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I find the logic that we should not be concerned about one thing if we can find something worse to be concerned about to be flawed its like saying, why worry who adopts kids when there are so many natural parents who are doing such a poor job in reality, both issues are important , and I love pie  especially strawberry
very well said! my favorite is boysenberry 
never heard of a strawberry pie before 
If you have a Smiths grocery store in your town, they usually have them at the bakery,,, AMAZING,,,sigh 
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sexual orientation, sexual preference, innate vs nurtured really matters not to me our SEXUAL activities can be changed, I have changed mine from active to abstinent,, I almost changed it from heterosexual to bisexual,, but decided against it,,, for those who are christian, God is all powerful and like a good parent, will work with us when we are willing to work on ourself... Almost experimenting with bi-sexual and then deciding not to continue, -- does not a change make. Yes, sexual activities can be changed. Orientation cannot. That is something that is determined in the womb. not proven, but one theory,,, Oh I think its been proven. different from KNOWING it has been proven,, there is no unilateral study that showed any correlation that A) did not occur as well in heterosexuals (albeit a possibly lower rate) or B) occurred in all homosexual cases so there is no definitive PROOF of how INNATE preference is,, If it is a conscious choice, then how do you explain it occurring in animals? Because they were born that way. who says animals dont make choices? DUH! You can't possibly believe that animals have sexual preferences by choice. It is how they were born. Use your head. I really can't believe people actually believe this garbage. I feel like I'm living in the dark ages. animals have a survival instinct, and all species dont survive the same way whats 'natural' to one species is not automatically natural to all species what one species does for survival, another species with CONSCIOUS thought(as in human beings) does by choice some species eat their young, but I wouldnt argue that human cannibals must therefore be 'born that way'.... no, but why do some animals of one species automatically attract to the same sex, while other animals of that same species don't? it is hardly considered a survival tactic when animals of the same species have been living for years perfectly without being "gay", and on that note, how in the world is it a survival tactic, when the animals cannot reproduce? |
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sexual orientation, sexual preference, innate vs nurtured really matters not to me our SEXUAL activities can be changed, I have changed mine from active to abstinent,, I almost changed it from heterosexual to bisexual,, but decided against it,,, for those who are christian, God is all powerful and like a good parent, will work with us when we are willing to work on ourself... Almost experimenting with bi-sexual and then deciding not to continue, -- does not a change make. Yes, sexual activities can be changed. Orientation cannot. That is something that is determined in the womb. not proven, but one theory,,, Oh I think its been proven. different from KNOWING it has been proven,, there is no unilateral study that showed any correlation that A) did not occur as well in heterosexuals (albeit a possibly lower rate) or B) occurred in all homosexual cases so there is no definitive PROOF of how INNATE preference is,, If it is a conscious choice, then how do you explain it occurring in animals? Because they were born that way. who says animals dont make choices? DUH! You can't possibly believe that animals have sexual preferences by choice. It is how they were born. Use your head. I really can't believe people actually believe this garbage. I feel like I'm living in the dark ages. animals have a survival instinct, and all species dont survive the same way whats 'natural' to one species is not automatically natural to all species what one species does for survival, another species with CONSCIOUS thought(as in human beings) does by choice some species eat their young, but I wouldnt argue that human cannibals must therefore be 'born that way'.... no, but why do some animals of one species automatically attract to the same sex, while other animals of that same species don't? it is hardly considered a survival tactic when animals of the same species have been living for years perfectly without being "gay", and on that note, how in the world is it a survival tactic, when the animals cannot reproduce? there are many theories , IM sure the one I have heard most often is that physical behaviors in the animal kingdom can result from things other than a 'natural sexual' attraction such as a desire to establish dominance, to avoid confrontation, and even a harder time determining gender identtity in some 'lower form' animals.. |
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How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"? Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them? gay is no part that make them, it is simply part of the choice they make. Is your being African not part of you, just like my being of Irish descent is part of me? Just like you have dark hair and dark eyes and I have red hair and green eyes is part of which makes us different....things we have no choice (except for hair color) in changing. I am the proud mother of a lesbian/transgendered young adult. I say it that way because she hasn't gone for her shots yet in order to change her appearance, so she is still a lesbian right now. I knew from the time she was about two years old that she was gay...there was NO abuse of ANY kind, my ex and I were still together at the time so it was still a two parent home, so where was her "cause" for hating to wear girls clothes, not wanting to play with girl toy?? She had both older male and female cousins but always wanted the clothes from her male cousins. Even if the outfit only had a teddy bear on it, she wanted the one driving the truck not the one holding flowers. For her first three years of schooling, she tried to act like a girl but it wasn't working and she had so many problems with schooling. Once she went into counseling and into a different school where she could act how she wanted without being around other young children she grew up with who picked on her because of her liking girls, she came into her own, did great in school, and graduated with honors...and a girlfriend who stood behind her. It most definitely is not a CHOICE....she would not choose to be in a situation where she had to move to a different state away from most of her family, just in order to finish her middle school/high school education. A choice that would put her through so much shunning and ridicule that she had to find somewhere else to feel accepted by her peers, her family always accepted her, no matter what. |
