Topic: Humans, Humans we have gone through enough
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Sun 06/05/11 05:13 PM




Everything is a choice. Everything.

But there are influences all around us. We chose what resonates with us. If it resonates with you that is where you belong.





life is nothing but choice, indeed even no choice is a choice

all choices have some INFLUENCE from our experiences and our environment, what we perceive as our NEEDS and our WANTS,,,

I have always believed this too.


if life is nothing but choices then that would indicate that babies make the choice to come into existence and be born


Yep we do. We are so much more than we are told, and this is proof of it. We are not sinners sent here in punishment, having to try and reach God again. We never were or are separated from God at all, He is always with us, and we are a part of Him.

We come here of our own accord to complete the paradox. If we weren't here, none of this would exist. So we choose to be the workers as it were, so that it can.


it sounds as if you are telling the story of Jesus Christ..so are you sure you weren't influenced just a little by that story ...

but anyway going by your post it appears that you were educated and knew your mission or purpose before you left the spiritual existence and were born into this existence

so can you present any "knowledge" that you brought from your spiritual existence that would be considered to be "unknown knowledge" here but yet can be proved

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Sun 06/05/11 05:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/05/11 05:20 PM
God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


If you say that God is light, then you are also saying that light is God.




And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.




None of that makes any scientific or quantum sense at all.

Light is a frequency. All that exists is a frequency.

Everyone is a light unto them self.

You said:

Christ's life is called "the light of men"

Hence, men (humans) have their own light.

Each person has their own frequency.








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Sun 06/05/11 05:21 PM
Edited by funches on Sun 06/05/11 05:21 PM

Funches....yes..God created the light(energy

source)....the sun and moon and the stars (lesser lights).

But...even BEFORE God created the light(energy source for the

world), HE WAS THE LIGHT....meaning..He was/is a SPIRITUAL

LIGHT....and was the Light for the world, even before He created

light (energy source).


And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.


Funches.....God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


See the difference here?

Jesus is a SPIRITUAL LIGHT.


in that case spiritual light can only refer to faith ...light which is uttered and not seen by the living

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Sun 06/05/11 05:21 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 06/05/11 05:24 PM
also the bible and even Jesus states that Jesus did not know the time of Judgement Day and that only the Father knows which indicate that Jesus is not omniscient, nor The Father, Nor Equal to God....there is simply no way around Jesus's "Judgement day confession" for those that seek to claim that Jesus is God or equal to God...


Funches....

WHEN JESUS was on this earth, He was OBEDIENT to the

FATHER.

JESUS left ALL His Glory behind and became humble..

and dwelt among us.


JESUS is fully God as well as fully man, Funches.



JESUS ALWAYS WAS ...even from the very beginning.


In the beginning, Jesus was the WORD.


JESUS said,"BEFORE Abraham was, I AM."



:heart::heart::heart:

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Sun 06/05/11 05:34 PM

also the bible and even Jesus states that Jesus did not know the time of Judgement Day and that only the Father knows which indicate that Jesus is not omniscient, nor The Father, Nor Equal to God....there is simply no way around Jesus's "Judgement day confession" for those that seek to claim that Jesus is God or equal to God...


WHEN JESUS was on this earth, He was OBEDIENT to the

FATHER.

JESUS had left ALL His Glory behind to become humble..

and dwell among us...and also become man.


JESUS is fully God as well as fully man, Funches.


But Funches ,

JESUS ALWAYS WAS ...even from the very beginning.


In the beginning, Jesus was the WORD.


JESUS said,"BEFORE Abraham was, I AM."


:heart::heart::heart:


MorningSong...what you are indicating is that everytime God becomes Jesus that he can create a rock that he himself can't lift?......

that an ominpotent God if they become a Man will lose their Super powers

you're sort of proving that God isn't a True God ...

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Sun 06/05/11 05:36 PM

God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


If you say that God is light, then you are also saying that light is God.




And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.




None of that makes any scientific or quantum sense at all.

Light is a frequency. All that exists is a frequency.

Everyone is a light unto them self.

You said:

Christ's life is called "the light of men"

Hence, men (humans) have their own light.

Each person has their own frequency.













Jeannie...when I said God is LIGHT, but light is not

God, I am trying to clarify here,

that the "light energy source that comes from the sun"

is not the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD" I am talking about here...


Jesus IS CALLED "THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD".....

MEANING...

JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.


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Sun 06/05/11 05:41 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 06/05/11 05:45 PM





Everything is a choice. Everything.

