Universal law is universal law and light would always be some kind of frequency. Frequency is movement and vibration is what the WORD IS. You tend to divide the spiritual world from this world as if they are not the slightest bit connected. I don't understand how you can claim to be close to God if this is what you do.

Everything is connected. You can believe what ever you want,

Logic says that light is a frequency no matter where you find it. If there is no frequency, there is no light.

(In truth, if there are no observers, there is no light seen.)

And I did say that yes, there are probably many different kinds of light, but light is still frequency.... and no, not only God knows that. It is simple logic and the universal law of vibration.

And you haven't been paying attention. I am not a member of ECKankar anymore. That was more than 20 years ago. geeeze, maybe even 30.

Anyway you have your way of seeing truth, I have mine.

I did not say that the light "that shineth within" came from the sun. That's ridiculous.

The sun has its own light.

But all humans are animated by spirit.
and ALL humans have that light within.

It is the light of life!

If they did not have it, they would not be ALIVE. It is as simple as that.

A pet peeve I have is when Christians make these kinds of cliche` scriptural statements like "Jesus is the Light" or the "light of the world."
and then they don't like it when someone takes that as a literal statement.

Right now, the "Light of the world" is the SUN, not the Son.

You seem to believe that in some future world, there will be no need for a sun because Jesus will light up the world. That does not make any sense at all.

So you say that the light of Jesus is a "spiritual light."

What does that even mean?

Exactly what is "spiritual light?"

Does the Bible mention "spiritual light?" Does it say that the light of God and the light of Jesus is different from what we know as light?

Now, scientists KNOW that there are many spectrums of light. Some cannot even be seen. Is this what you would call "spiritual light?"

If spiritual light is not light then what is it?
If it is not a frequency then what is it?
Is it imaginary? Metaphorical? Or is it real??

If you don't know what it is, then how can you make such claims about it? If only "God" knows, then how can you preach to anyone these things that you don't even understand?

They have no meaning if even you don't understand them in the real sense.

And to make the claim that "only born again Christians" have this light within is just incorrect.

Ok Jeannie...I think this may help further explain...



"When Jesus was born in Bethlehem, He came to give us

life. When the Holy Spirit shined the light of the Gospel into our

hearts, there was a divine photosynthesis that took place,

producing life where before there was only death...."


"Jesus is the Word and Jesus is the True Light, shining from itself

and by itself."



to read more, click on link below :



http://mudpreacher.org/2010/12/06/jesus-the-true-light-of-christmas/







And this one goes more into depth on who Jesus

is...

and also gives a good explanation of the Trinity.


http://www.gci.org/jesus/whowas








Then Jeannie, I misunderstood what you were saying

earlier,.and I apologize

for the misinderstanding.

I believe Jeannie, and the book...lol

both sides use the argument of 'the book' being an ALL or Nothing Source.

I cant count how many times I have shared my interpretation of something and someone says,, SHOW ME WHERE THE BOOK SAYS THAT,,,,

as in, falsehood by omission

The god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

JennieBean...if according to the bible nothing existed but God and Darkness...then who's choice are you referring to?

MorningSong ...going outside the bible to make reference that Jesus is God is in fact proving that he wasn't God....

as I have bound myself by using only what's in the bible....shouldn't you also be?

I searched through "The Book of Genesis" over and over ....but I simply can't find anything about "In The Beginning" that Jesus was The Word ......which sort of proves that Jesus isn't "Always Was"

Funches....that scripture is found in the book of John:

John1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God



Here are also some other scriptures that will help throw light on

Who Jesus is.

But remember now... God is God the Father ,God the Son ,and God

the Holy

Spirit...which are the 3 persons in ONE GOD....meaning all 3

persons are equally God, but still make up only ONE GOD.

(explaining

this, so you will understand when you see God mentioned).


Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


Proverbs 8:23

I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.


Luke 24:53

And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.


John 1:2

He was with God in the beginning.


John 1:14

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen

his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father,

full of grace and truth.


John 8:58

"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"


John 17:5

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.


Romans 9:5

Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.


