Apparently you're still in denial that the Biblical God wasn't always the judge. In the Old Testament the Biblical God directed people to stone sinners to death. But God wasn't around to point out who the sinners were, so it was up to men to pass judgment on who was a sinner.

In fact, Hitler himself could have easily used the Christian Bible to support his holocaust against the Jews. In fact, I think he actually did precisely that.

The God of the Old Testament clearly instructed us to seek out and kill heathens. As you say, the judgment had already been made by God so this would not be 'murder' it would simply be carrying out the will and directive of the Biblical God.

Now, I know that you'll try to argue that Jesus CHANGED the laws concerning the killing of heathens. But that argument doesn't hold water. Nowhere did Jesus specifically speak to that that issue, and far more importantly Jesus did say that, "Till heaven and Earth pass not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law".

Well, since the original law of God was that we are to seek out heathen and kill them then that law too shall not pass from law even according to the teachings of Jesus.

So as an upstanding devout Christian, Hitler could easily "justify" the killing of the Jews using the Christian Holy Bible as his justification.

There would be nothing you could do about it but agree with him. Unless you wanted to challenge the word of Jesus saying that, "Till heaven and Earth pass not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law"

Because the original law of the God of Abraham was that we should seek out heathens and kill them, including their wives and Children.

Hitler could easily make a case that since the Jew reject Jesus as the only begotten son of God, they are then heathens.

In fact, you seem to be totally in agreement with Hitler on that point!

You seem to be implying that very thing all the time on these forums. You imply that everyone who refuses to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are rejecting God (i.e. they are a heathen)

So your very stance isn't all that much different from Hitlers.

The only difference is that you refuse to accept Jesus' words that not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law.

So you're not in disagreement with Hitler, you're in disagreement with Jesus!

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I personally like the hypothesis that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva. It does away with all the nasty things associated with the Old Testament.

One who has studied Karma knows that it is believed to be connected to reincarnation and the afterlife. An atheist and a Christian does not believe in "Karma." They might believe in something called the law of cause and effect or the law of consequences, but Karma is related to the afterlife and reincarnation.

A person who reeks havoc continually, a serial killer, etc. can rip through one lifetime and his Karma may never catch up to him before he dies. If there is no afterlife, then death is his salvation.

Life is often too short for "Karma" to catch some people.

Cowboy, you are very confused. On the one hand you said that nothing justifies killing another person.

Then on the other hand you claim that "judgement" (by god) is justified, and that God can instruct people to kill each other for what ever reason.

If you believe this, then you could easily be convinced that killing heathens and heretics is justified.

The catholic church did.

Some of the nicest Christians I have met have confessed that if God asked them to kill without mercy, men women and children as the army of Joshua did, that they would obey God.

That is very freaking scary. I have to conclude that people who think in this way are confused and/or brainwashed or completely insane.

i dont think karma starts in the afterlife though. The more you do, good or bad, the faster you reap what you sow....One major bad act, may catch up later--later, but one who continually reaps havoc will find their results much sooner and much stronger than the occasional offender.

I am not going to use the 'quote' feature because quite frankly when threads get this long its irritating to quote all that...

But I think it is Funny when it comes to good vs bad, christians, non organized religions, atheism...

the ten commandments---which is constantly being challenged. . lists nothing more than rules that help protect our members of society from the evil acts of man, but because they are listed within the bible people are so angst to rid them of any public building or area. Is it okay to murder? Covet your neighbors wife...and what not..

Displaying the ten "commandments" in a public building is not necessary.

A society has what the call LAWS.

It is illegal and immoral to murder. Everyone knows that.

As far as "covet your neighbors wife" that is a ridiculous rule or commandment to be placed in any public place because it is telling you what you can or cannot THINK and FEEL.

You ask... "Is is okay to murder or to covet your neighbors wife... "

The question is irrelevant, and it suggests that you think that since we do not allow the ten commandments to be displayed in a public courthouse that it IS OKAY to do these things.

