You just used Scriptures to demonstrate why Cowboy can't possibly know what heaven will be like.

"no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"

So clearly Cowboy is deluding himself to think that he can conceive what heaven will be like.

He not only believes that he can conceive it, but he even goes around "preaching" what it will be like to other people as though he is some sort of authority on knowing for sure what he's talking about.

But here we have the scriptures themselves stating that this is not even possible.

noone has definitive knowledge to say

but we do have minds to imagine based upon OTHER descriptions in the bible and jeannie asked what excites people about going

I dont know if Cowboy is preaching something he believes as an absolute or if he is sharing what he imagines to be true,,,

Cowboy is just repeating what has been drummed into his head since probably his childhood.

He's barely 24 years old now. A babe in the woods. He knows not about anything he says in my opinion.

I think that as above, so below.

If a heaven exists for Christians it exists in the astral worlds and has been created by the very minds of the Christians who imagine a perfect life there.

Robert Monroe claims in his out of body travels that all the heavens exist on the astral plane and that every different faith has their own heaven. The American Indians have a happy hunting ground. etc.

He says that these heavens exist on what he calls level 26. On Level 27 he says there is a huge library. He says that when all of these worlds pass away, the souls will be brought up into the higher realms.

He wrote three books about Journeys out of the Body.

I know I can't know now what heaven will be like. I could never contemplate how great it truly will be. I can only give a little itty bit of some of the things that have been shared with us about heaven. But to the full extent, I could never father just how great it is in heaven. So it would be you that's deluding yourself into thinking I know what it'll be like in heaven. Again, why so much with insults? Why so much with belittling other people's beliefs?

Okay then, we have heard enough about you beliefs Cowboy. Now lets discuss my beliefs.

The creators of this world and this reality are us. We create reality with our thoughts.

There are three Universal laws, and only three. The first, and most important is the law of attraction. The law of attraction is the same as the hermetic law of vibration. It states "That which is like unto itself is drawn."

The second Universal law is the Science of Deliberate Creation. This law states: "That which I give thought to and that which I believe or expect, is."

The third Universal law is the Art of Allowing. It says, "I am that which I am and I am willing to allow all others to be that which they are."

Those are the only Universal laws.
All other laws, like gravity, time, space etc. are not universal laws, they are agreements.

We live in a thought created universe, and we create it with our thoughts.

Very interesting :)

I should read his books because I had a vivid vision of "heaven" or the "astral world" in a dream one night, and I too was made aware of the infinite library of which Monroe speaks.

He wrote three books. I've read two of them. They are very interesting. I have not read the third one yet. It just has not called to me, but I have it..

i feel that heaven will be everything you want it to be. no sorrow, no pain, and no suffering. you know just about the oppsite from life here on earth.

If you understood and knew how to use the universal law of attraction, your experience here on earth could be everything you want it to be. No sorrow, no pain, no suffering. Only the enjoyment of the things you create and want.

But can't that ultimately be dependent upon what a person actually "wants"?

If they want other people to not behave in certain ways they may not be able to get what they "want".

If they want other people to not die, they may not be able to get what they want.

If they are sick and elderly and what they "want" is to be young and healthy again, they may not be able to get what they want.

What if they lost a limb and what they "want" is to grow it back?

What then?

since neither a spiritual world nor a physical world existed before creation then wouldn't Heaven just be another reality that God had conjured up ...why would a spiritual reality be any more truth than a physical reality ... would not Heaven simply be another illusion created by a God playing mind tricks

This is why it is important to learn to create what you want instead of attracting and creating what you don't want. Most people don't know or understand why the get what they get.

No matter where you are, you can change your experience, but it is more difficult to uncreate something than it is to create it.

I said:
If you understood and knew how to use the universal law of attraction, your experience here on earth could be everything you want it to be.

The person who has lost a limb did not understand the law of attraction and did not know how to use it. That is why they lost the limb in the first place.

They may not be able to grow it back, but they may be able to get it reattached or get a artificial limb. In the future, we may be able to grow the limb in the lab from DNA and attach it.

so there was no universe before there was life that could think about it?

Thought came before the physical universe.

Contrary to what scientists think, there is a non-physical universe. They can't see it, so they don't believe it.

just one more thing that cannot be known.

Not true.

Well, that sounds good on the surface.

But then how do you explain people who are born with serious birth defects?

Did they bring that defect with them from a past life karma?

What about inseparable twins that have two heads but basically one body, etc?

How does the Law of Attraction deal with those kinds of issues?

So who's thinking up birth defects?

I can understand the scientific plausibility of how a thought created universe can work. Especially in light of Quantum Theory which indeed does seem to run on it's own "thought-process".

But when it comes to things like deformed babies, inseparable twins, etc, that's when I have serious problems with the whole thing. If the universe is being created by thought, then who's thinking up all these seemingly unpleasant things.

This seems to deny both a thought-created universe, as well as "God Created" universe. What kind of a God would create things such a birth defects and inseparable twins etc?

Of all the reasons to become an atheists I think this is probably the most profound of them all. No science required. Just ask, who would intentionally and knowingly create these seemingly horrific situations?

Atheism comes running to the rescue, "No one created them intentionally. The whole universe is an unintentional accident and that explains everything, except how it came to be in the first place. But even if there exists an eternal spirit that still would have no explanation. So why not jut let the buck stop here and let's just face the fact that we're nothing but some sort of weird accident?"

People do not intentionally or knowingly create unwanted things.

Most people are not aware of the law and they are creating their lives by default. That is, they don't do it intentionally. They don't understand the vibrations they are putting forth. (Or receiving)

Thoughts are transfered telepathically. A child or even a fetus can pick up thoughts from the parents. Animals can pick up thoughts and intentions from each other and from humans. That is the sixth sense.

I have experienced negative thoughts from large crowds of people. I can't go to a large populated airport or a football stadium without feeling extremely ill.