your wasting your time with her... she thinks she knows something, but really knows nothing...

so your verse is right, while mine is wrong? lol, i'm done arguing with the likes of you... your liberalness is just to much

Sahih International
Indeed, those who conceal what We sent down of clear proofs and guidance after We made it clear for the people in the Scripture - those are cursed by Allah and cursed by those who curse,

http://quran.com/2

You are obviously Christian and are defending your religion but the old testament is full of god telling people to kill those who do not follow him.

So you cannot defend that religion either.

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate!



Or take the case of the one who passed by a township
that had fallen down upon its roofs.*1
He exclaimed,
"How shall Allah bring back to life this township
that has become dead?" *2

At this Allah caused him to die
and he lay dead for a hundred years.
Then Allah brought him back to life and asked him,
"How long have you lain here?"

He answered.
"I might have lain here for a day or a few hours."

Allah said,
"Nay, you have been lying here in this state
for a hundred years:
now, just have a look at your food and your drink;
they have not become spoiled in the least.
Then have a look at your ***,
(and see that his very bones have become rotten)
and We have done this
in order to make you a Sign for the people.*3
Look, how We raise up the skeleton
and set the bones (of the ***) and cover them with flesh
and (put breath of life into them)."

And when the Reality became manifest to him,
he said,
"I know that Allah has power over everything."

(Surah-2 Al-Baqarah ~ Ayah-259)


Explanation:

*1-
It is irrelevant to ask who the person was and the place where this
incident occurred. The real purpose in mentioning this event is to show
how Allah showed light to the one who had chosen Allah as his protector
and supporter. As for determining the name of the person and the
locality, we neither possess the means to do so, nor is such an
endeavour in any way beneficial. What seems to be evident from the
statement that follows is that the person concerned must necessarily
have been a Prophet.

*2- This
question does not signify that the person concerned denied or
entertained any doubts regarding life after death. His enquiry merely
indicates his wish to have direct knowledge of reality, like the
Prophets of the past.



*3- The restoration of life to a
man considered to have died a hundred years ago was in itself
sufficient to make him, for his contemporaries, a living testimony.











URL
for Slide:

http://group.quranurdu.com/Quran/1384.jpg

Or, (did you not see) the example of the one who passed
through a town collapsed on its roofs. He said: "How
shall Allah revive this after it is dead?" So, Allah made
him dead for a hundred years, then raised him saying:
Wow long did you remain (in this state)?" He said: "I
remained (like this) for a day or part of a day". Said
He: '!Rather, you remained (thus) for a hundred years.
Just look at your food and your drink; neither has
spoiled. And look at your donkey. And (We did like) this
to make you a sign for people -- and look at the bones
how We raise them, then dress them with flesh." So,
when it was clear to him, he said: 9 know that Allah is
Powerful over everything." (Verse 259)

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MQ/English-MaarifulQuran-MuftiShafiUsmaniRA-Vol-1-Page-638-688.pdf

Now on this one the person translating it uses the word infidel in the explanation of the meaning of the verse.

al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:259

‏2:259 او كالذي مر على قرية وهي خاوية على عروشها قال انى يحيي هذه الله بعد موتها فاماته الله مئة عام ثم بعثه قال كم لبثت قال لبثت يوما او بعض يوم قال بل لبثت مئة عام فانظر الى طعامك وشرابك لم يتسنه وانظر الى حمارك ولنجعلك اية للناس وانظر الى العظام كيف ننشزها ثم نكسوها لحما فلما تبين له قال اعلم ان الله على كل شئ قدير

Transliteration Aw kaallathee marra AAala qaryatin wahiya khawiyatun AAala AAurooshiha qala anna yuhyee hathihi Allahu baAAda mawtiha faamatahu Allahu mi-ata AAamin thumma baAAathahu qala kam labithta qala labithtu yawman aw baAAda yawmin qala bal labithta mi-ata AAamin faonthur ila taAAamika washarabika lam yatasannah waonthur ila himarika walinajAAalaka ayatan lilnnasi waonthur ila alAAithami kayfa nunshizuha thumma naksooha lahman falamma tabayyana lahu qala aAAlamu anna Allaha AAala kulli shay-in qadeerun

