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Funny how the first thing the 911 commission says "a failure of imagination". Funny on how 9/11 we where doing war exercises of planes crashing into buildings! If the military pilots would have had the right real world air traffic control system, every plane would have been intercepted.
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One thing that is not spin is Farmer's book was debunked even before it went to print...The reason it went to print was so it would linger and confuse the issue....It was proven Farmer lied about the Arlington Cemetery witnesses ....He focused on a Citco security vid while ignoring independent and verifiable evidence....He provides not one source for his claims, not one witness...He just expects readers to "assume" he is correct, expects them to trust him as an authority on the whole matter...His only objective in writing the book was to place government as suspect in a false flag terror op...Writing the book had nothing to do with exposing the truth...only obliterating it... Also...Farmer got the Citco vid from Scott Bingham AFTER it was examined in Nashville, Tennessee...His book is nothing more than a schizophrenic "ficton" novel" ... |
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Funny how the first thing the 911 commission says "a failure of imagination". Funny on how 9/11 we where doing war exercises of planes crashing into buildings! If the military pilots would have had the right real world air traffic control system, every plane would have been intercepted. Most openminded people can already see quite clearly. The government lied about 9-11 and slyly admits to lying, assuming that most Americans are stupid and gullible enough to believe their twisted logic. The 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY is filled with lies and almost weekly, another lie is exposed to the light of truth How much longer can they keep this fraud going? |
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Funny how the first thing the 911 commission says "a failure of imagination". Funny on how 9/11 we where doing war exercises of planes crashing into buildings! If the military pilots would have had the right real world air traffic control system, every plane would have been intercepted. Most openminded people can already see quite clearly. The government lied about 9-11 and slyly admits to lying, assuming that most Americans are stupid and gullible enough to believe their twisted logic. The 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY is filled with lies and almost weekly, another lie is exposed to the light of truth How much longer can they keep this fraud going? As long as they control the media. |
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Edited by
actionlynx
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Since no one wants to give it up, and just want to force their beliefs upon others no matter how futile...
Those of you who want truth have been barking up the wrong tree. You will not have adequate government disclosure for at least another 40 years without a change in law. An adequate change in law is unlikely to ever happen. The Freedom of Information Act has 9 exemption clauses. They are (as listed in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552): 1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order; 2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; 3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; FOIA Exemption 3 Statutes 4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; 5) inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; 6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; 7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; 8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or 9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. Of these, number 1 is the most vague and most commonly used by government. For reasons of national security, I don't see the government ever being willing to give this one up. At best, we may be able to shorten the length of time that certain documents are required to remain sealed. Presently, Presidential documents are required to remain sealed for 50 years, or until the President in question becomes deceased, whichever is longer. This is meant to protect the President and his immediate family after he has left office. Otherwise, declassifying documents is at the discretion of the government. There are ways to get around many of the exemptions, but it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Since most of the officials and federal agencies who dealt with 9/11 fall under the Executive Branch of government, it is unlikely that full disclosure will ever happen before 2058. Even if Congress demanded access to classified documents, they are going to be very hesitant to order a full public release. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only other way to those documents can be released is if G.W. Bush consents. That would mean opening his family up to any repercussions, be they foreign or domestic or even life-threatening. Seeing how there reportedly has already been an assassination attempt on his father, I doubt G.W. would consent to early disclosure. But you're all free to try. After all, the classified clause is way overused, and there are non-9/11 issues that should be declassified under the public's right to know. Even then, I'm not sure everyone will believe what the declassified documents say. This is America....You don't know unless you try. |
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Oh yeah. Because NORAD and the FAA said they were more on top of it than they actually were that MUST mean that the US Govt was in on it!!
IT IS A FRAUD OF HUGE PROPORTIONS! ENORMOUS! IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE! ONLY NO ONE CAN FIND ANY PROOF OF IT. BECAUSE BUSH AND CHENEY WON'T TALK! 
