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All I can really say to the above is, if we're losing our freedoms every single day, then we're not fighting for them at all. If we have none, there's none to be fought for. Further on fear, the joke is really on us, cause they use fear to sell all the bs on us. Fear of terrorists, fear of bombings, etc. It's all a scare tactic to get us to do what they want. That's all it's ever been, and it's worked like a charm. No the joke is on those who play into the hands of terrorists.... American will always be free...Americans will always be willing (and able) to fight to protect her freedom... Whatever... How can we be hated for our freedoms when we hardly have any anymore? You can think we're free all we want, but you're being flat played like a fiddle. Nothing has changed in the decade since 9-11, we still got the same fear we had then, only difference is we have less rights. That's it. You are young, you will learn...I hope you never have to know first hand what it is like to live without freedom...  I know the memories are sweet however put yourself into a young persons shoes in todays world and if you were intelectualy honest you would probably be a 99% |
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All I can really say to the above is, if we're losing our freedoms every single day, then we're not fighting for them at all. If we have none, there's none to be fought for. Further on fear, the joke is really on us, cause they use fear to sell all the bs on us. Fear of terrorists, fear of bombings, etc. It's all a scare tactic to get us to do what they want. That's all it's ever been, and it's worked like a charm. No the joke is on those who play into the hands of terrorists.... American will always be free...Americans will always be willing (and able) to fight to protect her freedom... How can we be hated for our freedoms when we hardly have any anymore? You can think we're free all we want, but you're being flat played like a fiddle. Nothing has changed in the decade since 9-11, we still got the same fear we had then, only difference is we have less rights. That's it. You are young, you will learn...I hope you never have to know first hand what it is like to live without freedom... I know the memories are sweet however put yourself into a young persons shoes in todays world and if you were intelectualy honest you would probably be a 99% Whatever... |
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Iw was planned by the real people that run this country. Not the president, generals, politicians...The real rulers. The ones that wanted to get the war machine pumped up again. and to those who ask for proof that it was a conspirecy? where is your proof it was done by terrorists? because the Media, owned by the powerful reported it?
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You can have your opinions, we are all entitled to them. I have no issue with that. Now having said all that, number one, I am sure you don't believe you are controlled, and in fact perhaps you may be more awakened than some others are about the things going on and the things that have gone on in the past. However, whether you want to believe it or not, and whether others want to believe it or not, the government and the media in various different ways throughout history has always had a knack of brainwashing its' people in such a way that they don't believe they are brainwashed. They truly believe they are thinking their own thoughts. In reality though, they are only thinking the thoughts they have been programmed to think, the things they have been conditioned to believe, while rejecting anything else that doesn't fit with that. It is quite subtle, and easy to fall into if you are not paying attention enough to notice it. So as much as you think you are thinking your own thoughts and that no one is controlling you, this is not something to be discounted, because it's possible some things you think could be the thoughts of someone else. Number two, you're right I can't pass judgment on every school, or the education they themselves might provide. I am not trying to say I know how they all individually operate or know how all the teachers and professors teach. It may well be that some people will come away with decent education perhaps in spite of the material given to them, and it may well be that some teachers will shoot you straight more than some others, irregardless of the curriculum they are instructed to teach when they take the job. I cannot know those things. But this really isn't about the schools themselves as much as it is about that which controls them particularly from a public standpoint. Said controller is of course the government, and where the government is involved in the process you can bet that to the best of their ability they are gonna try and control the information that is being given to students, and the information that is not. If they don't want something taught it won't be, it's about as simple as that. That in a nutshell is really the main issue with the educational system, because you got a biased government running it that's going to ensure it's own interests are met by it even if it's not in the best interests of the students. They have it set up where they in effect are controlling what the students learn, and in so doing, they start the process of teaching them what to think. So long as you have their hands in the business of educating, you will have this. There may be well intentioned people within the system, good people, people who think they are doing the right thing, and even some that will try and buck the system altogether, but at the root of it, with the government involved, you're not gonna get true education coming out of it, because that won't serve their agenda. If the people knew even half of the things our government has done, is doing and is