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in life there are no guarantees, but there are probabilites IF you work hard in life YOU might become successful, but its not guaranteed,, however, its more probable than if you do nothing If you seek ur creator, you may find him, but its not guaranteed,,,,however, its more probable than if you turn away from him Why would anyone need to see their creator anyway? Better question, who would want to see a creator that excludes certain people? A supposedly all loving creator. I don't think I would if I knew he was allowing others to burn and suffer while I was with him. Well, no one said you are required to see Him. Ah now we come back to that, we're not required. Oh that totally justifies an all loving God allowing countless souls to burn, and be tortured and suffer for all eternity right. I think NOT. It is called Free Will. Same deal as freedom in our country. You are free to do or believe anything you want. but you will have consequences for your behaviors. All I am saying is everything has consequences. Both in this world and the next. It's hardly free will when you're being held to the proverbial fire, or at least death if you don't do it. That's like the relationship where you're told you can leave, but you'll be beaten senseless if you do. This is no different. Free will does not mesh with threats. Never has, never will. threats and reality arent the same,, If I say you can walk to the left or the right, and if you walk to the left a train will hit you thats not a threat, thats me trying to WARN you, but if you dont believe me and walk to the left, that was indeed your CHOICE,,, No it IS a threat, your God says you either do as I say, believe as I say, or you die. You may have been conditioned to think this is all in love, but it's not the case. and if there were no God, what would be your option at the end of this life? DEATH so its not a threat, its reality,, you can die or have everlasting life,,those are the two choices he gives US to make No it's MAN's choices, to keep us obedient to them. It's nothing from a loving God, in the least. I do believe very much in a God, a creator, whatever you wish to call it, for the record. But the Biblical version is not Him. I suppose its more of how you live your life than what kind of God you 'think' he is,,, It's more a common sense thing to me, I see things clearer now than I ever did before. It's easy to see of course on the outside, harder to see when you're in it. |
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It is called Free Will. Same deal as freedom in our country. You are free to do or believe anything you want. but you will have consequences for your behaviors. All I am saying is everything has consequences. Both in this world and the next. It's hardly free will when you're being held to the proverbial fire, or at least death if you don't do it. That's like the relationship where you're told you can leave, but you'll be beaten senseless if you do. This is no different. Free will does not mesh with threats. Never has, never will. There is no threat involved in Free Will. God essentially is saying, "Here I am, come to Me and I will give you rest." He is not forcing you to. Forcing you to come to Him would not be love. It may as well be, it's spiritual rape. It's NOT love when you are told, do as I say or die. I don't care how much you wanna say it is, it's still not. |
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,,
but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs |
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. thats not true. Given the option everyone might want a million dollars, but everyone might not want it if you had to put WORK into getting it there is some EFFORT required , some show of love and respect required, to receive the gift of everlasting life it doesnt come unconditionally the way love does, anymore than my children unconditionally get gifts just because I love them unconditionally everyone doesnt want to have to do anything but what they WANT , regardless of what GOD wants, and still want GOD to 'gift' them all equally for those choices,,, do you think that if one child makes no effort in school and flunks and the other works their behind off to get As, Im going to give them both EQUAL gifts? its not gonna happen, and it shouldnt, if God is JUST,,, |
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. You have been making all these claims about what the "Biblical God" is does and demands. You yourself stated you reject the Bible outright. You are continually misstating what God is to Christians and claiming it to be true in the Bible which you refuse to read. Why do you doubt the people that have read it and understand the nature of God when you admit you don't know the truth here? |