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How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"? Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them? gay is no part that make them, it is simply part of the choice they make. Is your being African not part of you, just like my being of Irish descent is part of me? Just like you have dark hair and dark eyes and I have red hair and green eyes is part of which makes us different....things we have no choice (except for hair color) in changing. I am the proud mother of a lesbian/transgendered young adult. I say it that way because she hasn't gone for her shots yet in order to change her appearance, so she is still a lesbian right now. I knew from the time she was about two years old that she was gay...there was NO abuse of ANY kind, my ex and I were still together at the time so it was still a two parent home, so where was her "cause" for hating to wear girls clothes, not wanting to play with girl toy?? She had both older male and female cousins but always wanted the clothes from her male cousins. Even if the outfit only had a teddy bear on it, she wanted the one driving the truck not the one holding flowers. For her first three years of schooling, she tried to act like a girl but it wasn't working and she had so many problems with schooling. Once she went into counseling and into a different school where she could act how she wanted without being around other young children she grew up with who picked on her because of her liking girls, she came into her own, did great in school, and graduated with honors...and a girlfriend who stood behind her. It most definitely is not a CHOICE....she would not choose to be in a situation where she had to move to a different state away from most of her family, just in order to finish her middle school/high school education. A choice that would put her through so much shunning and ridicule that she had to find somewhere else to feel accepted by her peers, her family always accepted her, no matter what. BRAVO! Encore, encore!!  
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 11/03/11 01:51 AM
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How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"? Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them? gay is no part that make them, it is simply part of the choice they make. Is your being African not part of you, just like my being of Irish descent is part of me? Just like you have dark hair and dark eyes and I have red hair and green eyes is part of which makes us different....things we have no choice (except for hair color) in changing. I am the proud mother of a lesbian/transgendered young adult. I say it that way because she hasn't gone for her shots yet in order to change her appearance, so she is still a lesbian right now. I knew from the time she was about two years old that she was gay...there was NO abuse of ANY kind, my ex and I were still together at the time so it was still a two parent home, so where was her "cause" for hating to wear girls clothes, not wanting to play with girl toy?? She had both older male and female cousins but always wanted the clothes from her male cousins. Even if the outfit only had a teddy bear on it, she wanted the one driving the truck not the one holding flowers. For her first three years of schooling, she tried to act like a girl but it wasn't working and she had so many problems with schooling. Once she went into counseling and into a different school where she could act how she wanted without being around other young children she grew up with who picked on her because of her liking girls, she came into her own, did great in school, and graduated with honors...and a girlfriend who stood behind her. It most definitely is not a CHOICE....she would not choose to be in a situation where she had to move to a different state away from most of her family, just in order to finish her middle school/high school education. A choice that would put her through so much shunning and ridicule that she had to find somewhere else to feel accepted by her peers, her family always accepted her, no matter what. yes, a 'choice' to 'feel' something that she is seeking regardless of how hard or how much sacrifice is involved to get it my ancestry is a biological fact, regardless of my environment or upbringing or 'feelings' my skin is likewise a biological fact, regardless of my environment or upbringing or 'feelings' our sexual behaviors, and how I choose to present myself or be seen are CHOICES that depend plenty upon our environment , upbringing, and 'feelings' many young girls, for instance, FEEL as if they should have been bigger breasted, and they go through high risk surgery to APPEAR as if they are, and that is a choice their ACTUAL breast size is what they had no choice in we can choose to alter ourselves in many ways, but its always a choice to do so |
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Its late, gonna get some sleep
gnite folks 
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Edited by
eileena9
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Thu 11/03/11 02:07 AM
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How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"? Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them? gay is no part that make them, it is simply part of the choice they make. Is your being African not part of you, just like my being of Irish descent is part of me? Just like you have dark hair and dark eyes and I have red hair and green eyes is part of which makes us different....things we have no choice (except for hair color) in changing. I am the proud mother of a lesbian/transgendered young adult. I say it that way because she hasn't gone for her shots yet in order to change her appearance, so she is still a lesbian right now. I knew from the time she was about two years old that she was gay...there was NO abuse of ANY kind, my ex and I were still together at the time so it was still a two parent home, so where was her "cause" for hating to wear girls clothes, not wanting to play with girl toy?? She had both older male and female cousins but always wanted the clothes from her male cousins. Even if the outfit only had a teddy bear on it, she wanted the one driving the truck not the one holding flowers. For her first three years of schooling, she tried to act like a girl but it wasn't working and she had so many problems with schooling. Once she went into counseling and into a different school where she could act how she wanted without being around other young children she grew up with who picked on her because of her liking girls, she came into her own, did great in school, and graduated with honors...and a girlfriend who stood behind her. It most definitely is not a CHOICE....she would not choose to be in a situation where she had to move to a different state away from most of her family, just in order to finish her middle school/high school education. A choice that would put her through so much shunning and ridicule that she had to find somewhere else to feel accepted by her peers, her family always accepted her, no matter what. yes, a 'choice' to 'feel' something that she is seeking regardless of how hard or how much sacrifice is involved to get it my ancestry is a biological fact, regardless of my environment or upbringing or 'feelings' my skin is likewise a biological fact, regardless of my environment or upbringing or 'feelings' our sexual behaviors, and how I choose to present myself or be seen are CHOICES that depend plenty upon our environment , upbringing, and 'feelings' many young girls, for instance, FEEL as if they should have been bigger breasted, and they go through high risk surgery to APPEAR as if they are, and that is a choice their ACTUAL breast size is what they had no choice in we can choose to alter ourselves in many ways, but its always a choice to do so I was addressing this to Joy4gud's comment about it 'is not part' of them. It is part of their biological make-up, regardless of their environment and up-bringing and feelings just as your skin and your ancestry is part of you regardless of yours. She did not choose to have feelings for women but it is the way she is and always has been. Lesbianism is her actual sexual orientation, something she had no choice in. She IS choosing to try and get the testosterone shots in order to change her appearance in order to fully feel on the outside how she feels on the inside, that she should have been born a boy instead of a girl. She also feels this will stop the rest of the discrimination of homophobes who will always have mean-spirited comments and feelings for someone who is just looking for what ALL the rest of us are.....UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. |
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I LOVE being Gay!