planning to do, nobody would trust it, and that's not good for their bottom line. Thus they must do all they can to ensure that the people don't become aware, and controlling the education they get is one way that they try and do it. I wanted to place a clapping emoticon here... This has been one of the more reasonable back-and-forths you and I have had. Although I don't necessarily agree with your final statement (I may only partly agree), I do see merit in some of your arguments. However, I see it more in specifics than an overarching catch-all influence. There are still other issues in your argument that I have fault with, but you very clearly stated your stance in a logical manner. Now I understand your view. Good job. I will leave it at this... Some people do not like revisionist history, but it came about because what we are taught is not always the truth. To better reflect the truth, history is occasionally revised. This has been happening for centuries, and it is no different from science in that regard. As we learn more, we incorporate it into our thinking and understanding. However, there are always those who seek to manipulate all things to their own ends. National pride has always been a big part of how American history has been presented within the classroom. Only within the last few decades has American history been modified to present some of the uglier truths about our past. The motivation for this isn't just the civil rights movement. It's also because of what we witnessed during and after WWII: Nazi Germany, Stalin, Japan in China, the Cold War, the dissolution of European Imperialism, etc. In other words, we became more aware of the ugly truth and the dangers within Nationalism which had not only led to Imperialism, but also both World Wars. The McCarthy hearings and Vietnam made it painfully clear that we need to be more honest with ourselves about ourselves and our nation. This was bolstered by the civil rights movement and equal rights for women. As a result, we as a people are generally more analytical and more critical of our role as a nation than perhaps we ever have been. None of this alters your core message which is to continue being critical. In other words, the job is not yet done - there is more to accomplish. That said, many of us are going to differ in vision and perspective. That will affect the path and goals we accept as this nation moves forward. The key is to establish and/or maintain a moderate course rather than to allow the pendulum to swing to an extreme. Unfortunately, some of us are going to define the middle and the two extremes differently. In fact, many of us are going judge our current position within the swing more harshly than the rest. That only means we must be more critical as people to avoid allowing our judgment to be clouded by raw emotions. And that's exactly where we are right now. Emotions are running high, and it is influencing people's thoughts and perceptions. When they calm down, thinking will moderate a bit while still retaining core values and beliefs. That is when we as a people will become most productive, and steer this country in the best direction. |
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No links to info here, just simply your feelings about 911 and why. You don't have to provide proof of feeling the way you do, just explain why you feel that way. This is just a sounding board if you will. I'll go first. So what's your take on this tragedy? I don't think a global "terrorist" organization called Al Qaeda exists, but the people responsible for this are certainly the worst kind of global "terrorists." It's not enough that they did this horrible evil disgusting thing, they did it to scare the people of America into giving up their rights and freedoms, and they passed an act through congress (written months before 9-11 BTW) that gives our government dictatorship powers over the "free" people and they wrongly called it "The Patriot Act" in an effort to intimidate anyone's criticism of it. Anyone who apposed the Patriot Act were reminded that we are at war with "terrorism." It was also immediately shoved down our throats that Osama Bin Laden and his band of terrorist did it. However, the FBI did not have any evidence at all connecting Ben Laden to the attack. Now the CIA reveals that Al Qaeda as a global terrorist network does not really exist. They just made that name up to represent any Islamic extremist acts of terrorism or any act of terrorism at all could be blamed on "Al Qaeda." The stupid thing about this is that people still believe that "Al Qaeda exists" and is a global terrorist network and that they were responsible for 9-11. To quote a Shakespearean play "THERE IS SOMETHING ROTTEN IN DENMARK." What are my personal feelings about 9-11? I am disgusted and angry that evil men would do such a thing. No, actually I am horrified and sickened. There is something very rotten at work in this country and in this world. But I am not going to let any of that change my life. I don't believe the propaganda. I don't believe the 9-11 commission. I don't believe the official B.S. stories. I have lost all faith in the leaders of this country and all faith in the Media that reports their B.S. I also believe there are more people than they realize who think exactly the same thing. Their days are truly numbered. The truth will be known and their Karma will come back to them. |
