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The debate on 911 was over ages ago as far as I am concerned. I never feared terrorists, continued to fly whenever I wished, didn't have to even change my single bag travel packing much. The impact the terrorists attacks made on me relates to a close friend who was killed and a better awareness of the threat of radical Islamists. 
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I have read about it quite a bit and I can understand the evidence. The evidence is overwhelming that Al-Qaida is responsible and there is absolutely nothing to corroborate any US or third party conspiracy. If it was that overwhelming, everyone would agree, but the fact is many don't, and for good reason. not so in the least. i'll refer you to the holocaust as an example. overwhelming evidence that it occured and not everyone agrees that it happened. so give me a 'good reason' some deny the holocaust happening. can you produce evidence that would underwhelm the evidence that supports the holocaust actually happening or that 9/11 was the work of jihadist extremists? let's see it. dispute the actual evidence. a conspiracy theory is simply an alternative theory and not evidence in itself that another explanation, official or otherwise, is in error much less false. when you make a claim of conspiricy you inherit the burden to proove your claim. Your statement is true in its context. The problem is that the gov't is the author of the "official" report. When they fail to disclose documentation due to "secrecy acts" on an event, such as 9/11, any theory other than theirs is destined to remain strictly theory, and anything contrary to their published document conspiacy. A catch 22! |
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy...  My Lord, because those labels aren't at the forefront of people who can't form their own thoughts and opinions? Such a yellow journalist term. We used those labels because we had nothing to prove they were just rumor. Clearly you've never questioned anything and like things just as they are. 
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy... My Lord, because those labels aren't at the forefront of people who can't form their own thoughts and opinions? Such a yellow journalist term. We used those labels because we had nothing to prove they were just rumor. Clearly you've never questioned anything and like things just as they are. You have no idea what I have questioned Mariah, as shown in your need to "borrow" buzz words and phrases in an effort to impress, surely you can do better, offer something original rather than below average insults and petty supposition... |
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy... My Lord, because those labels aren't at the forefront of people who can't form their own thoughts and opinions? Such a yellow journalist term. We used those labels because we had nothing to prove they were just rumor. Clearly you've never questioned anything and like things just as they are. You have no idea what I have questioned Mariah, as shown in your need to "borrow" buzz words and phrases in an effort to impress, surely you can do better, offer something original rather than below average insults and petty supposition... Not really...I've studied this term in class to the hilt and the propaganda I was feed was gargantuan. This has nothing to do with me not liking you. Quit making it personal. Its about your "ideas" and they are very copycat and force fed. I've seen this several times before and its nothing new. |
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy... My Lord, because those labels aren't at the forefront of people who can't form their own thoughts and opinions? Such a yellow journalist term. We used those labels because we had nothing to prove they were just rumor. Clearly you've never questioned anything and like things just as they are. You have no idea what I have questioned Mariah, as shown in your need to "borrow" buzz words and phrases in an effort to impress, surely you can do better, offer something original rather than below average insults and petty supposition... Not really...I've studied this term in class to the hilt and the propaganda I was feed was gargantuan. This has nothing to do with me not liking you. Quit making it personal. Its about your "ideas" and they are very copycat and force fed. I've seen this several times before and its nothing new. Practice what you preach... |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Mon 12/19/11 11:57 AM
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy... My Lord, because those labels aren't at the forefront of people who can't form their own thoughts and opinions? Such a yellow journalist term. We used those labels because we had nothing to prove they were just rumor. Clearly you've never questioned anything and like things just as they are. You have no idea what I have questioned Mariah, as shown in your need to "borrow" buzz words and phrases in an effort to impress, surely you can do better, offer something original rather than below average insults and petty supposition... A cat fight! WhooHoo!  Be nice ladies  I of course agree there should be a REAL investigation but that won't happen while the gov't locks info under "states secrets acts". That is the barrier my friends are coming under. 53 attempts under the release of information act using "different" language, and they will still not release information that isn't too heavily redacted to use in a hearing. It's wrong, and as long as there is no transparency we will fight amongst ourselves, call each other names, and accomplish nothing. Sad but true! 
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That's what its all about.
And that is what RP is too. Believe it or not.
