I think we all have some evil or semi evil thoughts, some more so than others and some worse than others. We wouldn't be human if we didn't. It's our actions that matter, not merely thinking about something.

That a God would expect us to control that to the letter is a bit much for me.

then Cowboy why are you still posting to me about the subject.....the debate was over once I busted you in the lie that you followed all the teachings of Jesus....even Jesus didn't follow all of his own teachings but yet amazingly you're more righteous than Jesus....it's a miracle

either your posts are contradicting each other or they contain lies ...

I can't believe I'm saying this...but... perhaps you need Jesus in your life

Cowboy..this is what Funches is getting at :

In some earlier discussions BEFORE on the forum..you did NOT

believe in the basic fundamental truths of Christianity.

But now...

since it has been better explained to you now,

do you now believe and accept the basic fundamental

teachings of

christianity ..is the point Funches is trying to make here.



For instance, in following the teaching of Jesus....

do you now finally understand and believe that Jesus IS

EQUALLY God with the Father.....


do you finally understand and believe that now...

that the Father , Son, and Holy Spirit ...that make up the 3 persons

of the Godhead,

are ALL EQUALLY GOD ?

yes or no....



That is what Funches is trying to make clear.


Also.... to just follow the teachings of God doesn't get one

saved....

it is ONLY by believing and recieving Jesus into our hearts ,

by FAITH ,

that gets us saved.....no works required to get saved....

but WORKS WILL FOLLOW..

THEN as PROOF that salvation actually DID take place.....

and one WILL

then follow the teachings of Christ

afterwards,

as PROOF that one was truly saved afterall.


Do you now believe this also, Cowboy?


BELIEVING these basic fundamental beliefs.... is what

makes up christianity..and is the POINT Funches is trying to make.

Well I don't believe in a judgmental God anyway. I don't believe there is a God out there somewhere who reads my thoughts and judges me for them. I am a free soul and my thoughts are mine alone. No other being, is sitting in judgement of them.

However,

I do believe we create our experiences from the way we think and feel. Our thoughts and our attitudes and our feelings are part of who we are and what we create. They are completely under our own control. They can be influenced a lot but with conscious will, we can get control of our thoughts and where we place our attention.

That is what free will is all about. It is a choice about where we place our attention.

(A hypnotist can fool you because he knows how to distract your attention.)

First off, about Jesus, the holy ghost, and the father being one. We had a misunderstanding on that, little naive and misguided on my side. That to is done with, gone, bypassed.

Second no, faith does not save a man, then works will follow. Takes both in the first place.
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14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
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We aren't told of what you keep saying. Right here, it specifically states faith without works is dead. You could not have faith then works, because the faith in the first place without the works is dead. Easy way to respond to you on this subject would be the next verse.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Your faith is hidden in the closet without the works. You're hiding what you believe if you do not show it. Your faith is in vein if it is not shown. Having the faith and doing the works is a simultaneous thing, no one then the other.

Right on Cowboy!

Action speaks louder than words.

For sure.

What did Jesus do that did not go with his teachings? lol. Jesus did as he said perfectly, to the T. There is no error in Jesus. And you busted me in no lie, for you do not know my personal life. You do not know how I live my life, what I do or don't do. I could be a drug deal'n horrible child molesting pervert for all you know or I could be a total saint that only shares love with no hatred to everyone. You know absolutely not of how I live my life. So you're still making premeditated lies that can not be backed up. It is none of your business which one of Jesus' laws I follow or don't follow on a daily basis, that is ABSOLUTELY none of anyone's business. That is between God and I. Nor does it have anything at all to do with this thread. So please, stay on track and don't make it personal.

Exactly. It all boils down to faith in the long run, but our faith is shown in our actions.

For a simple example, say someone steals something. That is showing a lack of faith in God to provide them with that which they stole, or got greedy and thought they deserved it regardless of what God thought.

Yes that is true in my belief too, the person who steals lacks the faith and belief that he can attract wealth and prosperity any other way.

He lacks faith. Whether it is a lack of faith in God or the Universe to provide, or a lack of faith in himself, he lacks faith.

He might believe he can't get a job, or make any money any other way, or he might believe he can't make enough money to get what he wants.

He does not understand the law of consequences.

I will explain one more time....then will just

trust God to make it clear.


When Jesus died on that cross, Jesus did it ALL!!!!

ALL !!!