But there are influences all around us. We chose what resonates with us. If it resonates with you that is where you belong.





life is nothing but choice, indeed even no choice is a choice

all choices have some INFLUENCE from our experiences and our environment, what we perceive as our NEEDS and our WANTS,,,

I have always believed this too.


if life is nothing but choices then that would indicate that babies make the choice to come into existence and be born


Yep we do. We are so much more than we are told, and this is proof of it. We are not sinners sent here in punishment, having to try and reach God again. We never were or are separated from God at all, He is always with us, and we are a part of Him.

We come here of our own accord to complete the paradox. If we weren't here, none of this would exist. So we choose to be the workers as it were, so that it can.


it sounds as if you are telling the story of Jesus Christ..so are you sure you weren't influenced just a little by that story ...

but anyway going by your post it appears that you were educated and knew your mission or purpose before you left the spiritual existence and were born into this existence

so can you present any "knowledge" that you brought from your spiritual existence that would be considered to be "unknown knowledge" here but yet can be proved



Ok....I understand that there are different

opinions voiced on here..


but I will say this:

NOWHERE in the bible does it state that we

choose to come here on our own accord.



:heart::heart::heart:



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Sun 06/05/11 05:44 PM

Funches....

JESUS said,"BEFORE Abraham was, I AM."



Jesus could have been making reference to faith ....

because it's obvious that Jesus didn't exist before Abraham since the people knew that he was born from the womb of Mary long after Abraham had died

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Sun 06/05/11 05:49 PM






Everything is a choice. Everything.

But there are influences all around us. We chose what resonates with us. If it resonates with you that is where you belong.





life is nothing but choice, indeed even no choice is a choice

all choices have some INFLUENCE from our experiences and our environment, what we perceive as our NEEDS and our WANTS,,,

I have always believed this too.


if life is nothing but choices then that would indicate that babies make the choice to come into existence and be born


Yep we do. We are so much more than we are told, and this is proof of it. We are not sinners sent here in punishment, having to try and reach God again. We never were or are separated from God at all, He is always with us, and we are a part of Him.

We come here of our own accord to complete the paradox. If we weren't here, none of this would exist. So we choose to be the workers as it were, so that it can.


it sounds as if you are telling the story of Jesus Christ..so are you sure you weren't influenced just a little by that story ...

but anyway going by your post it appears that you were educated and knew your mission or purpose before you left the spiritual existence and were born into this existence

so can you present any "knowledge" that you brought from your spiritual existence that would be considered to be "unknown knowledge" here but yet can be proved



Ok....I understand that there are different

opinions voiced on here..


but I will say this:

NOWHERE in the bible does it state that we

choose to come here on our own accord.



:heart::heart::heart:





yep..according to the bible God surely didn't ask Adam and Eve did they want to be born ....they didn't have a choice in the matter

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Sun 06/05/11 05:55 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/05/11 05:56 PM


God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


If you say that God is light, then you are also saying that light is God.




And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.




None of that makes any scientific or quantum sense at all.

Light is a frequency. All that exists is a frequency.

Everyone is a light unto them self.

You said:

Christ's life is called "the light of men"

Hence, men (humans) have their own light.

Each person has their own frequency.













Jeannie...when I said God is LIGHT, but light is not

God, I am trying to clarify here,

that the "light energy source that comes from the sun"

is not the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD" I am talking about here...


Jesus IS CALLED "THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD".....

MEANING...

JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.






Morningsong, quantum physics says that light is light.

Light is frequency.

You can call it "spiritual" if you want, but it is still light.

Light can't be anything but what it is.

Frequency. Vibration.

There is no "magic."

Everything has an explanation, even the confusing stories in the scriptures.

LIGHT IS LIGHT. LIGHT IS FREQUENCY.









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Sun 06/05/11 05:59 PM

Ok....I understand that there are different

opinions voiced on here..


but I will say this:

NOWHERE in the bible does it state that we

choose to come here on our own accord.




I did not ever claim that it said that in the Bible.

I'm just saying that it is my belief that we did indeed choose to come here on our own accord.

After all, we are eternal beings, and we have free will.

Nobody forced me to come here.

I am here because I chose to come here.

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Sun 06/05/11 06:03 PM







Everything is a choice. Everything.

But there are influences all around us. We chose what resonates with us. If it resonates with you that is where you belong.





life is nothing but choice, indeed even no choice is a choice

all choices have some INFLUENCE from our experiences and our environment, what we perceive as our NEEDS and our WANTS,,,

I have always believed this too.


if life is nothing but choices then that would indicate that babies make the choice to come into existence and be born


Yep we do. We are so much more than we are told, and this is proof of it. We are not sinners sent here in punishment, having to try and reach God again. We never were or are separated from God at all, He is always with us, and we are a part of Him.