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A cat fight! WhooHoo! Be nice ladies I of course agree there should be a REAL investigation but that won't happen while the gov't locks info under "states secrets acts". That is the barrier my friends are coming under. 53 attempts under the release of information act using "different" language, and they will still not release information that isn't too heavily redacted to use in a hearing. It's wrong, and as long as there is no transparency we will fight amongst ourselves, call each other names, and accomplish nothing. Sad but true! nah, this topic is so heated I'm surprised we're all still intact. but i don't really turn the tables and go on the attack. i also don't speak on the topic i know absolutely nothing about. |
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RP can and would make a difference, but even he is up against a wall that has been in place for decades! It can't happen overnight, but it can happen, given the support of "the people". We control the legislature dispite what they want us to believe, but it takes action or a vote to change things. I love and admire the devotion RP attracts! His message is obviously one that attracts (dispite what MSM might say...they agree with that!) the common person. Not all will share that enthusiasm, but they will catch on as this next year unfolds and vote against Obummers policy. I believe that, no matter how much the bankers pour into his campaign. People are upset and realize the only way to change anything is to vote! |
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Sure. It is interesting to see how people view it. We know that there are a lot of people who are still chasing after discredited conspiracy theories even after they have been shown conclusively to be unsupported by the evidence. No way to prevent it from appearing ridiculous however. Truthfully, Can't be done. It seems more and more people are saying the same thing I am. despite the massive propaganda campaigns more and more people are simply saying No freaking way it happened as described by the 911 commission.  I have not seen anyone credible from the 911 commission or anywhere else give even the tiniest shred of evidence that any of these wacky conspiracy theories have the slightest hint of truth to them. I believe that those who are coming up with these paranoid delusional conspiratorial theories like the ones discredited at http://www.debunking911.com are a lot like a guy who believes himself to be the emperor of Pluto. (see Charlie Brooker quote below) =-=-=-= All well and good in the world of dreams. But if you continue to believe you're the Emperor of Pluto after you've woken up, and you go into work and start knocking the boxes around with a homemade sceptre while screaming about your birthright, you're in trouble. I mention this because recently I've found myself bumping into people - intelligent, level-headed people - who are sincerely prepared to entertain the notion that there might be something in some of the less lurid 9/11 conspiracy theories doing the rounds. They mumble about the "controlled demolition" of WTC 7 (oft referred to as "the third tower"), or posit the notion that the Bush administration knew 9/11 was coming and let it happen anyway. I mean, you never know, right? Right? And did I tell you I'm the Emperor of Pluto? =-=-=-= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/14/september11.usa The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. " http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php John Farmer the senoir Counsel for the 911 commision claims they were lied to. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? 9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again." With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? How much more proof do you need? |
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Sure. It is interesting to see how people view it. We know that there are a lot of people who are still chasing after discredited conspiracy theories even after they have been shown conclusively to be unsupported by the evidence. No way to prevent it from appearing ridiculous however. Truthfully, Can't be done. It seems more and more people are saying the same thing I am. despite the massive propaganda campaigns more and more people are simply saying No freaking way it happened as described by the 911 commission. I have not seen anyone credible from the 911 commission or anywhere else give even the tiniest shred of evidence that any of these wacky conspiracy theories have the slightest hint of truth to them. I believe that those who are coming up with these paranoid delusional conspiratorial theories like the ones discredited at http://www.debunking911.com are a lot like a guy who believes himself to be the emperor of Pluto. (see Charlie Brooker quote below) =-=-=-= All well and good in the world of dreams. But if you continue to believe you're the Emperor of Pluto after you've woken up, and you go into work and start knocking the boxes around with a homemade sceptre while screaming about your birthright, you're in trouble. I mention this because recently I've found myself bumping into people - intelligent, level-headed people - who are sincerely prepared to entertain the notion that there might be something in some of the less lurid 9/11 conspiracy theories doing the rounds. They mumble about the "controlled demolition" of WTC 7 (oft referred to as "the third tower"), or posit the notion that the Bush administration knew 9/11 was coming and let it happen anyway. I mean, you never know, right? Right? And did I tell you I'm the Emperor of Pluto? =-=-=-= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/14/september11.usa The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. " http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php John Farmer the senoir Counsel for the 911 commision claims they were lied to. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? 9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again." With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? How much more proof do you need? If you bothered to actually look into it... Farmer, however, is talking about some of the details provided after the attacks by NORAD and the FAA, for example that NORAD knew about Flight 93 before it crashed. As he told Brad Friedman, this is the "official story" he believes to have be false, while in exposing this the 9/11 Commission Report is very accurate: JF- Well, let me just say that I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found. Here is Farmer in his own words: http://911reports.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/transcript-john-farmer-on-malloy-show-with-brad-friedman-91109/ Farmer is certainly not saying "the authorities’ version of events today" is false, then, quite the opposite - he believes he and the report uncovered the truth. Basically Farmer describes how the events were less orderly and the government was overall less effective in their response than what they portrayed in the report. But he never argues that the attacks themselves involved any US or third party cooperation or conspiracy! No one - not Farmer nor anyone else found any evidence of a US Govt or third party conspiracy. The responsibility is Al-Qaeda's and Bin Laden's RIP. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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I just had a thought...With all the turmoil going on in the WORLD right now and all the questions and concerns facing the US right now and the upcoming election, why the h*ll are people still rehashing, debating, and arguing 9/11 conspiracy theories? It seems such a waste of time and energy... Part of the issue is, without 9-11, none of this security crap that has gone on in the decade sense could have ever been possible. So it will always be very much relevent on that basis alone. A lot of the power the government now has stems from it. |
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Sure. It is interesting to see how people view it. We know that there are a lot of people who are still chasing after discredited conspiracy theories even after they have been shown conclusively to be unsupported by the evidence. No way to prevent it from appearing ridiculous however. Truthfully, Can't be done. It seems more and more people are saying the same thing I am. despite the massive propaganda campaigns more and more people are simply saying No freaking way it happened as described by the 911 commission. I have not seen anyone credible from the 911 commission or anywhere else give even the tiniest shred of evidence that any of these wacky conspiracy theories have the slightest hint of truth to them. I believe that those who are coming up with these paranoid delusional conspiratorial theories like the ones discredited at http://www.debunking911.com are a lot like a guy who believes himself to be the emperor of Pluto. (see Charlie Brooker quote below) =-=-=-= All well and good in the world of dreams. But if you continue to believe you're the Emperor of Pluto after you've woken up, and you go into work and start knocking the boxes around with a homemade sceptre while screaming about your birthright, you're in trouble. I mention this because recently I've found myself bumping into people - intelligent, level-headed people - who are sincerely prepared to entertain the notion that there might be something in some of the less lurid 9/11 conspiracy theories doing the rounds. They mumble about the "controlled demolition" of WTC 7 (oft referred to as "the third tower"), or posit the notion that the Bush administration knew 9/11 was coming and let it happen anyway. I mean, you never know, right? Right? And did I tell you I'm the Emperor of Pluto? =-=-=-= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/14/september11.usa The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. " http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php John Farmer the senoir Counsel for the 911 commision claims they were lied to. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? 9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again." With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? How much more proof do you need? If you bothered to actually look into it... Farmer, however, is talking about some of the details provided after the attacks by NORAD and the FAA, for example that NORAD knew about Flight 93 before it crashed. As he told Brad Friedman, this is the "official story" he believes to have be false, while in exposing this the 9/11 Commission Report is very accurate: JF- Well, let me just say that I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found. Here is Farmer in his own words: http://911reports.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/transcript-john-farmer-on-malloy-show-with-brad-friedman-91109/ Farmer is certainly not saying "the authorities’ version of events today" is false, then, quite the opposite - he believes he and the report uncovered the truth. Basically Farmer describes how the events were less orderly and the government was overall less effective in their response than what they portrayed in the report. But he never argues that the attacks themselves involved any US or third party cooperation or conspiracy! No one - not Farmer nor anyone else found any evidence of a US Govt or third party conspiracy. The responsibility is Al-Qaeda's and Bin Laden's RIP. The fact that Cheney and Bush refused to go under oath isnt enough for you, well its plenty enough for me and many many others. You can twist and spin this all you can but many many people are hip to the fact 911 is a fraud of huge proportions. |
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I think the people responsible will never be put to justice. So I think debating my points are really pointless.