Meaning...there is NOTHING WE COULD EVER POSSIBLY ADD, TO WHAT

JESUS

ALREADY DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US , IN ODER TO BE SAVED.

Cowboy, To think we have to ADD OUR WORKS ALSO, is like saying

Jesus did NOT

do enough for us on that cross.


ALL THAT MAN HAS TO DO IN ORDER TO BE SAVED..IS TO FREELY ACCEPT

BY FAITH IN HIS HEART, THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE BEING OFFERED TO

US.

IT COST GOD EVERYTHING....HE PAID THE PRICE IN FULL...

ALL WE HAVE TO DO NOW IS FREELY RECIEVE THAT GIFT OF GRACE

OFFERED UNTO US..BY FAITH.

NOTHING MORE!!!

NOTHING MORE REQUIRED....

NO WORKS REQUIRED!!!

(Now.... YES.....works WILL follow,as PROOF that one has truly

been saved.

YES.

But the scripture saying,"if a person says he has faith, and has

not works, then his faith is dead" ,

is actually saying this :

If there are no works following after salvation, that person's

faith is dead...meaning....

THAT PERSON WAS NEVER SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!


THAT is what that scripture means, and a lot of people misinterpret

it...not just you, Cowboy.



Once more..Salvation is a FREE GIFT OF GRACE..

IT DID NOT SAY FAITH PLUS WORKS EQUAL SALVATION...NO.


Meaning once more...IF we think we HAVE to add WORKS, ALONG with

Faith , in order to be saved, that is like saying to Jesus ,

"Hey Jesus ,You did not do enough for me on that cross....I

have to add

my stinkin works too now...along with my faith, in order to be saved ."

NOPE.

WRONG.


THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE IS FREELY OFFERED TO ALL....FREELY.......NO

WORKS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO RECIEVE THAT WONDERFUL FREE GIFT OF

GRACE.


ALSO.....THE BIBLE SAYS...COME AS YOU ARE..JUST AS YOU ARE....

DON'T HAVE TO GET CLEANED UP FIRST...NOPE...COME JUST AS YOU

ARE..BELIEVING WITH FAITH IN YOUR HEART TO RECIEVE JESUS !!!


AGAIN....NOTHING ELSE REQUIRED ...EXCEPT A TRUSTING WILLING

FAITHFUL HEART.

THAT'S IT!!!

NOW.....

WORKS HOWEVER WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW.....AS PROOF THAT A PERSON IS

TRULY, A BORN AGAIN CHILD OF GOD.


Hoping this helps make things clearer now.....finally.

Ok...so you are saying, that

you DO finally understand and believe that now...

that the Father , Son, and Holy Spirit ...that make up the 3 persons

of the Godhead,

are ALL EQUALLY GOD ?

Yes ?

And if no...that's fine...just means it is not clear yet.


But I am gonna be real honest Cowboy...if this isn't clear yet,

it doesn't mean you don't love and believe in God....

and also believe in Jesus...I beleive you do....

but what I strongly feel is this:

you haven't yet really RECEIVED JESUS OF THE BIBLE...except as

some 'little god' you beleive in.


And that is why I personally think God is trying to get your

attention here....

as to who the REAL JESUS is.

Cause God Loves You Very Much Cowboy....and wants you to know the

WHOLE TRUTH of WHO HE IS.

NOT Cowboy's version.

And because I care and love you too,my friend , I want you to

KNOW the REAL JESUS too, Cowboy.

Cause there are a LOT OF FALSE JESUS'S being preached about out there.

Morningsong you are sure doing a lot of preaching yourself.

Do you really think YOUR belief is right and everyone else's is wrong?

Guess what? Everyone thinks that way.

Jus' keepin Cowboy in line with the Word....

Wanna see him become The REAL JESUS preacher man now !!

then why do you still have sins



then name at least four teachings of Jesus that you personally follow everyday....that question tend to pop Christians into reality ...I bet you search the Internet for an answer...but of course you found out that there is not four teaching that you claim that you follow ...also since you claim to not follow a religion is why you couldn't use any of the ten commandments in your answer ...you simply caught yourself in a lie



well you did reveal a lot about yourself in the threads...was it the truth or more lies