Literal Or like who passed on (by a) village/urban city and it is destroyed/empty on its ceilings/structures .He Said: "How God revives/makes alive this, after its death/ lifelessness?" So God made him die one hundred years, then He revived/resurrected him . He said: "How many/much did you stay/wait/remain?" He said: "I stayed/waited/remained a day or some/part (of) a day." He said: "Yes/but, you stayed/waited/remained one hundred years, so look to your food and your drink, (it) did not change/rot , and look to your donkey and to make/put/manipulate you (E) (as) a sign/evidence to the people, and look to the bones, how We raise and assemble it over each other then We dress/clothe (cover it with) flesh/meat." So when (it) was clarified/explained to him, he said: "I know that God (is) on every thing powerful/capable ."

Yusuf Ali Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."

Pickthal Or (bethink thee of) the like of him who, passing by a township which had fallen into utter ruin, exclaimed: How shall Allah give this township life after its death? And Allah made him die a hundred years, then brought him back to life. He said: How long hast thou tarried? (The man) said: I have tarried a day or part of a day. (He) said: Nay, but thou hast tarried for a hundred years. Just look at thy food and drink which have not rotted! Look at thine ***! And, that We may make thee a token unto mankind, look at the bones, how We adjust them and then cover them with flesh! And when (the matter) became clear unto him, he said: I know now that Allah is Able to do all things.

Arberry Or such as he who passed by a city that was fallen down upon its turrets; he said, 'How shall God give life to this now it is dead?' So God made him die a hundred years, then He raised him up, saying, 'How long hast thou tarried?' He said, 'I have tarried a day, or part of a day.' Said He, 'Nay; thou hast tarried a hundred years. Look at thy food and drink -- it has not spoiled; and look at thy ***. So We would make thee a sign for the people. And look at the bones; how We shall set them up, and then clothe them with flesh.' So, when it was made clear to him, he said, 'I know that God is powerful over everything.'

Shakir Or the like of him (Uzair) who passed by a town, and it had fallen down upon its roofs; he said: When will Allah give it life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him to life. He said: How long have you tarried? He said: I have tarried a day, or a part of a day. Said He: Nay! you have tarried a hundred years; then look at your food and drink-- years have not passed over it; and look at your ***; and that We may make you a sign to men, and look at the bones, how We set them together, then clothed them with flesh; so when it became clear to him, he said: I know that Allah has power over all things.

Sarwar (Or have you heard) of the one who, on passing through an empty and ruined town, said, "When will God bring it to life?" God caused him to die and brought him back to life after a hundred years and then asked him, "How long have you been here?" He replied, "One day or part of a day." The Lord said, "No, you have been here for one hundred years. Look at your food and drink. They have not yet decayed. But look at your donkey and its bones. To make your case evidence (of the Truth) for the people, see how we bring the bones together and cover them with flesh." When he learned the whole story, he said, "Now I know that God has power over all things."

Khalifa Consider the one who passed by a ghost town and wondered, "How can GOD revive this after it had died?" GOD then put him to death for a hundred years, then resurrected him. He said, "How long have you stayed here?" He said, "I have been here a day, or part of the day." He said, "No! You have been here a hundred years. Yet, look at your food and drink; they did not spoil. Look at your donkey - we thus render you a lesson for the people. Now, note how we construct the bones, then cover them with flesh." When he realized what had happened, he said, "Now I know that GOD is Omnipotent."

Hilali/Khan Or like the one who passed by a town and it had tumbled over its roofs. He said: "Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?" So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long did you remain (dead)?" He (the man) said: "(Perhaps) I remained (dead) a day or part of a day". He said: "Nay, you have remained (dead) for a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no change; and look at your donkey! And thus We have made of you a sign for the people. Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh". When this was clearly shown to him, he said, "I know (now) that Allah is Able to do all things."

H/K/Saheeh Or [consider such an example] as the one who passed by a township which had fallen into ruin. He said, "How will Allah bring this to life after its death?" So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years; then He revived him. He said, "How long have you remained?" The man said, "I have remained a day or part of a day." He said, "Rather, you have remained one hundred years. Look at your food and your drink; it has not changed with time. And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones [of this donkey] how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh." And when it became clear to him, he said, "I know that Allah is over all things competent."