Why anyone in their right mind would want to display the ten commandments in a public courthouse or public place makes no logical sense other than they want to preach their religion.

Simonedemidova


How do you know that? Is that just your opinion then?




How do you know that?

Yes Thiers Advantages tu unblief.

I don't believe in UFO's from another world. My faith says its false.. Helps me alot knowing what Unbelief is.. I need it to put things straight. Blessings..Miles

um, because i live on planet earth.....i dont walk through life with my head in the clouds wondering what fabric love is made out of. You may be surprised what one can learn through mere observation and study. How did one come to land on the moon...were we actually there. who told the first astronaut outer space would be safe....who knew all these invisible germs could actually be seen under a microscope? we can play this game all day---but all these scientist at one point, as did einstein, the wright brothers and countless other wonderful people---they took a leap of faith. A leap of discovery---but it started out with faith. I am not saying faith in a god, but faith in their passion, faith in their craft, faith in their science, perhaps some was faith in their God. . .I wonder who is smarter, one who sits back and observes what is actually happening....or one who runs around quoting all kinds of passages from random pieces of literature written by God knows who, and yet slams religious folk for the very same problem they suffer from...weird how karma is...

So then you make a statement but you really don't have anything to back it up with, and you won't admit that it is simply your opinion.

The above does not really come close to an answer to the question I asked, it is just rambling.

oh well you are allowed to ramble.

it is not an opinion, it is an observation, pay attention to what has been typed, you seem to be keen on written word.....i wrote it into existence just for you....

How do you know that a UFO is from another world? I mean, why would you assume that?

A "UFO" is an unidentified flying object. That means it is flying and it is unidentified. People see them all the time. You don't have to believe in them, I guess you can just ignore the reports.

Now, I ask you, what advantage do you derive by not believing that UFO's from another world exist?

Now let me ask you another question. You said your faith says its false. What does that mean? Where exactly does your faith say that there is no such thing as UFO's?

Now if you are talking about actual aliens from other planets or other worlds, then where exactly does you faith say that these don't exist?

Also if you use the Bible as a basis of your faith, how do you explain all of the reports in the Bible about angels, and things in the sky, and demons, and other things? Are these not "aliens?"

you stated that: "who continually reaps havoc will find their results much sooner and much stronger than the occasional offender. "


This is stated as a fact. You cannot know this as a fact unless you are all knowing and all seeing and have observed every single incident of every person who has ever continually reeked havoc.

One or two observations is not grounds for a conclusion like that to be stated as fact. Therefor it is your opinion.

its sad to be deaf and blind at the same time

If you are deaf and blind how can you claim that your opinion was an observation?

Very good, now lets put it in context. In the old testament, God was the judge. We've always been judged by the word of God. God told us an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. That was the law of the word, that's what judged us. Someone carrying out a judgment isn't the one doing the judging now is he/she? No. He/she's just the enforcer of the law.

And No Hitler couldn't have used the bible to support what he did. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant. He completed it, and gave us a new covenant between man and God. And in the new covenant there is no need for man to enforce the laws of God on other men. For now the word has become flesh and can carry out the judgment on his own.



Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

I'm not confused about anything my dear. Judgment and "killing" are two totally different things. And God would NEVER instruct anyone to carry out a judgment since the new covenant has been instilled between man and God. We are judged by the word. Jesus is the ONLY one that has the power to judge anyone. He will return one day for the world's judgment.

I must have missed something. Thus far, I have not yet read any advantages to unbelief.

Did I miss something? If so, can someone please post anything as to what these advantages are?

If not, as we have four pages, can we then summarize that there are no advantages to unbelief.

Well so far, the OP has not stated anything in regards to UNbelief. The Op has stated her BELIEF on what she deems to be correct and true. As follows each other poster has stated their own thoughts on what their beliefs are to be deemed and true to the best of their knowledge. Un-belief is not even a term that can be used properly in this thread, because even if you feel there is no God or being of the universe and your own body is your GOD then that in a sense all on it's own is actually what that poster BELIEVES to be true...not UNBELIEVES.