Christian priest have done it...so why not you ..you already admitted that you are weak and sin...aren't all sins the same



nah...a total saint would know the story of Noah's Ark..you didn't



I am bound by what you have posted about yourself in the forums...you made reference to the fact that you are not satified with you life or your body which is why you're always claiming that flesh is sin and why you look forward to death and it probably explain why you morphed into a Christian



as I said if it's none of my business then stop posting it to me because then you make it my business...



then post your lies to God and not to me ...isn't he the father confessor



it was you that made it part of this thread when you posted it...try taking responsibility for what you post or don't post it or at least not whine about it when you can't back up what you posted



doctor heal thyself

the basics of the Christian religion is that Jesus is the son....the bible placed in failsafe so that no one could claim that Jesus was God or equal to God....

some of these failsafes was that the son did not know the time of Judgement day only the father knows....which proves that Jesus is not omnipotent and therefore not God or equal to God

also Jesus prayed to the father and the father prayed to no one ...if Jesus was equal why did he have to pray to the father

Jesus popped out of a womb and had a mother fertilized by a Father ....a True God has no parents ...

Hopefully this will shed more "light" on Who Jesus

is...




............................LIGHT OF THE WORLD.............................

(John 8:12; 9:5)

Introduction:

One of the most famous illustrations that the word of God uses to

show the difference between

righteousness and unrighteousness, between good and evil, between

truth and error, is the

difference between light and darkness. The Gospel of John especially

uses this picture. In it,

Christ's life is called "the light of men" (1:4), and His light is

said to have shined "in darkness;

and the darkness comprehended it not" (vs. 5). The Lord Jesus Christ

is called "the Light," (vs.

7,8,9) who "lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (vs. 9).

He didn't come just to

enlighten the elect." In (Jn. 8:12 and 9:5), Jesus calls

Himself "The light of the world."


Whenever the Bible uses Any illustration, and particularly an

illustration such as this one that is

used so often, we'd better expect it to say a lot more than can be

gleaned from just the casual

glance.


There are several things that we can learn about the Lord Jesus

Christ through studying

something about the thing that He called Himself - light.


I. THE POWER OF LIGHT

A. Light is a powerful provider


Light is energy-pure energy. The greatest natural source of light is

the sun. Jesus Christ is called

"the Sun of righteousness" (Mal. 4:2), and just as the sun's light

is the physical source of our

energy, Jesus Christ is the true source of our spiritual energy.


Whatever we eat ultimately comes from the energy of the sun's light.

Green plants, through

photosynthesis, convert light energy into stored energy. When we eat

the plant, we are

consuming energy that was once light.


We cannot escape the power and energy of light, just as the power of

Jesus Christ is the thing

which keeps all things together (Col. 1:17; Rom. 11:36) and the

power that gives us the ability

to be what we spiritually can be (Eph. 3:16, 6:10; Phil. 4:19; Col.

1:11).


B. Light is powerful in its speed


Light travels at approximately 186,282 miles per second. Nothing in

our experience can move

faster. It is the universal, absolute standard of speed. Einstein,

in fact, postulated that

everything-even time itself - is relative to only one existing

constant: the speed of light.


Jesus Christ is the absolute standard by which all other things are

measured (Acts 17:31). He

never changes His character (Heb. 13:8). It is easier for heaven and

earth to pass away than for

anything that comes from His mouth to be annulled, changed, or

altered (Matt. 5:18, 24:35) -

and even time itself is subject to Jesus Christ, He was alive before

there was time (John 1:1),

and He will be alive when the new heavens and new earth are made

(Rev. 21:6).


When Jesus wants something done, nothing can slow Him down; nothing

can hinder Him from

the execution of His plan (Matt. 28:18).



II. THE "PROBLEM" OF LIGHT


It is very difficult to explain or fully understand exactly what

light is. This is because light has a dual

nature.

For 300 years, there have been fierce arguments in the scientific

community whether light was

a particle or a wave. Presently, scientific dogma says that is

both - even though scientists

readily admit that this is "impossible." They shrug their shoulders

and call it a "wave" when it

does what a wave is expected to do, and they call it a "particle"

when it does what a particle is

expected to do. According to all the present evidence, light is not

part particle and part wave

(or a particle moving in a wave like pattern, as many falsely

imagine), but it is all wave and all

particle, all at the same time.


Jesus Christ is all God and all man. He is proclaimed to be God

(Isa. 9:6; Jn. 1:1; 1 Tim. 3:16;

Tit. 1:3; Heb. 1:8), and yet we know that He is all man (I Tim.