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IT'S CALLED A COVER-UP.....BUT TRY TO PROVE IT UNDER PRESENT LAWS AND CONDITIONS.... Won't happen....try voting, sometimes that works 
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I think the people responsible will never be put to justice. So I think debating my points are really pointless. |
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One thing that is not spin is Farmer's book was debunked even before it went to print...The reason it went to print was so it would linger and confuse the issue....It was proven Farmer lied about the Arlington Cemetery witnesses ....He focused on a Citco security vid while ignoring independent and verifiable evidence....He provides not one source for his claims, not one witness...He just expects readers to "assume" he is correct, expects them to trust him as an authority on the whole matter...His only objective in writing the book was to place government as suspect in a false flag terror op...Writing the book had nothing to do with exposing the truth...only obliterating it...
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One thing that is not spin is Farmer's book was debunked even before it went to print...The reason it went to print was so it would linger and confuse the issue....It was proven Farmer lied about the Arlington Cemetery witnesses ....He focused on a Citco security vid while ignoring independent and verifiable evidence....He provides not one source for his claims, not one witness...He just expects readers to "assume" he is correct, expects them to trust him as an authority on the whole matter...His only objective in writing the book was to place government as suspect in a false flag terror op...Writing the book had nothing to do with exposing the truth...only obliterating it... |
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Sure. It is interesting to see how people view it. We know that there are a lot of people who are still chasing after discredited conspiracy theories even after they have been shown conclusively to be unsupported by the evidence. No way to prevent it from appearing ridiculous however. Truthfully, Can't be done. It seems more and more people are saying the same thing I am. despite the massive propaganda campaigns more and more people are simply saying No freaking way it happened as described by the 911 commission. I have not seen anyone credible from the 911 commission or anywhere else give even the tiniest shred of evidence that any of these wacky conspiracy theories have the slightest hint of truth to them. I believe that those who are coming up with these paranoid delusional conspiratorial theories like the ones discredited at http://www.debunking911.com are a lot like a guy who believes himself to be the emperor of Pluto. (see Charlie Brooker quote below) =-=-=-= All well and good in the world of dreams. But if you continue to believe you're the Emperor of Pluto after you've woken up, and you go into work and start knocking the boxes around with a homemade sceptre while screaming about your birthright, you're in trouble. I mention this because recently I've found myself bumping into people - intelligent, level-headed people - who are sincerely prepared to entertain the notion that there might be something in some of the less lurid 9/11 conspiracy theories doing the rounds. They mumble about the "controlled demolition" of WTC 7 (oft referred to as "the third tower"), or posit the notion that the Bush administration knew 9/11 was coming and let it happen anyway. I mean, you never know, right? Right? And did I tell you I'm the Emperor of Pluto? =-=-=-= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/14/september11.usa The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. " http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php John Farmer the senoir Counsel for the 911 commision claims they were lied to. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? 9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again." With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? How much more proof do you need? If you bothered to actually look into it... Farmer, however, is talking about some of the details provided after the attacks by NORAD and the FAA, for example that NORAD knew about Flight 93 before it crashed. As he told Brad Friedman, this is the "official story" he believes to have be false, while in exposing this the 9/11 Commission Report is very accurate: JF- Well, let me just say that I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found. Here is Farmer in his own words: http://911reports.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/transcript-john-farmer-on-malloy-show-with-brad-friedman-91109/ Farmer is certainly not saying "the authorities’ version of events today" is false, then, quite the opposite - he believes he and the report uncovered the truth. Basically Farmer describes how the events were less orderly and the government was overall less effective in their response than what they portrayed in the report. But he never argues that the attacks themselves involved any US or third party cooperation or conspiracy! No one - not Farmer nor anyone else found any evidence of a US Govt or third party conspiracy. The responsibility is Al-Qaeda's and Bin Laden's RIP. The fact that Cheney and Bush refused to go under oath isnt enough for you, well its plenty enough for me and many many others. You can twist and spin this all you can but many many people are hip to the fact 911 is a fraud of huge proportions. Oh yeah. Because NORAD and the FAA said they were more on top of it than they actually were that MUST mean that the US Govt was in on it!! IT IS A FRAUD OF HUGE PROPORTIONS! ENORMOUS! IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE! ONLY NO ONE CAN FIND ANY PROOF OF IT. BECAUSE BUSH AND CHENEY WON'T TALK!
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