I guess that's a plausible theory.

Christians would have no problem with that because that's basically their defense for claiming that God is not responsible for these things. They basically claim that's it's own own downfall from "grace" that causes, it.

So in it's most abstract sense this could be the same ideal.

The only difference is that a "fall from grace" is deemed to be an intentional choice, whereas ignorance of the law of attraction usually isn't a choice, it's just due to lack of good mentoring and education in the first place.

Lately I've been thinking about the "law of attraction" or simply the "Law of Karma" which I see as basically being the same thing.

One problem is that that once you've attracted a lot of things into your life, what you need to do is then start consciously changing your behavior in order to 'undo' all of the "karma" that have preciously created. In the case of the "Law of Attraction" you need to start getting 'rid' of previous things you've attracted into your life, and start moving forward to attract what you actually want.

But if you've already attracted a lot of undesirable things into your life, like a lot of debt let's say just to be concrete, then you need to basically 'pay off' that debt to get out from under that "karma" or negative thing that you had previously 'attracted'.

My point being that if you become wise to the "Law of Attraction" late in life, you could be stuck with having a lot of "un-attracting" to do because you can start attracting what you actually want.

Like you say, someone who has already "attracted" the loss of a limb, is going to have a hard time "un-attracting" the consequences of that previous attraction. In fact, they are basically going to need to accept that they have already "attracted" that and they're kind of stuck with it now. The best they can do now, is like you say, go for an artificial limb or whatever.

The other thing that we seem to "attract" whether we like it or not is "old age".

Someone who's nearing their 100th birthday in an old-age home isn't going to benefit much by learning of the Law of Attraction at that age, other than to be able to look back over their life and say, "Oh so that how I did that".

It would be really interesting to see what a society would be like where everyone was taught the law of attraction (or Karma) from a very young age, and truly understood it and believed in it.

Unfortunately it would be impossible to conduct such an experiment because that would require taking newly born children and raising them in a truly protected society where they were totally unaware of the outside world. And most people would deem such an experiment to be unethical.

I have pretty much been creating by default my whole life, even though I have --off and on -- played around with the law of attraction.

Recently I have put my full attention on it and I am letting it really soak in. I have reread "The Law of Attraction" By Esther and Jerry Hicks and I intend to read it again. Repeating the read will help to cement the principles into my mind.

Even though I have been "creating by default" most of the time, I have still faired better than most. I have consciously avoided losing a limb and I have stayed out of the hot sun most of my life. My biggest fault is eating the wrong foods and not really exercising much.

Physically I am in poor shape and I am putting together a mild exercise program for that.

The poverty consciousness that we learn from our parents is something that we have to change if we want to attract abundance in our lives. Things like saying "I can't afford that..." should not be said at all.

But put no attention on "getting rid" of unwanted things. Instead only put attention on things that you want.

I have a credit card debt I want and intend to pay off, but I am not focused on it. I simply hold the intention to pay it off and to pay more than the minimum balance when the money comes to me. Other than that, I don't put any attention on debt. Instead I put attention on what I can do to generate income and I say "I want money." Or "I want abundance." I don't even say "I want to pay off that debt.." because that puts attention on debt and not on abundance.

Absolutely! Re-reading it is a great idea. I've been doing the same things with some books I have on witchcraft and the Qabalah. In fact, I bought a really great series of a 6-volume set of books on witchcraft and I'm going through them for the third time now. These are quite extensive books and every time through them it just as inspirational as the first, plus I'm always picking up new insights from knowledge I've gained since I last read them.

And the affirmation meditations, rituals and incantations are really good to do repeatedly too. The more you do them the better off you are. They are all extremely positive incantations so nothing but good can come of it.



Me too. Although like you say, I'm not sure if it's truly been by 'default', I too have consciously chosen various paths that have indeed been quite positive for me in the long haul. For example, I used to smoke like a chimney, and I quit that about 15 years ago. Cold turkey, and I haven't returned to it since. I can't even imagine ever wanting to do that again. Puke!

I am so glad that I had made that decision 15 years ago.