2:4). He tried (Jn. 4:6), He wept

(Jn. 11:35), He thirsted (Jn. 19:28), and He was "in all points

tempted like as we are, yet

without sin" (Heb. 4:15).



III. THE PURPOSE OF LIGHT


Light is that which makes manifest. Obviously, if it were not for

light, nothing could be seen.

Light shows things for what they really are. Light never lies. If

there is a scratch in the paint,

light will show it. If there is an imperfection in a diamond, light

will manifest it.


A. Light manifests sin for what it is


"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,

and men loved darkness rather

than light" WHY? "because their deeds were evil" (Jn. 3:19). One

reason that the world doesn't

love Jesus Christ is because He, as the Light, shows people that

their sin is hopeless, wicked,

and unprofitable. The "angel of light," the devil (2 Cor. 11:14)

tries to glorify sin, but this is a

counterfeit light. The true Light tells the truth about sin.



B. Light manifests God for Who He is


Jesus bore witness of the Father (Jn. 1:18; 148,9; 17:26) and

Himself (Jn 8:18). He manifested

God and God's character to us.



C. Light, because it manifests, dissolves our unfounded fears.


There is nothing more terrifying than not knowing what is scaring

you. Being in the dark is the

worst. If you see something fearful, at least you know how to deal

with it. But when you are in

darkness, that is fear.


Jesus Christ scatters all of our illegitimate fears with His

glorious light. He tells us that we do

need to fear-we need to fear ( reverence ) God (Luke

12:5), but if we have that mastered, we will fear

very little else, and will live a joyful life (Rom. 14:17; Gal.

5:22; Phil. 1:4,25; 1 Pet. 5:7- 1 Jn.
4:18).



D. Light makes it possible to work


In the context of Jesus' proclamation that He is the light of the

world (Jn. 9:5) comes the

statement, "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is

yet day: the night cometh,

when no man can work" (vs. 4).


Without Light, it is virtually impossible to do any kind of

profitable work. Without Christ,

service to God is meaningless, and in vain (2 Cor. 13:5). Works

without Jesus Christ is as much

vanity and worthlessness as trying to paint a picture in absolute

darkness. With the light,

however, all labor is worthwhile. You can see what you are doing.

You can work what God has

asked you to work without frustration, knowing "that your labour is

not in vain in the Lord" (1

Cor. 15:58).


http://www.thebiblestudypage.com/light.shtml

Thanks Morningsong!

That is actually very enlightening.
In fact, I think it might be more that just "an illustration."

Given the nature of quantum world, we are all beings of light and the world is actually made up of light and sound.

(Did you know that according to Bradley's discovery of Stellar Aberration that light travels 186,400 miles per second? That is also the number of the members of the "tribe of Judah" mentioned in Revelation.)... interesting.

I think that the character "Jesus" may indeed represent 'light and life' in the literal sense.

I'm not sure he was a real person, but the story of the son of God dieing for mankind has been told in many different cultures even before the time of Jesus so I have always thought that the story has to mean something.

But even the photon can't be measured or called an actual object.
The underlying structure of all things could simply be consciousness, whatever that is.



http://cseligman.com/text/history/bradley.htm




I have my own poem about the Light and the Life:


You are the ONE


The truth is Darkness, there is no light;
But don’t despair in dark of night.
You are the ONE to make it right;
Bring forth creation; embrace the sight.

The Love is ONE and Light is Life.
You are the ONE in peace or strife.
Bring forth the light, let your heart shine.
For all is love, and love divine.

Bring forth the light; it comes from thee.
The truth of darkness cannot be.
You are the ONE, there is no night.
You are the ONE, bring forth the Light.

To dream is life, and not -- to die;
Bring forth the light and live the lie!
For Light is Life, and Love, the breath,
Tis at this door choose life or death....

Jeannie...I especially like The last two lines of your

poem ....

life is nothing but choice, indeed even no choice is a choice

all choices have some INFLUENCE from our experiences and our environment, what we perceive as our NEEDS and our WANTS,,,

I have always believed this too.

This should shed some more "light" also....








.............................SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS...............................

(Malachi 4:2)

Introduction:

"For the Lord God is a sun and shield" (Ps. 84:11). The Lord is

compared to the Sun and more specifically, Jesus Christ is called

the day - spring (Lk. 1:78). The sun that shines in the sky, some 93

million miles from the earth, is full of types of the triune

Godhead. We will observe several demonstrations of these types.