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Edited by
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Since no one wants to give it up, and just want to force their beliefs upon others no matter how futile... Those of you who want truth have been barking up the wrong tree. You will not have adequate government disclosure for at least another 40 years without a change in law. An adequate change in law is unlikely to ever happen. The Freedom of Information Act has 9 exemption clauses. They are (as listed in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552): 1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order; 2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; 3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; FOIA Exemption 3 Statutes 4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; 5) inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; 6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; 7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; 8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or 9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. Of these, number 1 is the most vague and most commonly used by government. For reasons of national security, I don't see the government ever being willing to give this one up. At best, we may be able to shorten the length of time that certain documents are required to remain sealed. Presently, Presidential documents are required to remain sealed for 50 years, or until the President in question becomes deceased, whichever is longer. This is meant to protect the President and his immediate family after he has left office. Otherwise, declassifying documents is at the discretion of the government. There are ways to get around many of the exemptions, but it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Since most of the officials and federal agencies who dealt with 9/11 fall under the Executive Branch of government, it is unlikely that full disclosure will ever happen before 2058. Even if Congress demanded access to classified documents, they are going to be very hesitant to order a full public release. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only other way to those documents can be released is if G.W. Bush consents. That would mean opening his family up to any repercussions, be they foreign or domestic or even life-threatening. Seeing how there reportedly has already been an assassination attempt on his father, I doubt G.W. would consent to early disclosure. But you're all free to try. After all, the classified clause is way overused, and there are non-9/11 issues that should be declassified under the public's right to know. Even then, I'm not sure everyone will believe what the declassified documents say. This is America....You don't know unless you try. WOW! I actually agree with you on this! It's what I have stated!
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Since no one wants to give it up, and just want to force their beliefs upon others no matter how futile... Those of you who want truth have been barking up the wrong tree. You will not have adequate government disclosure for at least another 40 years without a change in law. An adequate change in law is unlikely to ever happen. The Freedom of Information Act has 9 exemption clauses. They are (as listed in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552): 1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order; 2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; 3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; FOIA Exemption 3 Statutes 4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; 5) inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; 6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; 7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; 8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or 9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. Of these, number 1 is the most vague and most commonly used by government. For reasons of national security, I don't see the government ever being willing to give this one up. At best, we may be able to shorten the length of time that certain documents are required to remain sealed. Presently, Presidential documents are required to remain sealed for 50 years, or until the President in question becomes deceased, whichever is longer. This is meant to protect the President and his immediate family after he has left office. Otherwise, declassifying documents is at the discretion of the government. There are ways to get around many of the exemptions, but it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Since most of the officials and federal agencies who dealt with 9/11 fall under the Executive Branch of government, it is unlikely that full disclosure will ever happen before 2058. Even if Congress demanded access to classified documents, they are going to be very hesitant to order a full public release. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only other way to those documents can be released is if G.W. Bush consents. That would mean opening his family up to any repercussions, be they foreign or domestic or even life-threatening. Seeing how there reportedly has already been an assassination attempt on his father, I doubt G.W. would consent to early disclosure. But you're all free to try. After all, the classified clause is way overused, and there are non-9/11 issues that should be declassified under the public's right to know. Even then, I'm not sure everyone will believe what the declassified documents say. This is America....You don't know unless you try. So in 2058 we all get to see the missle that hit The Pentagon. |
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!!
The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. |
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WOW! I actually agree with you on this! It's what I have stated!
I know, right? Actually, it was your post that prompted me to make sure people were adequately informed about the Freedom of Information Act. The government is unlikely to give up all of the exemptions because of public pressure. That would be like submitting to mob rule, which is against the intentions of the founding fathers when they chose a republic over a straight democracy. Governments are always going to have secrets. It's in their nature. |
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!! The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. 
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!! The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. 
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Mon 12/19/11 04:09 PM
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!! The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. I still am rolling on the floor laughing about the post of if it was a real terrorist attack they would have flown a plane into a nuclear power plant...........