I am too. Although I've really been lucky to have a body metabolism that will withstand extreme abuse and not seem to be affected by it. The way I've been eating and not exercising this winter I truly desire to be as huge as the Goodyear blimp. But all I have is a slightly roundy belly. Something I could knock off in no time if I really put my mind to it.

I keep telling myself that I'm going to start a chakra exercise program. I actually have a book for this that has really great exercises in it. I just keep procrastinating on getting started with it. I seem to have attracted a really STRONG desire to procrastinate on just about EVERYTHING. I really need to start attracting a more active lifestyle.



I grew up with that drummed into my head like there's no tomorrow.

We are POOR! Don't even THINK otherwise! You will NEVER be even remotely well-off, and if you think that you'll ever be "rich" you'll be laughed off the face of the planet!



I absolutely agree.



I have some credit card debt too, but I chose to do that and I'm not sorry I did. The interest rates are lower than I could get at any bank, and I'm really enjoying the stuff I went in debt to buy. I'm like REALLY ENJOYING THEM.

So it was a worthy debt, and I don't even mind paying the interest. It's worth it to have this stuff.

Just the same, I am aware of a need to try to knock it out ASAP, but I'm not anxious about it. It's not killing me to pay on it, and like I say, I'm really enjoying the things I obtained by going into that debt. So I'm cool with that decision.

The biggest thing I need to get over is PROCRASTINATION! I think I was BORN with that, it must be a birth defect.

Yes I absolutely have had the same procrastination problem. But in the reading of this book I learned how to overcome that.

It is done by spending time in your creative workshop where you give thought to what you intend and what you want until emotion and excitement takes hold of you and you are inspired and energized to take action. Once this takes hold, you can't stop yourself from doing what you need to do and you are joyful and excited in the doing of it.

They suggest that you should not trudge through your day forcing yourself to do things you do not want to do, that the time would be better spent thinking of the results and intending -- until you are very clear on what you want and what should be done to achieve that. Then the energy will come to you and you will be moved to do it.

I have experienced this and it is like your inner being takes hold of your body and uses it to do what is necessary. Even though you may be tired or in pain, you just keep going because you don't want to stop.

Another exercise to cause things to happen much quicker is what is called "The Magical Process of Segment intending." That is where you practice being conscious and stating your intent in many different segments during your day instead of just blundering through it blindly.

This practice does take a bit of discipline, but it will free up tons of time and cause everything you intend to go smoothly. You basically design your day segment by segment.

For me, heaven is when I have discovered what I want, and I have discovered and learned how to manifest it, and I am enjoying my creations.

There is joy in creating.

There is joy in creating. In fact, that's one of the most joyful things I know.

I have a few books on magick that speak about working in segments similar to what you've mentioned. And I have tried that before and it really does work. It's funny how we get started on these things and then get off track. I think ADHD plays a role in this too. I'm extremely easily distracted.

Well, my normal ambitions are extremely complex too. I'm currently practicing 10 different musical instruments just for fun. It's goes rather smoothly though because I'm basically learning the same music on all of them. So I just hop from one instrument to the next and play the same thing over and over again. It's not even boring at all because it's a totally different experience on each different instrument. It's also often improvised so it's not precisely the same thing. And of course when I move to the drums that's totally different altogether even though it's precisely the same music.

But music is only one of my many interests. But I confess that lately I've been spending almost all my time playing music.

I really want to get into doing painting and drawing, and the "hold up" there is the art room! It basically needs to be totally cleared out, cleaned up, and set up into a place where I can do my art and just walk away from it without having to put everything away all the time. The only way I'll ever really get into it is if I have a room dedicated to it that I can just walk into and pick up where I left off without having to unpack everything again.

That's basically how I'm doing my music right now. My living room looks like a music store and I don't care. It makes it easy to practice. That's where I spent most of my money.

Or I should say the bank's money.

I also study mathematics and I'd really like to write a book on mathematics, I need to set up a room for that too. I have enough rooms, I just need to get them cleared out and organized.

It would be nice to have a room dedicated to chakra exercises. But alas I've run out of rooms. Although the math lab could double as a chakra exercise room.

My kitchen needs remodeling too.