We come here of our own accord to complete the paradox. If we weren't here, none of this would exist. So we choose to be the workers as it were, so that it can.


it sounds as if you are telling the story of Jesus Christ..so are you sure you weren't influenced just a little by that story ...

but anyway going by your post it appears that you were educated and knew your mission or purpose before you left the spiritual existence and were born into this existence

so can you present any "knowledge" that you brought from your spiritual existence that would be considered to be "unknown knowledge" here but yet can be proved



Ok....I understand that there are different

opinions voiced on here..


but I will say this:

NOWHERE in the bible does it state that we

choose to come here on our own accord.



:heart::heart::heart:





yep..according to the bible God surely didn't ask Adam and Eve did they want to be born ....they didn't have a choice in the matter



Exactly, Funches.


flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou

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Sun 06/05/11 06:06 PM
Just because the Bible does not mention it, does not mean they did not have a choice.


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Sun 06/05/11 06:10 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 06/05/11 06:12 PM



God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


If you say that God is light, then you are also saying that light is God.




And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.




None of that makes any scientific or quantum sense at all.

Light is a frequency. All that exists is a frequency.

Everyone is a light unto them self.

You said:

Christ's life is called "the light of men"

Hence, men (humans) have their own light.

Each person has their own frequency.













Jeannie...when I said God is LIGHT, but light is not

God, I am trying to clarify here,

that the "light energy source that comes from the sun"

is not the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD" I am talking about here...


Jesus IS CALLED "THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD".....

MEANING...

JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.






Morningsong, quantum physics says that light is light.

Light is frequency.

You can call it "spiritual" if you want, but it is still light.

Light can't be anything but what it is.

Frequency. Vibration.

There is no "magic."

Everything has an explanation, even the confusing stories in the scriptures.

LIGHT IS LIGHT. LIGHT IS FREQUENCY.













But regardless, Jeannie.... these are still 2

different kinds of light we

are talking about here:

one is an ENERGY source of light to the world

the other is a

SPIRITUAL source of LIGHT to the world.

BOTH are POWER sources...but again, these are 2 different

kinds of light .

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Sun 06/05/11 06:18 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 06/05/11 06:20 PM

Just because the Bible does not mention it, does not mean they did not have a choice.




This. This is the definition of closed minded thinking in a nutshell. Because your book doesn't say something, it's automatically false. Open your mind up a bit, there's much more out there, beyond just what a book says.

And beyond all that, are you gonna dare say Jeannie was dreaming or something or that she didn't experience what she said she did? If I'm having to choose between what a book says the truth is, and what a real person says she's experienced, I'd have to go with the real live being every single time. A book cannot surpass the experience of an actual person.

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Sun 06/05/11 06:27 PM


also the bible and even Jesus states that Jesus did not know the time of Judgement Day and that only the Father knows which indicate that Jesus is not omniscient, nor The Father, Nor Equal to God....there is simply no way around Jesus's "Judgement day confession" for those that seek to claim that Jesus is God or equal to God...


WHEN JESUS was on this earth, He was OBEDIENT to the

FATHER.

JESUS had left ALL His Glory behind to become humble..

and dwell among us...and also become man.


JESUS is fully God as well as fully man, Funches.


But Funches ,

JESUS ALWAYS WAS ...even from the very beginning.


In the beginning, Jesus was the WORD.


JESUS said,"BEFORE Abraham was, I AM."


:heart::heart::heart:


MorningSong...what you are indicating is that everytime God becomes Jesus that he can create a rock that he himself can't lift?......

that an ominpotent God if they become a Man will lose their Super powers

you're sort of proving that God isn't a True God ...


Again....

Just as light is BOTH a wave AND a particle,


so is

JESUS... BOTH fully man as well as FULLY God.


:heart::heart::heart: :heart:

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Sun 06/05/11 06:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/05/11 07:07 PM




God IS Light...but now ...

that is not saying light is God.


If you say that God is light, then you are also saying that light is God.




And ONE DAY, JESUS WILL ONCE MORE BE THE ONLY LIGHT THAT THE WORLD

WILL NEED..IN THAT DAY WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE NIGHT.

AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THERE WILL ALSO BE NO MORE NEED FOR

THE SUN....

BECAUSE JESUS ALONE WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

CAUSE GOD IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.




None of that makes any scientific or quantum sense at all.

Light is a frequency. All that exists is a frequency.

Everyone is a light unto them self.

You said:

Christ's life is called "the light of men"

Hence, men (humans) have their own light.

Each person has their own frequency.