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. You have been making all these claims about what the "Biblical God" is does and demands. You yourself stated you reject the Bible outright. You are continually misstating what God is to Christians and claiming it to be true in the Bible which you refuse to read. Why do you doubt the people that have read it and understand the nature of God when you admit you don't know the truth here? No I KNOW the Bible enough to know it is utter BS. If I didn't, I'd have no reason to reject it. That you can't see it, well that isn't my problem. I can't do anything about that. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 05/05/11 03:16 AM
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perception, its an amazing thing
one female could be abused their whole life from a man and think that is how life is suppsed to be and men who are 'kind' are obviously suckers another could be abused their whole life from a man and think that its bs and shouldnt happen and vow to never be with that type of man that first female could meet a wonderful man and pass him by because he doesnt quite reinforce what she already believes a man should be the latter female could meet a wonderful man and fall head over hills because he affirms what she vowed would be true the bible is read by all types of people, and all of their experiences/perceptions so different as to come away affirming or refuting what it is they interpret it to say,,, my experiences cause in me a perception that easily reaffirms what I interpret from the bible in a way that allows me to make sense of it when I truly 'study' it others experiences cause in them a perception that easily refutes what they interpret from the bible in a way that allows them to see absolutely no 'logic' in it its truly interesting we could start a whole other thread on the topic, but its getting late and my eyes are heavy,,,, |
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"One day Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" ................ Ok....the point in sharing the above scripture , is this: IF you take ANY scripture out of context, it will NOT make Sense!! You have to consider the WHOLE picture....not just part. To begin with , NO ONE knows ALL of the bible . One could study the bible for years and years and years , and still barely scratch the surface. The depths and riches of the bible are THAT DEEP!!! That is why we need the Holy Spirit to be our teacher. Not man. BUT, that doesn't mean you can't GET STARTED reading and knowing the Bible RIGHT NOW . But in order to get started knowing and understanding the bible, first YA GOTTA OPEN THE BOOK AND READ!! FOR YOURSELF.  And LISTEN to God's Word...with YOUR HEART. Just listen....and read.....listen ...and read.... and God Will do the rest. NO ONE comes to the Father anyway,except the Father draws one unto Him. And yes ,God WILL woooo you unto him..... when he sees you are REALLY ready to hear. JUST BECAUSE one does NOT believe today, doesn't mean his heart won't be ready to believe and recieve God tomorrow. God is a God of LOVE...and wishes that NONE should perish. He is ever patient. Here is a Suggestion: Go to the Word. To begin with: Go to the book of JOHN... begin reading there .. BUT read with a childlike, searching , sincere, wanting to know heart. Have a little talk with Jesus...yea..... come to him just as you are.....just be real..... cause , just in case you didn't know this, God does NOT want robots are blind followers with NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHO HE IS!!!!! Ask GOD to SHOW you the Truth.. ask GOD to make the Truth CLEAR to you..... and He will. I Promise You..He Will. Love You All.  So Does God. http://www.inchristalone.org/HowGetFaith.htm Always your posts. You have a very sweet and easy way to explain very difficult concepts.
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perception, its an amazing thing one female could be abused their whole life from a man and think that is how life is suppsed to be and men who are 'kind' are obviously suckers another could be abused their whole life from a man and think that its bs and shouldnt happen and vow to never be with that type of man that first female could meet a wonderful man and pass him by because he doesnt quite reinforce what she already believes a man should be the latter female could meet a wonderful man and fall head over hills because he affirms what she vowed would be true the bible is read by all types of people, and all of their experiences/perceptions so different as to come away affirming or refuting what it is they interpret it to say,,, my experiences cause in me a perception that easily reaffirms what I interpret from the bible in a way that allows me to make sense of it when I truly 'study' it others experiences cause in them a perception that easily refutes what they interpret from the bible in a way that allows them to see absolutely no 'logic' in it its truly interesting we could start a whole other thread on the topic, but its getting late and my eyes are heavy,,,, Good night - Sleep well. 