Philippians 2:6

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,


Colossians 1:15

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


Colossians 1:17

He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


1 John 1:1

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we

have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have

touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.


1 John 1:2

The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we

proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has

appeared to us.


Revelation 19:13

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Morningsong:
taken from the last link you posted: (yes I read them)



Correction: The primary colors are Red, Yellow(<--yellow) and blue, not "red, green and blue." Some one should SERIOUSLY tell those people they have it all wrong....(makes me wonder what else they have wrong...I mean for someone like me that is a HUGE ERROR AND MISTAKE!) They really need to correct that.

Morningsong,

As an artist I studied color and light a lot more intensely than most people, and probably more than most other artists.

I had to smile when I read this from the link you posted because while I was studying light and color I called the three primary colors "the trinity" and it was something spiritual in my eyes. Most people didn't understand what I was talking about. I would tell people that color is only a reflection of white light.

In mixing colored paints, I taught them to think only in terms of the three colors, Red, Yellow and blue, the primary colors.

All other colors can be approximated (mixed) by using the three primary colors.

A secondary color involves two primary colors.
A Tertiary color involves three primary colors.

It really irritates me that I see MOST books on mixing color are wrong in their definition of a tertiary color calling yellow-green and red-violet tertiary colors when these are still only a secondary colors because they only involve two primary colors. Those are really intermediate (secondary) pure colors.

Tertiary colors are not pure colors. They are your browns, grays, and less intense colors. As pigments, complimentary colors will cancel each other's color out and become less intense.

Anyway here is a color mixing lesson. My approach to painting is a religion to me involving the trinity of color. LOL

P.S.
The secondary colors are:

Green, Violet (which is also called purple) and Orange.

"The Word" just like "The Light" refers to Faith ...Faith, The Light and Jesus were creations given to Man

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SO MANY SO CALLED COLOR WHEELS AND BOOKS ON COLOR HAVE IT ALL WRONG:

What they have labeled "tertiary" are NOT tertiary colors, they only involve two primary colors so they are "intermediate secondary colors."

Good God!! If humans can't even get this simple fact strait, I shutter to think how screwed up there religious ideas are.

But at least these idiots got the Primary colors right!!

RED, YELLOW, BLUE. = PRIMARY COLORS






NOTE: THE ABOVE PICTURE IS WRONG.

Those colors are marked "tertiary" are still only secondary intermediate colors involving only two primary colors.

Funches your ideas are screwed up too I believe.

The Word and the Light does not refer to faith, it refers to VIBRATION!

Sound is THE WORD. (Your voice makes sounds, and words and it is a vibration.

Light is VIBRATION.

Its all vibration and frequency.

but you have yet to explain if Jesus is equal to God then why didn't Jesus have the same knowledge as God and know the time of Judgement Day...

this question is how the bible made sure that no one can logically make the claim that Jesus is God ...

Those are pointless questions funches. You are just being annoying again and pestering the Christians. Maybe if you got a hobby. LOL

I should probably take my own advice. I'm beginning to get frustrated.

I've got to get back to the real work in the "real" world we call "reality." LOL

JennieBean...those are not my ideas ...I was going by what's in the bible ...and according to the bible God created Light which is why if someone claim that Jesus is the light it means that Jesus is a creation of God but not God ....

but what you are trying to do is used physics to explain your faith ...the two do not mix well and generally cancel each other out ....

JennieBean has once again become the mingle2 question monitor...so do I e-mail all my future questions to you before I post them so you can give them your seal of approval of having a "point"



yes I'm pretty sure the Christian do not need to be pestered while they are teling us that we are all sinners and will burn in Hell ..shame on me



it's nice that you taken time from your hobby to log into Mingle2 to tell others that they need a hobby



DUH?


calm down...try holding your breath and count to a billion...by ones




what reality or dimension do you exist in where no computers or The Internet exist?

Yes, funches you can send me your questions first and I will approve them if they are good questions. LOL

AH very good. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining that.
Carry on my good man! (thats my English accent)




I am using physics to explain the nature of reality, not my faith.

(Plus I like to pester the so-called die hard scientists on this mingle2)

My faith is in the universal laws.

The Ten Commandments?