What I really need to do is just STOP everything and remodel my house, and then START all over again. If I would just focus on doing that alone I could probably finish that one little project in a month or two and live happily ever after.

I actually enjoy doing remodeling work so I could really get into enjoying that too.

See, I KNOW what needs to be done. But I just keep on playing music! I'm in a musical rut.

Although, it's been rainy here for weeks now. It's almost like the monsoons out there. I think I'm secretly waiting for the rains to stop so I can really open things up and do some serious remodeling.

Heavenly lawn tool.

Faith.

One simply says to the grass.

'be shorter'... and it is so.

yep thats heaven.

or you could release the goats.

I think there might be an easier way to think of what the kingdom of heaven is like ....

Think for a moment ... if you were God.

In a sense, we are God. We create our own experiences with our thoughts, actions and beliefs.

We create our surroundings. We mow our lawns, we clean our houses, we chose where to live and what we will do.

In my heaven, I have lawns, and fruit trees. Little deer keep the lawns mowed so I don't have to do it.

I just read my previous post in this thread and now I'm actually in the middle of remodeling my kitchen. That post was ten days ago.

I've also started to put a dent in the art room too.

So my 'heaven' is under construction.

But I still continue to play music on the side too.

Everyone goes to heaven, but how can one know what it's like if one has never been there?

what would be special about heaven if everyone went?

So you like the idea of heaven because when you get there, you will feel special that you got into that exclusive club?

Sounds a bit like snobbery to me.

Truly. That certainly doesn't sound like a good way of looking at it for sure!

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Not only that, but one of the things that I personally find rather disgusting about life on Earth is indeed the competitive nature of things.

We compete for education, we compete for jobs, we even compete to find a loving mate! In the most primal sense we compete for food and living space just like animals.

So if heaven is based on the same kind of "competitive ideology" as life on Earth is, then how is it going to be any different?

All it would be is more of the same extended eternally!

All of a sudden Atheism is looking pretty darn GOOD!

You really make me stop and think about this stuff Jeannie.

Is heaven really nothing more than an eternal glorified social club where all the capitalistic rules of competition and social snobbery remain in tact for eternity.

The only difference being that the ultimate fascist dictator will finally reveal himself instead of constantly playing hide-and-seek?

In other words, the Christian concept of God is nothing more than the concept of the ultimate capitalistic society enforced by a single fascist dictator that no political movement can possible dislodge from power?

We're supposed to be excited about that?

And if it's not based on competition and survival of the "fittest" or "most aggressive", then why are we being "trained" to live in such societies if they have absolutely NOTHING to do with what heaven would supposedly be like anyway?

What would be the point in "testing" people in a social environment that has nothing at all to do with the environment of the place that they are being "tested" for?

That makes no sense either.

So either heaven is just as screwed up as Earthly life, or the "testing grounds" are rather useless.

no, not at all, just reality

Im not being a snob, I just am cognizant of a certain action and consequence reality to existing

if all things lead to the EXACT Same consequence, that would certainly disrupt the point of a consequence in the first place,,wouldnt it?

If I could get in harvard with straight ds at the community college, than what would that do to the person who studied their behind off and got bs and as ?


IF I could have the same freedom to move about and enjoy life after robbing someone, as someone who had never committed any crimes


If I told my children that I would buy them ice cream if they cleaned the house and then one cleaned and one didnt but they both still got ice cream?


would that be a just system?

certainly, it is balanced for different situations and chains of action to lead to different ends?

not to mention , the manual itself is pretty clear,,that not ALL Will go

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


logically speaking, what are the odds that EVERY path is going to lead to the same destination?

Well every path leads to GOD because GOD is all that is.

But I think there are probably many different 'heavens.'

But the way the Christian faith believes-- is heaven is a "reward" if you do certain things or believe certain things or behave certain ways. That's just the way someone set that belief system up.

I don't think the Christian idea of Heaven is the end all of what is going on within the body of God. Its just a stop along the way.

The error here though is that you think the Bible speaks for God, how do you know that's true? A book can say anything it wants, it doesn't neccessarily make it right. Think outside of the book for a minute.

I did think outside the book,,when I said

speaking logically, how probable is it that EVERY path leads to the same destination?