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No links to info here, just simply your feelings about 911 and why. You don't have to provide proof of feeling the way you do, just explain why you feel that way. This is just a sounding board if you will. I'll go first. So what's your take on this tragedy? I don't think a global "terrorist" organization called Al Qaeda exists, but the people responsible for this are certainly the worst kind of global "terrorists." It's not enough that they did this horrible evil disgusting thing, they did it to scare the people of America into giving up their rights and freedoms, and they passed an act through congress (written months before 9-11 BTW) that gives our government dictatorship powers over the "free" people and they wrongly called it "The Patriot Act" in an effort to intimidate anyone's criticism of it. Anyone who apposed the Patriot Act were reminded that we are at war with "terrorism." It was also immediately shoved down our throats that Osama Bin Laden and his band of terrorist did it. However, the FBI did not have any evidence at all connecting Ben Laden to the attack. Now the CIA reveals that Al Qaeda as a global terrorist network does not really exist. They just made that name up to represent any Islamic extremist acts of terrorism or any act of terrorism at all could be blamed on "Al Qaeda." The stupid thing about this is that people still believe that "Al Qaeda exists" and is a global terrorist network and that they were responsible for 9-11. To quote a Shakespearean play "THERE IS SOMETHING ROTTEN IN DENMARK." What are my personal feelings about 9-11? I am disgusted and angry that evil men would do such a thing. No, actually I am horrified and sickened. There is something very rotten at work in this country and in this world. But I am not going to let any of that change my life. I don't believe the propaganda. I don't believe the 9-11 commission. I don't believe the official B.S. stories. I have lost all faith in the leaders of this country and all faith in the Media that reports their B.S. I also believe there are more people than they realize who think exactly the same thing. Their days are truly numbered. The truth will be known and their Karma will come back to them. when and where did CIA say al queda didnt exist? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/20/11 05:43 PM
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msharmony this thread asks for no links.
Members of the CIA who know better have said so. The agency itself probably has not gone "on record" of saying so. They of course are probably still very much a part of the propaganda machine. But you know how to do a search just as much as anyone else. Use the key words "Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist" or Al-Qaeda Is Fiction: The Organization Doesn't Exist. The O.P. asked for my feelings on 9-11. I personally feel, and always have felt, that Al Qaeda, as an organization, never existed. It has come to be a buzz word for any kind of terrorist activity. Blame it on Al Qaeda blah blah blah.. |
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I just asked because Osama himself used the term and claimed it was the name of a training camp,,,,,
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I just asked because Osama himself used the term and claimed it was the name of a training camp,,,,, I think originally the name did come from the name of a location. But that name was not the name of any global terrorist organization. It just evolved into that within the propaganda machine. |
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All I can really say to the above is, if we're losing our freedoms every single day, then we're not fighting for them at all. If we have none, there's none to be fought for. Further on fear, the joke is really on us, cause they use fear to sell all the bs on us. Fear of terrorists, fear of bombings, etc. It's all a scare tactic to get us to do what they want. That's all it's ever been, and it's worked like a charm. No the joke is on those who play into the hands of terrorists.... American will always be free...Americans will always be willing (and able) to fight to protect her freedom... How can we be hated for our freedoms when we hardly have any anymore? You can think we're free all we want, but you're being flat played like a fiddle. Nothing has changed in the decade since 9-11, we still got the same fear we had then, only difference is we have less rights. That's it. You are young, you will learn...I hope you never have to know first hand what it is like to live without freedom... I know the memories are sweet however put yourself into a young persons shoes in todays world and if you were intelectualy honest you would probably be a 99% Its safe to say its futile to continue on as they refuse to consider the obvious. We have no freedoms left more or less. I look at a cop as my enemy now more than our protector. How in the sam hell can you trust government in light of the TSA and privacy invading setbacks in recent months? Just how can you say you trust your existence with these criminal fascists heading toward a police state? This is what always confuses me about mind-controlled naysayers. And they use the same tired labels from the hogwash yellow journalist stations daily. This is not a safe world anymore. Nazi Germany and Commie Russia wasn't THIS catastrophic. |
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I know the memories are sweet however put yourself into a young persons shoes in todays world and if you were intellectually honest you would probably be a 99% Its safe to say its futile to continue on as they refuse to consider the obvious. We have no freedoms left more or less. I look at a cop as my enemy now more than our protector. How in the sam hell can you trust government in light of the TSA and privacy invading setbacks in recent months? Just how can you say you trust your existence with these criminal fascists heading toward a police state? This is what always confuses me about mind-controlled naysayers. And they use the same tired labels from regurgitated yellow journalist stations always brand. This is not a safe world anymore. Nazi Germany and Commie Russia wasn't THIS catastrophic. |
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We can be as free as we want as long as we don't get caught doing it.
 
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Isn't that what they say about
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All I can really say to the above is, if we're losing our freedoms every single day, then we're not fighting for them at all. If we have none, there's none to be fought for. Further on fear, the joke is really on us, cause they use fear to sell all the bs on us. Fear of terrorists, fear of bombings, etc. It's all a scare tactic to get us to do what they want. That's all it's ever been, and it's worked like a charm. No the joke is on those who play into the hands of terrorists.... American will always be free...Americans will always be willing (and able) to fight to protect her freedom... How can we be hated for our freedoms when we hardly have any anymore? You can think we're free all we want, but you're being flat played like a fiddle. Nothing has changed in the decade since 9-11, we still got the same fear we had then, only difference is we have less rights. That's it. You are young, you will learn...I hope you never have to know first hand what it is like to live without freedom... I know the memories are sweet however put yourself into a young persons shoes in todays world and if you were intelectualy honest you would probably be a 99% Its safe to say its futile to continue on as they refuse to consider the obvious. We have no freedoms left more or less. I look at a cop as my enemy now more than our protector. How in the sam hell can you trust government in light of the TSA and privacy invading setbacks in recent months? Just how can you say you trust your existence with these criminal fascists heading toward a police state? This is what always confuses me about mind-controlled naysayers. And they use the same tired labels from the hogwash yellow journalist stations daily. This is not a safe world anymore. Nazi Germany and Commie Russia wasn't THIS catastrophic. I see imperfections and much improvement can be made, but I hardly see the 'catastrophe' and I doubt anyone that survived or loves a surivivor of Nazi Germany or Commie Russia would agree. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/20/11 08:02 PM
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Some cops are jerks, but that does not mean that they are all jerks. Nevertheless, I basically don't trust your common variety city cop, including the State cops.
They do have a crappy job and I'm sure they come up against a lot of bad people. But they need to remember that not all people are bad people, yet they sometimes have the attitude that they are. You may have to remind them that their job is to protect and serve, not to harass people. |
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ITs understandable and sad that citizens feel this way about police.
Equally sad that many police have come to believe similar negative stereotypes about citizens. |
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Yeah I think its just because a lot of them are paranoid and have guns.
There are GOOD cops out there but they are few and far between. I have to actually look for them sometimes. |
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Part of the problem is that more and more the cops are being trained to not care about the people, and just deliver military style justice instead. One look at how the occupy protesters have been handled shows this, among other things.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/20/11 09:26 PM
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Part of the problem is that more and more the cops are being trained to not care about the people, and just deliver military style justice instead. One look at how the occupy protesters have been handled shows this, among other things. Unfortunately this is true. There are also people installed in the law enforcement professions that are also double agents or paid informants for the agency.- (CIA) (Or the company.) |
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Part of the problem is that more and more the cops are being trained to not care about the people, and just deliver military style justice instead. One look at how the occupy protesters have been handled shows this, among other things. Unfortunately this is true. There are also people installed in the law enforcement professions that are also double agents or paid informants for the agency. Really even the good intentioned among them are not so good, because at the end of the day the entire police force more or less is there to serve the interests of the agency with regards to their laws. They have to go along with them in order to keep their jobs. This isn't their fault of course, but it's one of the problems that exists. |
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