact that you want and/or desire means that in some shape form or fashion..you have a "need" for it


I heard of a planet called 'No'.
The select a King every 1,000 years or so.
They revere him as the 'King of Wrong'.

They told me to say..

"Here's your crown, my liege."


In days of Olde
When men were bold
and toilets were not invented

you left your load
upon the road
and walked away contented

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Wed 01/25/12 07:03 AM


I love my mom and my cat. No hidden aggression.
She laughs when I do it.


you show love to your mom by doing things that can cause damage to her property or to you....perhaps she laughs to keep from crying....remember that smokey robinson record..."the tears of a clown" ....will cry when no one else is around



Oh, that's right.. a lonely person isn't permitted, in your word, allowed logically to not 'want' company, I 'need' it..


to claim to be lonely and then claim not to need company...is delusional


so therefore; how does kicking the cat away even fit into your supposed logic?


the fact that you don't see this as abuse is the scary part


You telling me I have tourettes and somehow, miraculously I can control it almost all the time? I must be one of the best...


Tourettes range from the mild to the extreme ...in some cases the person will burnt out only curse words in public


Autism? Seriously dude? How would we be having this conversation?


there is a logical reason for watching television upside down ...Autism ...look it up



You are picking full time mental disorders and proclaiming I have the ability to lose control of them part time.

Part time OCD.
Part time Autistic.
Part time Aggression.

Tell me how you're right.


the fact that you watch television upside down and then claim you do so without a logical reason should be enough proof that you should at least get this checked out


No, see, last time I'm going to say it.

You my friend are grasping desperately at straws.
So I'll make it simple for you.

I want the cat of my bed.
Abuse? Please. I didn't say I punted him across the front lawn.

Damage to the car? Exactly how much do you think I weigh?
Trust me, if my mom was upset.. she's the type to tell you.

You know what's actually delusional? Assuming that everything has to have logic wrapped in it. Know what else? Constantly proclaiming that a want and a need are the same exact thing. I'll say it again, 'Happiness in my loneliness'.

Tourettes you cannot control what you say. I do. HUGE difference. My blurts, or 'burnts' as you call them (which isn't a word btw) can even be me reciting an entire song. Think someone with tourettes can do that too?

I know what Autism is. I also know that watching TV upside gives you a head rush. I also know it can release the pressure of pain I get in my knee by changing the flowing of my own blood by transferring it the opposite direction. I also know that people in movie look hilarious upside down when they are serious. I also know it makes the news funnier and actually bearable to watch.

NOT to mention.

After a long history of meeting psychologists and therapists, really think none of them would've noticed any of these 'so-called' disorders I have? Especially when I'm laying upside down to watch TV in the lobby in front of them?

So, one more response, before I totally consider you are just whipping out answers out your culo just for the simple sake of arguing.

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Wed 01/25/12 07:08 AM

For the sake of going in circles, fine. I'll give that to you.

Doesn't explain the rest.

Need - cannot live without
Want - can live without

Major difference.


what's the major differences in wanting sex and needing sex

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