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 oops....perhaps a bad time?
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nope, because those types of decisions can change,,, we should continue to encourage men and women to commit to each other for the sake of our community and each new generation of children that comes out of such unions,,, ha. 'for the sake of our community.' like it's in great condition or something. i'm pretty sure that those against homosexual sex use 'god' as their main reason. you're just trying not to bring it up. why would you deny someone the right to get married just because you don't like what they're doing in bed? if you don't like it, then don't do it. the end. don't stand in the way of their happiness. [although considering you're bi, i'm sure you'd like it. your god just won't let you. :p] marriage is not a 'right' , rights dont carry pre requisites,, why do people insist upon being 'married' if not doing so doesnt stop them from being together the way they want to there are no laws against homosexual relationships, there is just no legal support and encouragement of homosexual SEX A lot of gay couples have children, and property and legal marriage has a lot of legal benefits for couples. Insurance, inheritance, responsibility etc. yes, here is where i have big problem with them, if they are not be attrected to the opposite sex then, they don't have the right to want what comes from two opposite sex (which is children) if they can not produce for themself, then they should live without it.... What other people do and how they live their lives is none of your business if it does not hurt you. You are very clearly prejudice and uninformed. Why do you think you have the right to say who has the right to want children? That's really sad.  
yeh.... a sad truth... |
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oops....perhaps a bad time?
 OR......it just doesn't matter???
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oops....perhaps a bad time?
OR......it just doesn't matter???
Joel!!! Are you looking for a spanking?????? 
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only if Jon joins
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nope, because those types of decisions can change,,, we should continue to encourage men and women to commit to each other for the sake of our community and each new generation of children that comes out of such unions,,, ha. 'for the sake of our community.' like it's in great condition or something. i'm pretty sure that those against homosexual sex use 'god' as their main reason. you're just trying not to bring it up. why would you deny someone the right to get married just because you don't like what they're doing in bed? if you don't like it, then don't do it. the end. don't stand in the way of their happiness. [although considering you're bi, i'm sure you'd like it. your god just won't let you. :p] marriage is not a 'right' , rights dont carry pre requisites,, why do people insist upon being 'married' if not doing so doesnt stop them from being together the way they want to there are no laws against homosexual relationships, there is just no legal support and encouragement of homosexual SEX A lot of gay couples have children, and property and legal marriage has a lot of legal benefits for couples. Insurance, inheritance, responsibility etc. yes, here is where i have big problem with them, if they are not be attrected to the opposite sex then, they don't have the right to want what comes from two opposite sex (which is children) if they can not produce for themself, then they should live without it.... What other people do and how they live their lives is none of your business if it does not hurt you. You are very clearly prejudice and uninformed. Why do you think you have the right to say who has the right to want children? That's really sad.
yeh.... a sad truth... "if they can not produce for themself, then they should live without it...." so are you also saying that a woman declared as infertile, seeing that she cannot produce children on her own, should live with the fact that she won't ever have children? and seeing as being gay is not really something most people have a choice in, isn't this pretty much the same concept? they cannot produce on their own, but who's to say they are unfit to be parents? i've known worse heterosexual couples who should definitely not have had the choice to have children, but no one can determine who is socially acceptably enough to have kids. |
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only if Jon joins
I'm sure he will if you ask nicely..... .....he will bring the paddle!!
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.....and......."Yes"!
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only if Jon joins
I'm sure he will if you ask nicely..... .....he will bring the paddle!!
I'm sure you ask him to bring the paddle....nightly...
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only if Jon joins
I'm sure he will if you ask nicely..... .....he will bring the paddle!!
I'm sure you ask him to bring the paddle....nightly...
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