Jeannie...when I said God is LIGHT, but light is not

God, I am trying to clarify here,

that the "light energy source that comes from the sun"

is not the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD" I am talking about here...


Jesus IS CALLED "THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD".....

MEANING...

JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL LIGHT.






Morningsong, quantum physics says that light is light.

Light is frequency.

You can call it "spiritual" if you want, but it is still light.

Light can't be anything but what it is.

Frequency. Vibration.

There is no "magic."

Everything has an explanation, even the confusing stories in the scriptures.

LIGHT IS LIGHT. LIGHT IS FREQUENCY.






But regardless, Jeannie.... these are still 2

different kinds of light we

are talking about here:

one is an ENERGY source of light to the world

the other is a

SPIRITUAL source of LIGHT to the world.

BOTH are POWER sources...but again, these are 2 different

kinds of light .





Science would disagree with you. (They don't recognize "spiritual" anything.)

But
Light is light.

I am sure there are many different kinds and frequencies of light in our vast unknown universe and in other unknown universes on higher planes of existence, (EVEN HEAVEN) --but Light is still light, and it is still FREQUENCY.!!

(As above, so below.)

But if you know so much about these two different kinds of light perhaps you will enlighten the scientific community. (and me) with more than just stating that it is "spiritual" light.

I don't really draw a hard line between my physical reality and my spiritual reality. I have seen that which you call "spiritual" light and it still looked like light to me, and it is still probably involving some kind of frequency that I was tuned into and that my eyes translated as light.

Besides, where do you get the idea that there are two different kinds of light, and one is "spiritual light?"

When the Bible said that Jesus is the Light, it did not say that Jesus is the "spiritual" light and it did not say that there were two different kinds of light.

That just seems to be your own idea. You don't believe the Bible.

Light is Light. Jesus is light.

Yes there are probably a lot of different frequencies that can be interpreted as light. Probably more that can be counted.

The idea of the light and the life and that we are all light beings has deep spiritual significance.

I understand what these references mean. I'm not sure you do.


From what I have been learning, everything is frequency, everything is consciousness.






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Sun 06/05/11 07:38 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 06/05/11 07:42 PM
Jeannie....whether God's Spiritual Light is frequency

or not...only God knows that...

but regardless.......

the light source of energy

for this world, is NOT the same as

the spiritual LIGHT ,

that JESUS is referring to

when He says ,"I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD."



Actually, When a person is born again, that same light enters

the spirit of man...and that only happens because that person's spirit

is now reconnected back with God(born again)...

otherwise, a person could not handle that spiritual light

entering his spirit, that ONLY comes from God alone!!!


Again Jeannie ,as mentioned earlier ,That same spiritual Light

that comes from God alone, will be the

only light one day....when there will be no more sun.flowerforyou

To further explain....Read to the END of this article here...http://ldolphin.org/light.html


Scriptures are listed at the end of this article that will

hopefully throw more light on how Jesus , Being the Light of the World ,

differs from the light, that is the energy source of this world.


:heart::heart::heart:

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Sun 06/05/11 08:04 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 06/05/11 08:07 PM
The idea of the light and the life and that we are all light beings has deep spiritual significance




The light that shineth within,

is not the light that comes from the sun.....but from the SON.

A born again christian has that light.



Jeannie...I am not by any means a follower of EK in any form

or fashion...but

there was this article written some time ago....

on how Ek soul travellers passed over

a building of christians, and saw all these "lights" in

these people?

But then they passed over their own group of Ek followers, and saw

no lights at all, on any of their own group of followers.

They saw Only darkness....and it made them wonder.


If this article were true or not..I do not know...

but nevertheless, I thought I'd use this to perhaps better explain ...

how the light of the Lord that shines in a born again

christian...

is surely NOT the same light ...



that just comes from the sun!!
:tongue: flowerforyou


:heart::heart::heart:



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Sun 06/05/11 08:35 PM


Funches....

JESUS said,"BEFORE Abraham was, I AM."



Jesus could have been making reference to faith ....

because it's obvious that Jesus didn't exist before Abraham since the people knew that he was born from the womb of Mary long after Abraham had died



Funches, BEFORE JESUS' INCARNATION , HE WAS KNOWN AS THE WORD.


THE WORD WAS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING...

MEANING...


JESUS (WORD)WAS RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING...

MEANING ...

JESUS ALWAYS WAS.

In other words,

In the beginning , of course Jesus was NOT born in the flesh yet,

Funches....but in the beginning, Jesus was the WORD...

and the WORD became FLESH...

and DWELT AMONG US.....that being JESUS.
flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou