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Topic: Cosmological Argument
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Sat 01/28/12 12:34 PM

and according to the belief when people didn't change their ways God flooded the entire planet and drown them......it was nothing personal..he didn't have a need to drown them..."he just wanted to" ...which is clearly the actions of a sociopath

Now, you're being ridiculous.
He wanted to start fresh; if you throw out your toys and buy new ones; I guess that makes us all sociopaths.
You keep looking at this being known as God as if he was human.


so is that excuse you used when they asked you why you stop going to school


Oh, yes, because the school 'created' me. Right.


perhaps that would be a logical reason why God should have drugged us to a shrink instead of resorting to mass drownings


..a logical reason on a non-occurrence?
Even though, maybe, just maybe, he still wanted us to be the top of the chain; and figured maybe, just maybe, this would get us to change our ways..


what's illogical is you trying to blame everyone

but anyway... blame will always be given to those or to the one that created the circumstances ..it's called "taking responsibility"

and this is why if God created the Universe without a need or a logical reason...then "first cause" would be that he did so out of a "sociopathic want"


..you do realize you just proved my point right?

God created us without logic, stole the apple, gave ourselves that.
That set in motion the chain of events leading us to where we are.

It just sounds like you really hate life, and thus have your illogical, or maybe logical, sense to blame the creator, whether God or otherwise for our existence.

..you really should stop shooting out beebee's in the dark.

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Sat 01/28/12 02:34 PM

Now, you're being ridiculous.
He wanted to start fresh; if you throw out your toys and buy new ones; I guess that makes us all sociopaths.


those that consider people as being toys that they can just throw away without a logical reason or need, but just because "they wanted to"...yes that would make them a sociopath


You keep looking at this being known as God as if he was human.


killing millions of people whether you are a human or E.T. the Extra-terrestrial just because "you wanted to"... would make you a sociopath

those that do things without a logical reason or a need to do them and lack empathy has sociopathic tendercies .... those that kill or do harm under these same circumstances are sociopaths


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Sat 01/28/12 02:39 PM


Now, you're being ridiculous.
He wanted to start fresh; if you throw out your toys and buy new ones; I guess that makes us all sociopaths.


those that consider people as being toys that they can just throw away without a logical reason or need, but just because "they wanted to"...yes that would make them a sociopath


You keep looking at this being known as God as if he was human.


killing millions of people whether you are a human or E.T. the Extra-terrestrial just because "you wanted to"... would make you a sociopath

those that do things without a logical reason or a need to do them and lack empathy has sociopathic tendercies .... those that kill or do harm under these same circumstances are sociopaths




..and from this sad way of thinking..

You are downplaying the actual and literal term of, 'God'.

You cannot, as it seems, look at it as a human definition.
However, in his eyes, we are nothing but drawings on a chalk board.

Don't like the dinosaurs? Meh, let's start over.

You try to rationalize how 'God' is associated to us, in human terms, however, that is illogical.

Again, you keep trying to put a need where there is want.

We hold no empathy for all that we waste everyday.
You don't break down and cry every time you step on an ant.
And even if you did do these, you'd classify them with another one of your disorders; yet.. you can't place them on God.

You are certainly trying, but you can't.

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Sat 01/28/12 02:58 PM
Edited by funches on Sat 01/28/12 02:58 PM

You cannot, as it seems, look at it as a human definition.


sorry but that is exactly what the Cosmological Argument expect us to do ....especially since we are Humans

However, in his eyes, we are nothing but drawings on a chalk board.


that is exactly why he is a sociopath

someone that just do things because "they want to" without empathy is a sociopath...I'm not sure why you don't understand this ...or perhaps you don't want to admit to it


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Sat 01/28/12 03:02 PM


You cannot, as it seems, look at it as a human definition.


sorry but that is exactly what the Cosmological Argument expect us to do ....especially since we are Humans

However, in his eyes, we are nothing but drawings on a chalk board.


that is exactly why he is a sociopath

someone that just do things because "they want to" without empathy is a sociopath...I'm not sure why you don't understand this ...or perhaps you don't want to admit to it




By your own definition. He cannot have empathy.
Empathy, sympathy, love --they are all weaknesses.

So, it has nothing to do with admitting it.
It's by your own definition.

"God cannot have weakness or vulnerability."

Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.

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Sat 01/28/12 03:09 PM

Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.


Gods kills millions of his toys without conscious ..and he kills with no need or logical reason but only because he wants to....that's a sociopath


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Sat 01/28/12 03:11 PM
Edited by funches on Sat 01/28/12 03:33 PM

By your own definition. He cannot have empathy.
Empathy, sympathy, love --they are all weaknesses.


yes sociopaths generally lack those qualities, and since those qualities would be weaknesses if God had them......that is exactly why God is a sociopath

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Sat 01/28/12 03:44 PM


Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.


Gods kills millions of his toys without conscious ..and he kills with no need or logical reason but only because he wants to....that's a sociopath




That's not a sociopath.. you are defining the term, 'God'.

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Sat 01/28/12 03:45 PM


By your own definition. He cannot have empathy.
Empathy, sympathy, love --they are all weaknesses.


yes sociopaths generally lack those qualities, and since those qualities would be weaknesses if God had them......that is exactly why God is a sociopath


God is God.

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Sat 01/28/12 04:09 PM



Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.


Gods kills millions of his toys without conscious ..and he kills with no need or logical reason but only because he wants to....that's a sociopath




That's not a sociopath.. you are defining the term, 'God'.


I'm not defining the term God...I'm defining the term sociopath ...which apply to anyone or any entity that intentionly kills or harm others without a conscious and/or empathy


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Sat 01/28/12 04:15 PM



By your own definition. He cannot have empathy.
Empathy, sympathy, love --they are all weaknesses.


yes sociopaths generally lack those qualities, and since those qualities would be weaknesses if God had them......that is exactly why God is a sociopath


God is God.


unless you are ready to argue that God does have weaknesses such as empathy, sympathy and love....then God is a sociopath

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Sat 01/28/12 04:15 PM




Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.


Gods kills millions of his toys without conscious ..and he kills with no need or logical reason but only because he wants to....that's a sociopath




That's not a sociopath.. you are defining the term, 'God'.


I'm not defining the term God...I'm defining the term sociopath ...which apply to anyone or any entity that intentionly kills or harm others without a conscious and/or empathy




..but to make that comparison you would need several Gods to consider him 'unlike' the rest, otherwise you are simply defining him in 'human' terms. He is above us; therefore, it's irrational and illogical to do so.

If God A shows empathy, and God B does not; then God A could be deemed a sociopath.

However, there is no God to compare him to.

Not to mention, he has no 'weaknesses' as you've made it apparent he cannot. Therefore, the knowledge of 'empathy' to him would have an actual existence.

He destroys a mountain, he destroys a planet; it's the same in his eyes as destroying us. I could build a stack of legos and then tear it down because I created it and want to rebuild it; how doe that classify that person as a sociopath?

That's all he's doing.

You are placing a label on something that cannot be defined as such.

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Sat 01/28/12 04:28 PM





Therefore, God cannot be a sociopath, because God would not have a conscience at all; just not from certain aspects.


Gods kills millions of his toys without conscious ..and he kills with no need or logical reason but only because he wants to....that's a sociopath




That's not a sociopath.. you are defining the term, 'God'.


I'm not defining the term God...I'm defining the term sociopath ...which apply to anyone or any entity that intentionly kills or harm others without a conscious and/or empathy




..but to make that comparison you would need several Gods to consider him 'unlike' the rest, otherwise you are simply defining him in 'human' terms. He is above us; therefore, it's irrational and illogical to do so.

If God A shows empathy, and God B does not; then God A could be deemed a sociopath.

However, there is no God to compare him to.

Not to mention, he has no 'weaknesses' as you've made it apparent he cannot. Therefore, the knowledge of 'empathy' to him would have an actual existence.

He destroys a mountain, he destroys a planet; it's the same in his eyes as destroying us. I could build a stack of legos and then tear it down because I created it and want to rebuild it; how doe that classify that person as a sociopath?

That's all he's doing.

You are placing a label on something that cannot be defined as such.


again if God or any entity destroys, kills or harm others without conscious or empathy it's a sociopath

it's the same as the example you gave in which you shown a lack of empathy when you kicked the cat off the bed or did things that would get your Mother place in jail ...to you these things were no big deal and you did them "because you wanted to"

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Sat 01/28/12 04:43 PM


again if God or any entity destroys, kills or harm others without conscious or empathy it's a sociopath

it's the same as the example you gave in which you shown a lack of empathy when you kicked the cat off the bed or did things that would get your Mother place in jail ...to you these things were no big deal and you did them "because you wanted to"


Not if it is not considered 'killing'.

We, as humans, rarely do anything out of a 'need'.
It's a want.

Back to the first sentence.

But according to you, at the same time, a God can never possess a conscience, thus, he can't be deemed to be 'without one' if he never, or no God has ever, held one.

There may be a term for it, but it wouldn't be a sociopath.
Because, again, you are classifying him to human standards.
You can't classify him as a human.
Because he lacks ALL emotions.
Because also in your mind, any emotion would be a sign of weakness.

It still crack me up how you take some words to the very substance of their meanings while ignoring others.

I'm sure others have a term for it, but I, sadly, do not.

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Sat 01/28/12 04:54 PM

Not if it is not considered 'killing'.


I guess you believed that if they place your Mother in jail they would have placed her in the very special jail where no murderers rapists or abusers roamed....

see that is what I meant about you lacking empathy....you justifiy your wants over all others even your Mothers


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Sat 01/28/12 04:55 PM

We, as humans, rarely do anything out of a 'need'.
It's a want.


for all you know God could be a human ...according to the bible he made man in his image and he has hands, eyes, a voice ,legs and at least one to three heads...

but whether he is human or not it doesn't stop him from being a sociopath as long as he harms others with no conscious or empathy

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Sat 01/28/12 05:06 PM


Not if it is not considered 'killing'.


I guess you believed that if they place your Mother in jail they would have placed her in the very special jail where no murderers rapists or abusers roamed....

see that is what I meant about you lacking empathy....you justifiy your wants over all others even your Mothers




Dude.

Who is God's mother?
You can't compare me to God, because that's just retarded.

Second.

We all do that, not just me. There are exceptions, and even I have my moments where I make exceptions; but the truth is, 95% of this world is under the notion that this is a 'dog eats dog world' and, truthfully, it has become that.

However, that is all unbelievably irrelevant.

Because once again.. you are comparing me to God and my mother to.. idk who since there is none above God, or so the story goes.

So, can you dispute my point without bringing a totally different and unbelievably irrelevant analogy into it?

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Sat 01/28/12 05:11 PM


We, as humans, rarely do anything out of a 'need'.
It's a want.


for all you know God could be a human ...according to the bible he made man in his image and he has hands, eyes, a voice ,legs and at least one to three heads...

but whether he is human or not it doesn't stop him from being a sociopath as long as he harms others with no conscious or empathy


..in his image does not mean the clone of.

Again, you could make legos from scratch, build them into something that resembles your own image, and then destruct it; that would not make you a sociopath.

And since you like to stretch the meanings of words; that image could be defined as a numerous variety of things. There's over 300 billion of us, who's to say any of us closely resemble him?

..and on that same idea, he originally only made one of us 'in his image'; man is singular. So, theoretically, only Adam would truly have been 'in his image'; and if I recall, he never killed Adam.

Therefore, everything after wasn't his actual creation, just the chain of events (via reproduction) of his first creation.

He began us. We created everything after the original; not him.

Well, that and Eve, of course.

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Sat 01/28/12 05:17 PM

Dude.

Who is God's mother?
You can't compare me to God, because that's just retarded.


I'm only comparing your behavior to that or an entity that would have no consious or lack empathy

people and entites with empathy and a conscious simply do not do things that would get their Mother put in jail



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Sat 01/28/12 05:26 PM


Dude.

Who is God's mother?
You can't compare me to God, because that's just retarded.


I'm only comparing your behavior to that or an entity that would have no consious or lack empathy

people and entites with empathy and a conscious simply do not do things that would get their Mother put in jail


But I am not without empathy entirely.
And I also have proof that others of my same exact being have been shown to have empathy.

God does not. There are no equals.

Either way..
You are comparing me and my mom.. to God.

..and that situation you are comparing did not result in the death of anyone.

..and I still think you need to look up the word abuse.
Because it kinda sounds like you are saying I whoop the chit outta my cat; when it's a once and far in between event.

..and, like I've said 900 times once again..

You are defining in human terms that which cannot be defined in human terms.

Even if God does look like a human; what other human do you know that has the power to create as much as he has supposedly done?

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