Malik Or take another example of the one (Prophet Ezra) who passed by a town which had fallen down upon its roofs. He exclaimed: "How can Allah bring this dead township back to life?" Thereupon Allah caused him to die, and after one hundred years brought him back to life. Allah asked: "How long did you remain here?" Ezra replied: "Perhaps a day or part of a day." Allah said: "Nay! You have remained here for one hundred years: now just have a look at your food and drink; they are not rotten; and then look at your donkey and see that his very bones have decayed. We have done this to make you a Sign for mankind. Look at the bones of your donkey how We bring them together then clothe them with flesh and bring him back to life! When this all was shown clearly to him he said: "Now I know that Allah has power over everything."[259]

QXP . The similitude of this history is that someone passes by the ruins of a town and wonders if that town could ever come back to life again, and Allah causes him to die for a hundred years and then revives him. He thinks it was only a matter of a day or a part of it. He even finds his food, drink, and donkey standing beside him. Allah creates you in the wombs of your mothers, in bone and flesh. And when the matter became clear to him, he said, "I know now that Allah is Able to do all things."

Maulana Ali Or like him who passed by a town, and it had fallen in upon its roofs. He said: When will Allah give it life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him. He said: How long hast thou tarried? He said: I have tarried a day, or part of a day. He said: Nay, thou has tarried a hundred years; but look at thy food and drink -- years have not passed over it! And look at thy ***! And that We may make thee a sign to men. And look at the bones, how We set them together then clothe them with flesh. So when it became clear to him, he said: I know that Allah is Possessor of power over all things.

Free Minds Or the one who passed through a town, where all its inhabitants had passed away. He said: "How can God possibly resurrect this after its death?" So God put him to death for one hundred calendar years, then He resurrected him. He said: "How long have you stayed here?" He said: "I have stayed here a day or part of a day." He said: "No, you have stayed here for one hundred calendar years! Look at your food and drink, they have not changed, but look at your mule; and We will make you a sign for the people; and look at the bones how We grow them, then We cover them with flesh." So when it was clear to him what happened, he said: "I now know that God is capable of all things!"

Qaribullah Or of him, who, when passing by the ruined village that was fallen on its roofs, remarked: 'How can Allah give life to this after its death? ' Thereupon Allah caused him to die, and after a hundred years He revived him. He asked: 'How long have you remained? ' 'A day, ' he replied, 'or part of a day. ' Allah said: 'Rather, you have remained a hundred years. Look at your food and drink; they have not rotted. And look at your donkey (that had died). We will make you a sign to the people. And look at the bones (of your donkey) how We shall revive them and clothe them with flesh. ' And when it had all become clear to him, he said: 'I know that Allah has power over all things. '

George Sale Or hast thou not considered how he behaved who passed by a city which had been destroyed, even to her foundations? He said, how shall God quicken this city, after she hath been dead? And God caused him to die for an hundred years, and afterwards raised him to life. And God said, how long hast thou tarried here? He answered, a day, or part of a day. God said, nay, thou hast tarried here an hundred years. Now look on thy food and thy drink, they are not yet corrupted; and look on thine ***: And this have we done that we might make thee a sign unto men. And look on the bones of thine ***, how we raise them, and afterwards cloath them with flesh. And when this was shewn unto him, he said, I know that God is able to do all things.

JM Rodwell Or how he demeaned him who passed by a city which had been laid in ruins. "How," said he, "shall God give life to this city, after she hath been dead?" And God caused him to die for an hundred years, and then raised him to life. And God said, "How long has

Asad Or [art thou, O man, of the same mind] as he who passed by a town deserted by its people, with its roofs caved in, [and] said, "How could God bring all this back to life after its death?" Thereupon God caused him to be dead for a hundred years; whereafter He brought him back to life [and] said: "How long hast thou remained thus?" He answered: "I have remained thus a day, or part of a day." Said [God]: "Nay, but thou hast remained thus for a hundred years! But look at thy food and thy drink - untouched is it by the passing of years - and look at thine ***! And [We did all this] so that We might make thee a symbol unto men. And look at the bones [of animals and men] - how We put them together and then clothe them with flesh!" And when [all this] became clear to him, he said: "I know [now] that God has the power to will anything!"