I. THE TRINITY


A. The components of the sun

About three-fourths of the sun's mass consists of hydrogen, the

lightest known element. Almost a fourth of the sun's mass consists

of helium. Because the sun is made up entirely of gas it is

invisible, yet it is visible. God obviously has both characteristics

as (1 Tim. 3:16 and Jn. 1:18) reveal to us.


B. The rays of the sun


Since the Godhead can be clearly seen (Rom. 1:20) and Jesus Christ

is likened to the "sun," we may conclude that He is the source of

all spiritual life, all spiritual warmth, all spiritual growth, and

all spiritual sight in this world. The sun has alpha, beta, and

gamma rays (rays which can be seen, but not felt; felt, but not

seen; and rays which can be neither felt nor seen!)




II. THE LOVE OF GOD


Since God is love (1 Jn. 4:16), it is reasonable to conclude that

all blessings come from Him (Jam. 1:17). It is universally

recognized that without the sun, life as we know it, would not

exist on the earth.

A. The sun provides our food


All living things - both plants and animals - are part of a process

called the food chain. The food chain starts with green plants.

These plants make their own food through the process of

photosynthesis.


During photosynthesis, plants combine energy from sunlight with

carbon dioxide from the air, and water from the soil, to make food.

In the process, the plants give off oxygen. Some plants are eaten

by animals, which in turn are eaten by larger animals, Man eats both

animals and plants. Man and animals breath the oxygen that the

plants release during photosynthesis. They exhale the carbon dioxide

that, in turn, is used by plants (Phil. 4:19).



B. The sun provides our energy


Plants use sunlight for photosynthesis. Animals eat the plants, and

man uses both plants and animals for food, clothing, and shelter.


Even the artificial light we use comes from the sun, for that is

manufactured by power plants that use fossil fuels; coal, oil, and

natural gas. These fuels come from plants and animals that lived

long age.


In addition, man uses sunlight for power in other ways. For example,

the effects of sunlight cause wind, which man uses to power

windmills. Sunlight also evaporates water which falls as rain and

snow,

The water forms rivers. Hydroelectric power plants on the rivers use

the power of moving water to generate electricity. Solar energy is

also becoming more and more popular. In the plainest possible

words - energy is power, that we cannot live without, (Matt. 28:18).


C. The sun regulates our weather


Sunlight has a great influence on the earth's weather. For example,

it evaporates water from rivers, lakes, and oceans, and this water

later falls as rain or snow.


When the water is suspended in the atmosphere clouds appear. They

reflect sunlight back into space. Sunlight also comes to the earth

at various angles during different seasons. Clouds, and the angle at

which sunlight reaches the earth, result in uneven heating of the

earth's atmosphere. This uneven heating causes differences in air

pressure. Air moves from high pressure areas to low pressure areas,

causing wind and changes in weather.


Weather can be a blessing, (Deut. 28:12) or a curse, (Deut. 28:24)

depending upon our obedience to God. (See Job 37:22 and 1 Kings 17:1)




III. THE GLORY OF GOD


The glory of God is demonstrated through the sun several ways:


A. Its vastness


The diameter of the sun is about 865,000 miles, about 109 times the

diameter of the earth. The sun is 740 times more massive than its

nine major planets together. These figures remind us of the

insignificance of man in the light of God's attributes. (See Jer.

23:23,24; Hab. 3:3; Ps. 139:7-12; Ps. 19:1; Job 25:3, 22:12; Ps.

113:4)


B. Its colors


According to "World Book" encyclopedia, "The sunlight given off by

the sun's surface is made up of many colors. These colors are not

all equally bright. Various elements in the photosphere absorb some

of the colors and prevent the sun from giving off those colors.

Scientist can see what colors are absorbed by passing sunlight

through a glass prism to form a spectrum." Various colors have

always been used to describe the glory of God. (See Eze. 1:26-28;

Rev. 4:3; 10:1)


A prism, be it natural (rainbow) or man made allows us to see a

small part of the color of the sun.


The part that we can actually see is so small - "For now we see

through a glass darkly; but then face to face:" (1 Cor. 13:12) that

we can have little appreciation for all that will someday be made

available. The earth only receives about one two billionth of the

sun's light and heat. The prism that God has given us to get a

better picture is HIS WORD.



http://www.thebiblestudypage.com/sun.shtml