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Since no one wants to give it up, and just want to force their beliefs upon others no matter how futile... Those of you who want truth have been barking up the wrong tree. You will not have adequate government disclosure for at least another 40 years without a change in law. An adequate change in law is unlikely to ever happen. The Freedom of Information Act has 9 exemption clauses. They are (as listed in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552): 1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order; 2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; 3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; FOIA Exemption 3 Statutes 4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; 5) inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; 6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; 7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; 8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or 9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. Of these, number 1 is the most vague and most commonly used by government. For reasons of national security, I don't see the government ever being willing to give this one up. At best, we may be able to shorten the length of time that certain documents are required to remain sealed. Presently, Presidential documents are required to remain sealed for 50 years, or until the President in question becomes deceased, whichever is longer. This is meant to protect the President and his immediate family after he has left office. Otherwise, declassifying documents is at the discretion of the government. There are ways to get around many of the exemptions, but it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Since most of the officials and federal agencies who dealt with 9/11 fall under the Executive Branch of government, it is unlikely that full disclosure will ever happen before 2058. Even if Congress demanded access to classified documents, they are going to be very hesitant to order a full public release. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only other way to those documents can be released is if G.W. Bush consents. That would mean opening his family up to any repercussions, be they foreign or domestic or even life-threatening. Seeing how there reportedly has already been an assassination attempt on his father, I doubt G.W. would consent to early disclosure. But you're all free to try. After all, the classified clause is way overused, and there are non-9/11 issues that should be declassified under the public's right to know. Even then, I'm not sure everyone will believe what the declassified documents say. This is America....You don't know unless you try. So in 2058 we all get to see the missle that hit The Pentagon. The fact that our Government PLACES MATERIAL IN A VAULT SEALED,,until everyone who was THERE to argue ANY FACTS,,are other dead or to damn tired to want to fight over it again. It was over forty years ago that JFK was assassinated.. America was TOLD HE DIED BY ONE BULLET and ONE SHOOTER! And the Coriners origenal ducuments are missing? The original tapes of that moment showed he received three hits? Then his brothers then MLK,,,,,AND people FEEL BETRAYED! Of those TRUTHS behind the facts to MANY THINGS DONE BY ANYONE! OK,,I can see the reasoning of the events of 911 being and having Security issues to want to hide some of those facts..BUT,,MANY ITEMS go into those locked Vaults,,that DO NOT involve National Security,,AND THATS WRONG! They involve LIES...that THEY want to NOT BE Known about for FIFTY YEARS,,, IF AMERICA HAD NEVER BEEN LIED TO,,WE WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO QUESTION THEIR FACTS? WHY WOULD WE? Can WE not trust a group of Our Government peers with two or three trusted White House Officials,,(Senators, Governers,?) to review FACTS in Private and seek their truths and SEE all the FACTS AS THEIR FRESH AND CLEAR,,and THEN Impose IN PRIVATE,,all who may have twisted the FACTS IN EACH CASE? So JUSTICE CAN PREVAIL? Thats all I'm wondering,,and trust me THIS is NOT just about 911 its about TRUTH...IN WHOLE.. |
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Exactly we have the flight recorders from United 175 and American 11. Yet the government says we never recovered them from Ground Zero. Bullcrap! Ten volunteer workers discovered them and they where taken away by FBI agents. Why play Flight 93's recording, but not the one's that hit the World Trade Center? Exeption clause for a flight recorder.
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Exactly we have the flight recorders from United 175 and American 11. Yet the government says we never recovered them from Ground Zero. Bullcrap! Ten volunteer workers discovered them and they where taken away by FBI agents. Why play Flight 93's recording, but not the one's that hit the World Trade Center? Exeption clause for a flight recorder.
Least we also forget the magically unharmed passports of the hijackers found on the street in mint condition. Cool. 
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Since no one wants to give it up, and just want to force their beliefs upon others no matter how futile... Those of you who want truth have been barking up the wrong tree. You will not have adequate government disclosure for at least another 40 years without a change in law. An adequate change in law is unlikely to ever happen. The Freedom of Information Act has 9 exemption clauses. They are (as listed in Title 5 of the United States Code, section 552): 1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order; 2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; 3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; FOIA Exemption 3 Statutes 4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; 5) inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; 6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; 7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; 8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or 9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. Of these, number 1 is the most vague and most commonly used by government. For reasons of national security, I don't see the government ever being willing to give this one up. At best, we may be able to shorten the length of time that certain documents are required to remain sealed. Presently, Presidential documents are required to remain sealed for 50 years, or until the President in question becomes deceased, whichever is longer. This is meant to protect the President and his immediate family after he has left office. Otherwise, declassifying documents is at the discretion of the government. There are ways to get around many of the exemptions, but it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Since most of the officials and federal agencies who dealt with 9/11 fall under the Executive Branch of government, it is unlikely that full disclosure will ever happen before 2058. Even if Congress demanded access to classified documents, they are going to be very hesitant to order a full public release. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only other way to those documents can be released is if G.W. Bush consents. That would mean opening his family up to any repercussions, be they foreign or domestic or even life-threatening. Seeing how there reportedly has already been an assassination attempt on his father, I doubt G.W. would consent to early disclosure. But you're all free to try. After all, the classified clause is way overused, and there are non-9/11 issues that should be declassified under the public's right to know. Even then, I'm not sure everyone will believe what the declassified documents say. This is America....You don't know unless you try. So in 2058 we all get to see the missle that hit The Pentagon. Just like in 2004 we found out the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened. Pretty convenient no? |
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!! The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. Actually I think the opposite is true, it's those who just go along with the government that doesn't speak well of American education. But then the education system is designed for people to think like that. |
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It is obvious that the pilots of the airlines on 9/11 were half alien genetically engineered clones of George Bush and I dare anyone to prove me wrong!!! The whole conspiracy mentality about 9/11 does not speak well of American education. Actually I think the opposite is true, it's those who just go along with the government that doesn't speak well of American education. But then the education system is designed for people to think like that. I always wondered why my teachers always shushed me when I wanted to know more about elections in "Intro to Government History"... "Hey teachers, leave those kids alone!" |
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