Here is all translations of the verse

http://www.internetmosque.net/read/english_translation_of_the_quran_meaning/2/259/index.htm

I am tired now but there are lots more websites to quote.

I have yet to come up with the false one that was quoted by Moe.

So I don't know where that came from but it was probably one of those Islam hating sites that posts lies.

Actually I talked to a fellow canadian soldier about a month ago who had served in Afghanistan. and you are correct in what you say about Al quida. The numbers have dwindled vastly.

You don't know the Bible.

God NEVER said to kill those that don't follow him.

I know what you are talking about but that was never the case.

He told His people who, where and when to fight. Sometimes it was for land, sometimes it was for defense and others it was to expand the kingdom. But He never said, "God fight this enemy because they don't believe as you do, therefore I want them dead."

Thank you, Navygirl. The other thing that is meaningful to me is that the jihadist movement will almost completely dissolve once Pakistan ceases its support of the Taliban. The operation against Bin Laden has pushed things to a head between America and Pakistan. It could go very badly from here, or very well. I am very optimistic.

Dragoness,

I am not sure why I am trying to argue with you.

Your mind is already made up that Islam is really a peace loving religion and Christianity is demanding and abusive.

I know you will say that the "radical" Muslims or "terrorist" or as I call them "true believers" are just going overboard with their faith and not really following it.

I really don't want you to take my word for it but to research it. But you say you already have and have bought into the public line of Islam of a peaceful misunderstood religion.

Tell me why there is always fighting in Muslim countries if they are so peaceful and loving.

Tell me why it is honorable to kill your children because they disgraced you.

Tell me why it is glorious to blow yourself up in name of your religion.

Then after you tell me that, tell me again how this is a peace loving religion.

I choose to be optimistic and wishing my American neighbors the best.

You need to read your bible again. Reading every word in context.

You also need to study your bloody Christian past.

Christianity's Violent Past

Jun 16, 2010
Michael Streich

Hundreds Died in Paris in 1572 - Mike Streich Image
Hundreds Died in Paris in 1572 - Mike Streich Image

The violent history of Christianity can be measured by two-thousand years of religious wars, crusades, bloody conquest, and intolerance of other beliefs.

The two thousand year history of Christianity is repeatedly marked by violence and bloodshed, often on a large scale. Although the religion’s founder, Jesus of Nazareth, preached peace and told the Roman Governor Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world…,” the later beliefs and actions of Christians often sought to destroy kingdoms and replace them with their own.

This was true when the first Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, it was true during the European post-Reformation wars of religion, and it was true of men like Columbus, Cortes, and Pizarro. Killing in the name of Christ, at least on a grand scale, slowed with the coming of the Enlightenment and secular reasoning.
The Christian Crusades against the Muslims and Heretics

The capture of Jerusalem was recorded by Fulcher of Chartres. After the Crusaders entered the city, a great bloodletting began: “On the top of Solomon’s Temple, to which they had climbed in fleeing, many were shot to death with arrows and cast down headlong from the roof. Within this Temple about ten thousand were beheaded.”
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Another kind of Crusade was carried out under Pope Innocent III in 1209 in southern France against the Cathari. This “Albigensian Crusade” resulted in the extermination of thousands of men, women, and children. When the crusaders besieged Beziers, there was some concern that good Catholics should be spared. The papal legate, representing Rome, however, replied, “Kill all! Kill all, for God will know his own.”
The Post-Reformation Wars of Religion

The century after Martin Luther’s death witnessed unprecedented violence between Catholics and Protestants, culminating in the devastating Thirty Years’ War. In Bohemia, Protestants were all but eliminated and those that survived went into hiding, later to form the Moravian Church. In the Netherlands, Dutch Calvinists were slaughtered by the orders of Spain’s Philip II whose sincere desire was to root out all Protestantism.