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. You have been making all these claims about what the "Biblical God" is does and demands. You yourself stated you reject the Bible outright. You are continually misstating what God is to Christians and claiming it to be true in the Bible which you refuse to read. Why do you doubt the people that have read it and understand the nature of God when you admit you don't know the truth here? No I KNOW the Bible enough to know it is utter BS. If I didn't, I'd have no reason to reject it. That you can't see it, well that isn't my problem. I can't do anything about that. Okey --- How much of the bible do you need to know to declare the entire thing BS??? How much did you actually read and how much did you just accept from what other people have said? Because your understanding of God is vastly different from mine and apparently we read the same material. |
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. You have been making all these claims about what the "Biblical God" is does and demands. You yourself stated you reject the Bible outright. You are continually misstating what God is to Christians and claiming it to be true in the Bible which you refuse to read. Why do you doubt the people that have read it and understand the nature of God when you admit you don't know the truth here? No I KNOW the Bible enough to know it is utter BS. If I didn't, I'd have no reason to reject it. That you can't see it, well that isn't my problem. I can't do anything about that. Okey --- How much of the bible do you need to know to declare the entire thing BS??? How much did you actually read and how much did you just accept from what other people have said? Because your understanding of God is vastly different from mine and apparently we read the same material. I know enough of it, I would like to add though there is SOME truth in it, and in all religions and such books. There would have to be for it to be palatable to the masses. But NONE are entirely true, nor are any of them without lies and falsehoods. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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((((((Kleisto)))))
((((((Mylifetoday)))))) (((((((MsHarmony}}}}}} ((((Everyone else)))))))  Love You All...So Does God. Nite Nite Now!!!
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Heaven is what you believe to be true. For each it is granted if they truly believe in it. It is healthy to believe in good things as opposed to negativity.
So if you think heaven is white clouds, sunshines, and floating angels....then so be it. If you believe it is lush green gardens, beer, and beautiful naked people.....then so be it. If you believe it is sitting on a trillion dollars with the most advanced electronic devices at your service...so be it. You decide.:) |
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I want some of that stuff greeneyeman has been smoking.
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death is a reality of our life,, what is offered is a choice for everlasting life,,, but I guess its all in perception and few people change theirs Given the option, everyone would want it. The problem is, you got this dictator like God, so people reject it and rightly so. Really I think religion is why so many become atheists, they think this is who God is, so why should they believe? They're never told that God doesn't have to be and in fact isn't what they have been told. You have been making all these claims about what the "Biblical God" is does and demands. You yourself stated you reject the Bible outright. You are continually misstating what God is to Christians and claiming it to be true in the Bible which you refuse to read. Why do you doubt the people that have read it and understand the nature of God when you admit you don't know the truth here? No I KNOW the Bible enough to know it is utter BS. If I didn't, I'd have no reason to reject it. That you can't see it, well that isn't my problem. I can't do anything about that. I know the bible very little. Enough to know that the bible is NOT BS it contains a filter of dust and sand generated by the tools of man. "I do believe very much in a God, a creator, whatever you wish to call it, for the record. But the Biblical version is not Him.(thank you)". you have a point. Yet contained within the sands is a Gem of Brilliance... For the bible is containd within by the essence of God. When read with a pure heart. God is present. |
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God explaining heaven to men is like a man trying to teach algebra to an ant.
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God explaining heaven to men is like a man trying to teach algebra to an ant. Well I wasn't asking God, I was asking people. Or are you God? |
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God explaining heaven to men is like a man trying to teach algebra to an ant. Well I wasn't asking God, I was asking people. Or are you God? Jean, you are gonna have to work with me here. Follow the bread crumbs... If God can't tell men what heaven is like, because we are incapable of understanding it, then why would anyone have any idea what heaven is like? Nobody can answer your question with anything better than a wild guess based purely on personal bias and beliefs. |
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God explaining heaven to men is like a man trying to teach algebra to an ant. Well I wasn't asking God, I was asking people. Or are you God? Heaven is within each of us if you will allow it. It is like a treasure seeker who when he searches everywhere and then finally finds it. he is overjoyed with the new Pearls of his life.. Blessings..Miles |
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