The St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre in France in 1572 represented wide scale slaughter. Writing about those events in Paris, Mack P. Holt details the example of Francoise Lussault: “They then took her and dragged her by the hair…She was then impaled on a spit and dragged through the streets…before she was eventually dumped into the Seine.” Another Huguenot woman about to give birth “…was stabbed in the abdomen and then hurled into the street below, as her nearly-born infant, with its head already protruding from its mother’s corpse, eventually died in the gutter.”
Read on

Core Beliefs of Islam in the Five Pillars of Faith
Islam and Christianity Share Beliefs Leading to Ethical Living
The 500 Year Demonization of the Jews

Conquest of the Americas

From the very first contact with Europeans in what would be called New Spain, Native Americans were compelled to become Christians or face death. Historian Howard Zinn, in his People’s History of the United States, cites examples from Columbus to Cotton Mather in Puritan New England. Native beliefs were forced underground but were never entirely eradicated.

In New Mexico the 1680 Pueblo Revolt represented a violent dissatisfaction with a local government closely tied to the Catholic Church in its operations. Historian Alan Taylor states that, “The Pueblo Revolt of 1680 was the greatest setback that natives ever inflicted on European expansion in North America.” Although Spanish reprisals ended the revolt and the Pueblo accepted the rites of Catholicism, they continued their own traditional practices in secret.

In New England, Puritan leaders had no moral qualms in exterminating neighboring Native Americans. Puritans believed that these native peoples were already damned to hell and that the Old Testament promises given to God’s chosen were their own. Thus, God blessed their actions in taking native land.
Other Historical Examples of Violent Christianity

The history of the Christian Church is full of bloody examples of violence. Historians still debate how many hundreds of thousands of women lost their lives during the witch hunts. Protestant violence against Irish Catholics persisted for centuries and in Northern Ireland violent clashes were still common in the last decade. On June 15, 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron apologized for the shooting of 13 Catholics protesting in Londonderry, Northern Ireland in 1972.

Religions often breed the seed of violence when adherents depart from the original messages of peace, love, and brotherhood. Christianity, in this respect, is no different. Resurgent fanaticism and intolerance should never be equated with the ethical nature almost all world religions were founded upon. In this regard, reformation and renewal have, in the course of history, attempted to realign misguided interpretations with foundational truths.

Brian Tierney, The Middle Ages: Volume I, Sources of Medieval History (McGraw-Hill, Inc., 1992)
Brian Tierney and Sidney Painter, Western Europe in the Middle Ages 300-1475, 5th Edition (McGraw-Hill, Inc., 1992)
Mack P. Holt, The French Wars of Religion, 1562-1629 (Cambridge University Press, 1997)
Alan Taylor, American Colonies (Viking, 2001)


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Actually you have me all wrong.

Neither religion is on my good side.

They are the same.

The only difference is that they use different words and some slightly different ways of doing the same thing.

Christianity has slowed it "roll" lately some but it is fully capable of the same crimes of extremism that Islam has problems with. We just haven't had an abortion clinic bombing lately or a serial killer who claims to talk to the Christian god, etc... but they are stewing out there somewhere and will strike yet again. These major religions breed these fanatics because of the ideology of the religion and the effect of it on certain minds.

Great,


Ignore everything I just said. Ignore what is happening in the Middle East today. Ignore what Christians are doing today. Ignore what Muslims have done since the inception of their religion.

Just look at what some Christians have done a long long time ago and pass judgment on Christianity today based on that and forgive what Muslims are doing today as an abortion of their faith.

Truly, Christianity is much more dangerous today than Islam despite the fact that there are Muslims today killing in the name of their religion and lets see, how many Christians are doing that again? I forget.

My God, keep your head buried in the sand. If you do, eventually you will have to acknowledge what I am saying is true when you are being told you must follow Islamic law as that is now the law of the land.

I tried to tell you what is the reality of our world. Don't know why you refuse to see it.

So as long as he's not telling one to kill those that don't follow him, every other time is ok?

Can a God of love be a God of war?

Considering that the extremists are the problems with the Islamic communities, there are more than one type of them.

Considering that Christianity breeds them too.

There is no reason for my head to be in the sand.

To be fair we should eliminate those two religions from the world and let some of the others see if they can do any better.

You can't help me with your mind all diluted with your Christianity stuff anyway, your mind is not clear of religious bias to be able to help anyone.

Huh????

How does religious bias have anything to do with factual information???

Are you saying that there are no suicide bombers blowing themselves up in the name of Islam because I am Christian????

Because you are Christian you cannot be unChristian about anything in life period so you are tainted when it comes to objectivity, sorry.